[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

The problem with the 'record sales' defense is people are buying more and more vehicles across the board. Lexus has had record sales. So did Audi, Porsche, etc. Even Volvo and Hyundai have announced record sales. I have a friend who works in finance at Toyota and he said it's insane! It's not something that individual car manufacturers have done in particular but that people are buying more cars the world over in general.

Actually this logic doesn't hold up... because market share-wise BMW has overtaken its competitors to become the #1 selling luxury brand. It's not simply because "more people are buying more cars".

Originally Posted by Tacoma

And that tells you something! If so many people are seeing smoke, the odds are there's a fire.

Frankly, I've gotten used the the looks already and now they're no longer fugly but still not good looking cars IMO. Also, from some angles, it's still fugly.

People have been seeing smoke for over a decade. So no.. it doesn't tell me shit. Only thing it tells me is that people love to complain regardless of what comes out.

[Emily172013]

Never considered SUVs when talking about BMWs. Thought that way since the 80's.

[NervoS]

Originally Posted by Emily172013

Never considered SUVs when talking about BMWs. Thought that way since the 80's.

Well.... BMW didn't have any SUVs in 80's. If I am not mistaken their first SUV is E53 from beginning of 2000s.
I love performance + luxury SUVs, a combo of utility, sport and luxury. BMW is a significant player on this market arena.

Now, we can say, "never considered trucks or minivans when talking about BMWs" Let see in 10+ years if it holds.