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      12-08-2008, 11:16 PM   #1
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Meguiar's VS the rest

To the detailers of e90post, have you guys tried Meguiar's products? More specifically, their polishing products (ie: M82, M80, M83, M105, etc). I always wonder why most of you guys don't go with the complete Meguiar's polishing products. I know some of you use maybe one or two mixed with other brands. Is it because Meguiar's products lack the quality or could not meet your expectation as well as other brands could (Menzerna, Poor Boys, Chemical Guys, etc)?

Just wondering...
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when it comes to polishes... we've yet to see anything from meg's that's as good as menzerna/3M stuff. menzerna SIP, 106FF/FA, PO203S and PO85RD go unmatched by meg's really. well you could say that 85RD is kind of under attack by 3M ultrafina since they're the same company now. but really, i've only seen M105 or M95 compete with power gloss because it finishes better
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The older Meg's pro polishes are ok, but they've slowly been replaced in my arsenal by newer more efficient stuff from Menzerna/3M. That said, M105 is pretty much the only compound I use to cut right now; nothing from 3M/Menz comes close in terms of cut/finish. M95 is ok. M205 looks like it's going to be a real hit.
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Meguiar's #83 and #80 were my first polish duo. With the two and a combination of pads, I corrected paint just fine for over 2 years before I felt the need to look into different polishes. None the less, better, more efficient polishes started appearing on the detail scene and they soon took a back seat to Menzerna, Optimum, Presta, and 3M. Its not that Meguiar's polishes are bad, its just that other product lines are better.
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I have M105 is my arsenal for really bad paint correction jobs and then I finish with 106 or Ultrafina. I also have M83, sometimes Menzerna is finicky with temperature and humidity.

I use Meguiar's, Optimum and Menzerna Polishes each has a place in my detailing arsenal. I don't need anything else.
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To the detailers of e90post, have you guys tried Meguiar's products? More specifically, their polishing products (ie: M82, M80, M83, M105, etc). I always wonder why most of you guys don't go with the complete Meguiar's polishing products. I know some of you use maybe one or two mixed with other brands. Is it because Meguiar's products lack the quality or could not meet your expectation as well as other brands could (Menzerna, Poor Boys, Chemical Guys, etc)?

Just wondering...
As far as polish, M105 is king for deep swirls and finish like fine polish.
Not sure what they put in there(my wild speculation is clorine since it's not oil base), it seems soften the clear coat during polish.
Maybe they got the idea from black-smith, metal is heated before pounding to form. It's many times easier than doing it to cold piece of metal.

But I use Menz PO106FF & PO85RD for medium-fine polishing.

I don't thing you should limit yourself to 1 brand for every polish needs. I think that's true for other stuff as well.
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There are a number of compounds that use chemicals to soften paint before cutting, they are called "levelers". All the hi-temp levelers do this, so it wouldn't be surprising if M105 did the same. My understanding was that it didn't do this, but used "advanced abrasives" that start off very hard and break down extremely fast to achieve it's cut.
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I don't thing you should limit yourself to 1 brand for every polish needs. I think that's true for other stuff as well.

But if I mix and match, wouldn't i be messing up the cut level (strength) that different company has?
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But if I mix and match, wouldn't i be messing up the cut level (strength) that different company has?
Not necessarily. As you polish more and use different abrasives, you tend to assign your own cut level, despite what the company says on the bottle. with that you are able to make your own determination on what the paint would benefit from.

For example, one would assume that Optimum's Hyper Compound has a very strong bite and should only be used on bad finishes based on the description on the bottle. What you would soon learn is that it is no where near as abrasive and is only but a tear drop more aggressive than Menzerna SIP but way below Menzerna's Powergloss.

Hope I'm not confusing you.
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speaking of this i need to order more M95... i ran out last weekend!

M95 is my favorite compound. i can't seem to get the hang of M105, so i think ill just stick with M95. i might get a sample of M205 to see if its better.

however if i need to cut a LOT, nothing cuts more, IMO, than Menz powergloss
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But if I mix and match, wouldn't i be messing up the cut level (strength) that different company has?
Joyride gave you good answer already but I'd like to add afew things.

The level of cut determine by many factors:
1) type of machine, DA or rotary
2) Pads, wool or foam (even foam has different cut level)
3) pressure, contact surface etc
4) speed of machine
5) some how, ambient temprature seems to affect cut
as you can see many factors then just polish alone, so switching brand wouldn't be that much of concern.

The other think, polishing is like cooking you want to match the technique with recipe. I suggest stick with what the masses have done successfully, unless you want to experiement on new polish or technique.
Read the forums often, and gather what consistently work for different people.
And if you can buy things in small quantities for the first time. Also try on small area any new polish or technique and check the result carefully.

Have fun, it's not rocket science.
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speaking of this i need to order more M95... i ran out last weekend!

M95 is my favorite compound. i can't seem to get the hang of M105, so i think ill just stick with M95. i might get a sample of M205 to see if its better.

however if i need to cut a LOT, nothing cuts more, IMO, than Menz powergloss
No luck on 105, eh? You should keep trying; it puts PG to shame when you can get it to really cut. I like 95 too, but only on hard paint; too much halogramming otherwise. M205 is going to be lighter on cut than M105, I think.
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