Tire rotation

ages944 · 11-14-2006, 11:47 PM

The most irritating thing is that BMW actually does not reccommend rotating tires. I called them up when my dealer wanted to charge me to rotate my piece of shite tires. (BMW allows a crap and defective product to go on my car, and then I have to pay for a procedure they don't even reccommend?!) F-THAT.

My question is what the hell is the point of getting these Bridgestones replaced at all? I mean, why replace one piece of garbage with a new piece of garbage? Can a new set be expected to work any better than the old ones?

hunt55 · 11-15-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rotts4u

I took my car to the BMW dealer as they seemed very interested and was familiar with the problem. They kept the car today with 14616 on the Odometer and after day in their care they advised that BMW was offering me 50% trade on all 4 tires to their new tire. The dealer ask me to wait a few days so they could talk to their BMW rep and see if the offer could be raised up from 50%.

I called my local Firestone dealer that I have dealt with for years and he knew nothing about an issue with the tires and could only inspect and call corp to see what they would do. I have not tried that route yet as I am waiting on BMW first

Don

Keep following up. At least your dealer was willing to offer 50/50. But I did have 21K when I took it into the dealer. I ended up paying for one tire at 22K. I prefer working with Bridgestone/Firestone directly due to the warranty issue and they have different air pressure and rotation specs. than BMW which appear more accurate for tires.

You will need an alignment with the new tires so see if BMW will take care of that. I had to pay for mine ($150 in Maryland) and that is the last issue I have to settle with BMW.

Hunt55

hunt55 · 11-15-2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ages944

The most irritating thing is that BMW actually does not reccommend rotating tires. I called them up when my dealer wanted to charge me to rotate my piece of shite tires. (BMW allows a crap and defective product to go on my car, and then I have to pay for a procedure they don't even reccommend?!) F-THAT.

My question is what the hell is the point of getting these Bridgestones replaced at all? I mean, why replace one piece of garbage with a new piece of garbage? Can a new set be expected to work any better than the old ones?

I concur with you 200%. BMW position on these tires is ridiculous. I have a wait and see attitude on the replacement tires.

rotts4u · 11-23-2006, 09:22 PM

I am still waiting at this point. My dealer met with the BMW rep and they said they are trying to get more than a 50-50% deal for me. If they dont I will go to Bridgestone and see what they offer me

Don

rotts4u · 12-28-2006, 08:40 PM

After about 6 weeks total time the dealer got BMW to do a 100% replacement of all 4 tires with 16500 miles. Then even did the service early for me to save a visit back to the dealer

Nice job BMW of Chattanooga

hunt55 · 01-01-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rotts4u

After about 6 weeks total time the dealer got BMW to do a 100% replacement of all 4 tires with 16500 miles. Then even did the service early for me to save a visit back to the dealer

Nice job BMW of Chattanooga

Good deal with 16K miles. Make sure you get the car aligned by BMW.

Lassaxi · 01-02-2007, 01:48 PM

I read an article about the whole issue of why BMW does not recommend tire rotation. The deal, which I'm suer everyone understands by now, is that each tire wears slightly differently, and once the tires are worn in, they will handle and grip better than they will when the are new (or freshly rotated). Apparently, it makes a rather small difference in overall handling, but one that is noticeable in a performance car.

That said, BMW isn't going to pay for your tires if they wear out prematurely if you don't rotate them. So, for a relatively small loss of performance, you can help your tires last longer by rotating them.

Here's a question I have though: Is there any reason to have a BMW dealer do an alignment, versus a reputable tire shop? Seems like $150 is an awful lot of money to spend on an alignment, which is a pretty simple task.

hunt55 · 01-03-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lassaxi

I read an article about the whole issue of why BMW does not recommend tire rotation. The deal, which I'm suer everyone understands by now, is that each tire wears slightly differently, and once the tires are worn in, they will handle and grip better than they will when the are new (or freshly rotated). Apparently, it makes a rather small difference in overall handling, but one that is noticeable in a performance car.

That said, BMW isn't going to pay for your tires if they wear out prematurely if you don't rotate them. So, for a relatively small loss of performance, you can help your tires last longer by rotating them.

Here's a question I have though: Is there any reason to have a BMW dealer do an alignment, versus a reputable tire shop? Seems like $150 is an awful lot of money to spend on an alignment, which is a pretty simple task.

If you can find a tire shop willing to try to align the E90. The Firestone/Bridgestone dealer who replaced my tires for Bridgestone due to the feathering issue explained they will not align a BMW and referred me back to my dealer. Something about BMW uses sandbags to align the car and the exact specs. of BMW and suggested I get a before and after printout. The before and after printout was very interesting when the dealer aligned my car with new tires.

cruizin01 · 01-03-2007, 11:08 PM

Our dealership has many issues and complaint with the bridgestones. Our dealership usually gets the rep to cover the replacement if they have somewhat low mileage on them. We have replaced some with continentals and they seem to be less prone to cupping.

