[MB London]

Has anyone had a remap by Evolution Chips? I am keen to get a new map for my e90 335i and the team to use (at least according to this forum) is evolve. I have spoke to Imran at Evolve and he clearly knows hi sh*t and I would feel very comfortable with the Evolve crew working on my car. However, I have also spoken to a very knowledgeable person at a garage called Evolution Chips, he also claims to have mapped a lot of 335i and has had great results. Does anyone have any feedback on this?

[willhollin]

Never heard of Evolution Chips.

[Hotcoupe]

Originally Posted by willhollin

Never heard of Evolution Chips.

http://www.evolutionchips.co.uk/index.html

MB, I'm sure Imran @ Evolve will match their price,they are forum sponsors and the results achieved speak for themselves

I've not heard of anyone using Evolution chips, so can not comment on their results, but I would only use companies based on others experiences.

[doughboy]

You get what you pay for with maps. These guys are diesel specialists, my gran could chip a diesel for a few more hp - not well, but it wouldn't blow up.

335i is a proper performance motor already, not some restricted cast iron diesel thumper. You've got a lot to lose and its easy to lose it when petrol turbo's are mapped wrongly.

Firms that make maps then sell through re-sellers are always a bit didgy IMO.

Go for Evolve / DMS pay the extra and get personal service at the developers premises.

You've bought a failry low volume car, even lower numbers will be chipping them so you won't get GOOD maps at mass market VAG TDi type prices.

[Imran@Evolve]

I wouldn't match their very low price £359!!

With the figures they are quoting 40 BHP/70Nm Torque you are better off getting a tried and tested SSTT.

If you are serious about using anyone ask them for previous customer references you can actually talk to and ask for dyno graphs of various 335i's they have done.

[Zk1]

Evolution fish and chips more like

[doughboy]

Originally Posted by Zk1

Evolution fish and chips more like

LOL

I just re-read the title and was gonna add a fish and chips comment!

Salt & Vinegar in the turbo sir?

[trixman]

As you can see from my sig, I run the Evolve tune and although never met the guys (bought the car with it on) the map is good and the car runs great.

For the peace of mind, I'd go with a reputable map and dealer.

[M5 TT]

Stu at Evolution has been in the business for over 20 years and is very very good. He is a legend with the cossies. I can assure you he is more than reputable. He even writes articles for performance ford mag on a regular basis. So if you decide not to go with Evolve for what ever reason you wont go far wrong with Stu

Spelling quite bad when ive had a few LOL

[dxb335d]

If you mean Stu @ MSD he is a fackin legend.

[MB London]

Have done a google on this Stu Sanderson and he clearly seems to a be Lege in the game

[MB London]

Originally Posted by Imran@Evolve

I wouldn't match their very low price £359!!

With the figures they are quoting 40 BHP/70Nm Torque you are better off getting a tried and tested SSTT.

If you are serious about using anyone ask them for previous customer references you can actually talk to and ask for dyno graphs of various 335i's they have done.

Had a decent chat with a bloke from CA auto and he told me something pretty interesting – Apparently the 335i engine was designed by Alpina for one of their projects, however BMW ended up buying it from them and using it themselves. He went on to say that – BMW wanted to keep costs down so they fitted slightly inferior pistons to the engine. Because of this, he thinks it is unsafe to increase power by more than 35/40 bhp. Certainly not looking for a war of words here but would be keen to get you thoughts on this

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by MB London

Had a decent chat with a bloke from CA auto and he told me something pretty interesting – Apparently the 335i engine was designed by Alpina for one of their projects, however BMW ended up buying it from them and using it themselves. He went on to say that – BMW wanted to keep costs down so they fitted slightly inferior pistons to the engine. Because of this, he thinks it is unsafe to increase power by more than 35/40 bhp. Certainly not looking for a war of words here but would be keen to get you thoughts on this

Strange that, plenty of US cars running over 500bhp now which is nearly a 200bhp increase.

Nnot heard of any melting pistons yet.

[Zk1]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Strange that, plenty of US cars running over 500bhp now which is nearly a 200bhp increase.

Nnot heard of any melting pistons yet.

500bhp !!! wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by MB London

Had a decent chat with a bloke from CA auto and he told me something pretty interesting – Apparently the 335i engine was designed by Alpina for one of their projects, however BMW ended up buying it from them and using it themselves. He went on to say that – BMW wanted to keep costs down so they fitted slightly inferior pistons to the engine. Because of this, he thinks it is unsafe to increase power by more than 35/40 bhp. Certainly not looking for a war of words here but would be keen to get you thoughts on this

Those guys at CA Automotive make me laugh I don't want to get involved too much in this, as I tend to tread softly for fear of 'tuner wars'... so must resist... must... ooooh.... ok, can't...

Hmmm... how shall I put this?? All I'll say is that there are some companies out there who like the sound of their 'voice' too much, and will say anything, and really anything, to make themselves sound knowledgable and to promote what they're doing as being righteous and 'the best'...

Fact - the last engine that BMW partially borrowed from Alpina was the 4.8is V8 engine in the old X5... and definitely not a twin-turbo 3.0l straight six

As for the pistons, well the pistons in the 335i engine are made by Mahle... same as those on the Alpina B3 engine. However, Alpina have chosen a slightly different piston in order to lower the compression ratio ever so slightly. The standard 335i piston is being used very successfully in engines producing way into the 450bhp region, and even close to 500bhp.

Bottom line - fret ye not... I'd be less worried about the piston, and more worried about cooling issues (oil cooler in particular) in the event the engine is remapped for considerably more power. And I would definitely be wary of dealing with people who seem to know rather less than they should about this particular engine. Or, in other words, I would go to a tuning company who really do perform their own work, and stand by it. There are one or two operators out there still using 'old' generic maps bought in from certain companies in Germany or Italy.

Believe me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to tuning this engine, and I strongly suggest going with one of the three main players - Evolve, DMS, or Birds (Dinan)

[MB London]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

Those guys at CA Automotive make me laugh I don't want to get involved too much in this, as I tend to tread softly for fear of 'tuner wars'... so must resist... must... ooooh.... ok, can't...

Hmmm... how shall I put this?? All I'll say is that there are some companies out there who like the sound of their 'voice' too much, and will say anything, and really anything, to make themselves sound knowledgable and to promote what they're doing as being righteous and 'the best'...

Fact - the last engine that BMW partially borrowed from Alpina was the 4.8is V8 engine in the old X5... and definitely not a twin-turbo 3.0l straight six

As for the pistons, well the pistons in the 335i engine are made by Mahle... same as those on the Alpina B3 engine. However, Alpina have chosen a slightly different piston in order to lower the compression ratio ever so slightly. The standard 335i piston is being used very successfully in engines producing way into the 450bhp region, and even close to 500bhp.

Bottom line - fret ye not... I'd be less worried about the piston, and more worried about cooling issues (oil cooler in particular) in the event the engine is remapped for considerably more power. And I would definitely be wary of dealing with people who seem to know rather less than they should about this particular engine. Or, in other words, I would go to a tuning company who really do perform their own work, and stand by it. There are one or two operators out there still using 'old' generic maps bought in from certain companies in Germany or Italy.

Believe me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to tuning this engine, and I strongly suggest going with one of the three main players - Evolve, DMS, or Birds (Dinan)

Wise words Mate, Thanks