non-ZSP to ZSP E92 seat upgrade gotcha!

Slidewayz · 05-02-2009, 02:20 PM

Physically swapping the non-ZSP to ZSP seats is dead simple for one (reasonably strong) person.

However, IF you do NOT have the ZPP package, neither the seatback control nor the bolster control will work. The seat will move forwards/backwards and up/down, but without being able to adjust the seatback so can tilt back...

The best information I have at the moment is that the control module needs to be re-programmed. Further, this does not appear to be a totally straightforward thing to do. I have also been told it is necessary to have the 'vehicle order' code from the ZSP car the seats came out of in order to successfully reprogram the control module.

The vehicle order code is comprised of 3 sets of numbers:
SA - Optional Equipment
GM - Basic Features
VN - Version Number

Paying someone to reprogram the control module will add hundreds of dollars to the cost of a swap.

It is indeterminate whether or not this will work, or if the wiring harness will also need to be changed.

Slidewayz · 05-03-2009, 09:14 PM

Update. It helps if the bloody plug for the seatback motor is plugged in.

The side bolsters still don't work, though.

So, you get everything but the side bolster control when you swap out the seats.

UdubBadger · 05-28-2009, 04:08 PM

so wait, explain this again. I have non zsp seats, and don't have zpp either. Will I be able to use ZSP seats without having something reprogrammed or is it a must? Do non ZPP cars even have the plugs needed to power the seats or is that something else i need to buy? I wouldn't even care if 1/2 the stuff didn't work, I just want tilt up/down and slide back/front along with the side airbags.

Also FYI there is a DIY on the ZSP seats for the side bolsters and how to hardwire them in here : http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229396

Ph0zenstone · 05-28-2009, 06:15 PM

+1 I don't have Sport or Power seats, was wondering if powered sport seats would be plug and play? Is the wire for power seats pre-wired like the alarm?

UdubBadger · 05-28-2009, 09:48 PM

do you have heated seats? I have non powered but heated and found out even if its not prewired you'll most likely be able to tap in since the heaters need power. I'll let you know when I get mine and have to go through it... placed my order today for some SWEEEEEEET lookin seats.

Ph0zenstone · 05-28-2009, 10:06 PM

i dun have heated either....let me know how it goes. btw where'd u order your seats? and can u pm me how much u paid?

UdubBadger · 05-28-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phozenstone

i dun have heated either....let me know how it goes. btw where'd u order your seats? and can u pm me how much u paid?

ya I'll pm you.

Kev · 05-28-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UdubBadger

do you have heated seats? I have non powered but heated and found out even if its not prewired you'll most likely be able to tap in since the heaters need power. I'll let you know when I get mine and have to go through it... placed my order today for some SWEEEEEEET lookin seats.

Good luck with the swap and looks like this thread solved some of your troubles

SGxi · 05-28-2009, 10:51 PM

Someone installed ZSP seats onto a non ZSP equipped car awhile ago. Forgot the username but his car is a E90 335i in barbera red.

UdubBadger · 05-28-2009, 10:54 PM

Thanks Kev

Yeah I think I've got it figured out... my body shop guy said he's friends with a fe BMW techs so he'll contact them if he needs assistance with the wiring.

Ph0zenstone · 05-28-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGxi

Someone installed ZSP seats onto a non ZSP equipped car awhile ago. Forgot the username but his car is a E90 335i in barbera red.

link?

MyE92 · 05-28-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGxi

Someone installed ZSP seats onto a non ZSP equipped car awhile ago. Forgot the username but his car is a E90 335i in barbera red.

That was Scott (Bimmer335i07)

SGxi · 05-28-2009, 11:01 PM

Yes sir! His DIY:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243438

UdubBadger · 05-28-2009, 11:28 PM

no thats not right... he had heat/power to begin with. Says it right on the 1st line of the thread

langlord · 06-21-2009, 08:31 AM

I have just tried doing this having bought some sport seats but none of the controls work which I dont understand as although my old seats did not have heat or lumbar or moving the seats back and forward they do have electric tilt and lift.

However none of this works now so it looks like I am going to have to sell the seats now havign only just bought them.

totally gutted.

Fugly M3 · 06-21-2009, 02:50 PM

hey, I was looking more into this myself for my 1er today, here's what I had and what I did- stock seats- non-sport, manual, no heat no lumbar, no power etc- swapped in two leatherette sport seats- no heat no power etc- that worked fine, airbag sensors work jut fine, no codes, except the power side bolsters do not work. realoem shows that it's supposedly just an adapter wire needed for the bolsters/lumbar and thats like $12 per side but I don't want to buy them if they wont work and I was hoping someone maybe had the wiring diagram to provide more info

ps- I also had Tom at eas code the car for sport seats, don't know if that makes a difference