I personally dont think aligning the cars afterwards has anything to do with the fix for tires cupping. I think its the factory specs and the lack of rotation that causes the tires to cup. The performance oriented alignments dont work well with the way most bmw owners drive their cars. just my $.02

Call your service manager explain your concerns. Have them talk to their area rep. I dont think we ever refer out customers to the tire manufactures.

hunt55 · 01-04-2007, 07:52 AM

I personally dont think aligning the cars afterwards has anything to do with the fix for tires cupping. I think its the factory specs and the lack of rotation that causes the tires to cup. The performance oriented alignments dont work well with the way most bmw owners drive their cars. just my $.02

Call your service manager explain your concerns. Have them talk to their area rep. I dont think we ever refer out customers to the tire manufactures.[/QUOTE]

Maybe because of the pot holes in the DC/MD area, but the dealer recommended an alignment and stated it on the repair receipt after initially inspecting the Bridgestones and determining they were feathering. Also, Bridgestone suggested an alignment after replacing the tires. Based on the before and after printout, the car was out of alignment but as you noted the misalignment did not match up with the tire wear from feathering. Bridgestone did recommend upping the tire pressure above what is stated in the door frame of the car.

I am glad you do not refer owners to the tire manufacturer. That is what should happen on OEM tires but in my case both the dealer and BMW NA were of no help and BMWNA referred me to Bridgestone. However, Bridgestone was very helpful with replacing the tires and they now check the tires every 5-6K miles.

BMW0 · 01-04-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Asiann

If you rebalance, always good to get the alignment checked as well since that will affect tire wear as well. Better to do it all at once.

Your absolutely right Asiann. Could'nt of said it better my self

11-14-2006, 11:47 PM	#23
ages944 Captain 99 Rep 990 Posts Drives: E90 325i Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago 'burbs iTrader: (0)	The most irritating thing is that BMW actually does not reccommend rotating tires. I called them up when my dealer wanted to charge me to rotate my piece of shite tires. (BMW allows a crap and defective product to go on my car, and then I have to pay for a procedure they don't even reccommend?!) F-THAT. My question is what the hell is the point of getting these Bridgestones replaced at all? I mean, why replace one piece of garbage with a new piece of garbage? Can a new set be expected to work any better than the old ones? __________________ BMW : Sine qua non Mods: Blacklines \| Rear Seat Power Outlets \| Rear Fog Lights \| Ashtray Garage Door Opener
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rotts4u Private First Class 8 Rep 104 Posts Drives: Audi A3 TDI Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: chattanooga, TN iTrader: (0)	I am still waiting at this point. My dealer met with the BMW rep and they said they are trying to get more than a 50-50% deal for me. If they dont I will go to Bridgestone and see what they offer me Don
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rotts4u Private First Class 8 Rep 104 Posts Drives: Audi A3 TDI Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: chattanooga, TN iTrader: (0)	After about 6 weeks total time the dealer got BMW to do a 100% replacement of all 4 tires with 16500 miles. Then even did the service early for me to save a visit back to the dealer Nice job BMW of Chattanooga
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01-02-2007, 01:48 PM	#29
Lassaxi Major 10 Rep 1,035 Posts Drives: April ED - E90 328xi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	I read an article about the whole issue of why BMW does not recommend tire rotation. The deal, which I'm suer everyone understands by now, is that each tire wears slightly differently, and once the tires are worn in, they will handle and grip better than they will when the are new (or freshly rotated). Apparently, it makes a rather small difference in overall handling, but one that is noticeable in a performance car. That said, BMW isn't going to pay for your tires if they wear out prematurely if you don't rotate them. So, for a relatively small loss of performance, you can help your tires last longer by rotating them. Here's a question I have though: Is there any reason to have a BMW dealer do an alignment, versus a reputable tire shop? Seems like $150 is an awful lot of money to spend on an alignment, which is a pretty simple task.
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cruizin01 Private First Class 15 Rep 106 Posts Drives: 07 BMW Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio iTrader: (3)	Our dealership has many issues and complaint with the bridgestones. Our dealership usually gets the rep to cover the replacement if they have somewhat low mileage on them. We have replaced some with continentals and they seem to be less prone to cupping. I personally dont think aligning the cars afterwards has anything to do with the fix for tires cupping. I think its the factory specs and the lack of rotation that causes the tires to cup. The performance oriented alignments dont work well with the way most bmw owners drive their cars. just my $.02 Call your service manager explain your concerns. Have them talk to their area rep. I dont think we ever refer out customers to the tire manufactures.
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hunt55 Second Lieutenant 2 Rep 210 Posts Drives: 325i Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	I personally dont think aligning the cars afterwards has anything to do with the fix for tires cupping. I think its the factory specs and the lack of rotation that causes the tires to cup. The performance oriented alignments dont work well with the way most bmw owners drive their cars. just my $.02 Call your service manager explain your concerns. Have them talk to their area rep. I dont think we ever refer out customers to the tire manufactures.[/QUOTE] Maybe because of the pot holes in the DC/MD area, but the dealer recommended an alignment and stated it on the repair receipt after initially inspecting the Bridgestones and determining they were feathering. Also, Bridgestone suggested an alignment after replacing the tires. Based on the before and after printout, the car was out of alignment but as you noted the misalignment did not match up with the tire wear from feathering. Bridgestone did recommend upping the tire pressure above what is stated in the door frame of the car. I am glad you do not refer owners to the tire manufacturer. That is what should happen on OEM tires but in my case both the dealer and BMW NA were of no help and BMWNA referred me to Bridgestone. However, Bridgestone was very helpful with replacing the tires and they now check the tires every 5-6K miles.
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