05-02-2009, 02:20 PM	#1
Slidewayz Major 37 Rep 1,177 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland, CA iTrader: (5)	non-ZSP to ZSP E92 seat upgrade gotcha! Physically swapping the non-ZSP to ZSP seats is dead simple for one (reasonably strong) person. However, IF you do NOT have the ZPP package, neither the seatback control nor the bolster control will work. The seat will move forwards/backwards and up/down, but without being able to adjust the seatback so can tilt back... The best information I have at the moment is that the control module needs to be re-programmed. Further, this does not appear to be a totally straightforward thing to do. I have also been told it is necessary to have the 'vehicle order' code from the ZSP car the seats came out of in order to successfully reprogram the control module. The vehicle order code is comprised of 3 sets of numbers: SA - Optional Equipment GM - Basic Features VN - Version Number Paying someone to reprogram the control module will add hundreds of dollars to the cost of a swap. It is indeterminate whether or not this will work, or if the wiring harness will also need to be changed.
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05-03-2009, 09:14 PM	#2
Slidewayz Major 37 Rep 1,177 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland, CA iTrader: (5)	Update. It helps if the bloody plug for the seatback motor is plugged in. The side bolsters still don't work, though. So, you get everything but the side bolster control when you swap out the seats.
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05-28-2009, 04:08 PM	#3
UdubBadger Banned 648 Rep 24,685 Posts Drives: '04 330i ZHP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Burbs iTrader: (22) Garage List 2004 BMW 330i ZHP [9.50] 2011 135i [7.46] 2008 328xi [8.76]	so wait, explain this again. I have non zsp seats, and don't have zpp either. Will I be able to use ZSP seats without having something reprogrammed or is it a must? Do non ZPP cars even have the plugs needed to power the seats or is that something else i need to buy? I wouldn't even care if 1/2 the stuff didn't work, I just want tilt up/down and slide back/front along with the side airbags. Also FYI there is a DIY on the ZSP seats for the side bolsters and how to hardwire them in here : http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229396
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05-28-2009, 06:15 PM	#4
Ph0zenstone Major General 335 Rep 5,370 Posts Drives: 2018 530e X-Drive Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY iTrader: (74)	+1 I don't have Sport or Power seats, was wondering if powered sport seats would be plug and play? Is the wire for power seats pre-wired like the alarm?
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UdubBadger Banned 648 Rep 24,685 Posts Drives: '04 330i ZHP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Burbs iTrader: (22) Garage List 2004 BMW 330i ZHP [9.50] 2011 135i [7.46] 2008 328xi [8.76]	do you have heated seats? I have non powered but heated and found out even if its not prewired you'll most likely be able to tap in since the heaters need power. I'll let you know when I get mine and have to go through it... placed my order today for some SWEEEEEEET lookin seats.
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Ph0zenstone Major General 335 Rep 5,370 Posts Drives: 2018 530e X-Drive Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY iTrader: (74)	i dun have heated either....let me know how it goes. btw where'd u order your seats? and can u pm me how much u paid?
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05-28-2009, 10:51 PM	#9
SGxi Major General 165 Rep 6,804 Posts Drives: E90 328xi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (17) Garage List 2007 328xi [0.00]	Someone installed ZSP seats onto a non ZSP equipped car awhile ago. Forgot the username but his car is a E90 335i in barbera red. __________________ MY07 A22 E90 N52Nxi
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05-28-2009, 11:01 PM	#13
SGxi Major General 165 Rep 6,804 Posts Drives: E90 328xi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (17) Garage List 2007 328xi [0.00]	Yes sir! His DIY: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243438 __________________ MY07 A22 E90 N52Nxi
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UdubBadger Banned 648 Rep 24,685 Posts Drives: '04 330i ZHP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chicago Burbs iTrader: (22) Garage List 2004 BMW 330i ZHP [9.50] 2011 135i [7.46] 2008 328xi [8.76]	no thats not right... he had heat/power to begin with. Says it right on the 1st line of the thread
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06-21-2009, 08:31 AM	#15
langlord Private 4 Rep 72 Posts Drives: E92 320 se Join Date: May 2009 Location: london iTrader: (0)	I have just tried doing this having bought some sport seats but none of the controls work which I dont understand as although my old seats did not have heat or lumbar or moving the seats back and forward they do have electric tilt and lift. However none of this works now so it looks like I am going to have to sell the seats now havign only just bought them. totally gutted.
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Fugly M3 Major General 5852 Rep 5,358 Posts Drives: 2023 M3CX Join Date: May 2006 Location: SoCal iTrader: (5)	hey, I was looking more into this myself for my 1er today, here's what I had and what I did- stock seats- non-sport, manual, no heat no lumbar, no power etc- swapped in two leatherette sport seats- no heat no power etc- that worked fine, airbag sensors work jut fine, no codes, except the power side bolsters do not work. realoem shows that it's supposedly just an adapter wire needed for the bolsters/lumbar and thats like $12 per side but I don't want to buy them if they wont work and I was hoping someone maybe had the wiring diagram to provide more info ps- I also had Tom at eas code the car for sport seats, don't know if that makes a difference
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