[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

Never mind the increased risk of cancer, the prevalance of phimosis, paraphimosis and balanitis among dicks with turtleneck sweaters.

Doug, I bet you wear a turtleneck sweater.

You're a moron.

Take a hike.

[seafoodmix]

men dont mind saying whether they are roundheads or cavaliers but is a woman gonna admit to having beef curtains that flap in the wind no.

[TurboFan]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

You're a moron.

Take a hike.

Aww doug, did we hit a little close to home? Now you won't acknowledge what science proves, that circumcision is good for mens health? Hypocrite.

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

Aww doug, did we hit a little close to home? Now you won't acknowledge what science proves, that circumcision is good for mens health? Hypocrite.

No actually it is not, you're attempting to use scenarios which occur once in a blue moon. Do you even know what a baby goes through during circumcision? Do you know of the complications that can arise from circumcision? There are no benefits to circumcision. It is unecessary, unnatural, and puts the baby through a lot of pain and stress.

Obviously not, because you turn a blind eye to the facts and reality. Just like you are with religion, because you're a fucking idiot.

I wish retards like you would stop pissing in our gene pool.

[Stelyos]

direct from the new england journal of medicine:

Background Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection among men in three clinical trials. We assessed the efficacy of male circumcision for the prevention of herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) and human papillomavirus (HPV) infections and syphilis in HIV-negative adolescent boys and men.

Methods We enrolled 5534 HIV-negative, uncircumcised male subjects between the ages of 15 and 49 years in two trials of male circumcision for the prevention of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections. Of these subjects, 3393 (61.3%) were HSV-2–seronegative at enrollment. Of the seronegative subjects, 1684 had been randomly assigned to undergo immediate circumcision (intervention group) and 1709 to undergo circumcision after 24 months (control group). At baseline and at 6, 12, and 24 months, we tested subjects for HSV-2 and HIV infection and syphilis, along with performing physical examinations and conducting interviews. In addition, we evaluated a subgroup of subjects for HPV infection at baseline and at 24 months.

Results At 24 months, the cumulative probability of HSV-2 seroconversion was 7.8% in the intervention group and 10.3% in the control group (adjusted hazard ratio in the intervention group, 0.72; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.56 to 0.92; P=0.008). The prevalence of high-risk HPV genotypes was 18.0% in the intervention group and 27.9% in the control group (adjusted risk ratio, 0.65; 95% CI, 0.46 to 0.90; P=0.009). However, no significant difference between the two study groups was observed in the incidence of syphilis (adjusted hazard ratio, 1.10; 95% CI, 0.75 to 1.65; P=0.44).

Conclusions In addition to decreasing the incidence of HIV infection, male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of HSV-2 infection and the prevalence of HPV infection, findings that underscore the potential public health benefits of the procedure. (ClinicalTrials.gov numbers, NCT00425984 [ClinicalTrials.gov] and NCT00124878 [ClinicalTrials.gov] .)

[ideliver]

Originally Posted by Stelyos

direct from the new england journal of medicine:

Background Male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection among men in three clinical trials. We assessed the efficacy of male circumcision for the prevention of herpes simplex virus type 2 (HSV-2) and human papillomavirus (HPV) infections and syphilis in HIV-negative adolescent boys and men.

Methods We enrolled 5534 HIV-negative, uncircumcised male subjects between the ages of 15 and 49 years in two trials of male circumcision for the prevention of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections. Of these subjects, 3393 (61.3%) were HSV-2–seronegative at enrollment. Of the seronegative subjects, 1684 had been randomly assigned to undergo immediate circumcision (intervention group) and 1709 to undergo circumcision after 24 months (control group). At baseline and at 6, 12, and 24 months, we tested subjects for HSV-2 and HIV infection and syphilis, along with performing physical examinations and conducting interviews. In addition, we evaluated a subgroup of subjects for HPV infection at baseline and at 24 months.

Results At 24 months, the cumulative probability of HSV-2 seroconversion was 7.8% in the intervention group and 10.3% in the control group (adjusted hazard ratio in the intervention group, 0.72; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.56 to 0.92; P=0.008). The prevalence of high-risk HPV genotypes was 18.0% in the intervention group and 27.9% in the control group (adjusted risk ratio, 0.65; 95% CI, 0.46 to 0.90; P=0.009). However, no significant difference between the two study groups was observed in the incidence of syphilis (adjusted hazard ratio, 1.10; 95% CI, 0.75 to 1.65; P=0.44).

Conclusions In addition to decreasing the incidence of HIV infection, male circumcision significantly reduced the incidence of HSV-2 infection and the prevalence of HPV infection, findings that underscore the potential public health benefits of the procedure. (ClinicalTrials.gov numbers, NCT00425984 [ClinicalTrials.gov] and NCT00124878 [ClinicalTrials.gov] .)

If I ever move to Uganda (that's where the study occurred) I will keep that in mind.

However, the same arguement applies to other organs...lets remove women's breast, uteri and ovaries while we are at...clearly there are 180,000/35,000/22,000 cases of invasive cancer in those organs respectively...

The arguement is about automony of the infant...

[BMdblU]

Originally Posted by ideliver

If you NEVER saw anything else...you wouldn't know any different...besides...men that are "uncut" last longer...

The only two groups in the world that routinely circumcise are jews and muslims...

Whether you believe in science (evolution) or religion (creationism) both of these have given us foreskin...who the hell am I to say that God or evolution is wrong and needs ME to immediately fix it...

But...since I get $150 to $200 for 5 minutes of my time..and since the world if full of women with identical opinions as yours...I talk til I am blue in the face...and then the have me circ the little guy...

Not sure where you get that from. Men that are circumcised are de sensitized due to it being exposed. Your theory is the other way around.

[TurboFan]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

No actually it is not, you're attempting to use scenarios which occur once in a blue moon. Do you even know what a baby goes through during circumcision? Do you know of the complications that can arise from circumcision? There are no benefits to circumcision. It is unecessary, unnatural, and puts the baby through a lot of pain and stress.

Obviously not, because you turn a blind eye to the facts and reality. Just like you are with religion, because you're a fucking idiot.

I wish retards like you would stop pissing in our gene pool.

Doug, professing your ignorance once again. Pick up a medical journal on the subject, read it, then delete your post.

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

Doug, professing your ignorance once again. Pick up a medical journal on the subject, read it, then delete your post.

Ah, the irony.

Interesting Penn & Teller vids on the subject:

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http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/gmas/
From Fathermag link above:

"Circumcision is not simply the cutting off of useless skin. Author Gary L. Harryman innumerates what circumcision destroys:

***Its connective synechia, which fuses the foreskin to the glans while the penis develops.

***Approximately half of the smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia.

***Most of the erotogenic nerve endings on the penis, including the densely innervated ridged bands, reducing the sensitivity of the penis to that of ordinary skin.

***Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a component of the immune system.

***Thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors, including the Meissner's corpuscles.

***Estrogen receptors--the purpose and value of which are not yet fully understood.

***Ectopic sebaceous glands, which lubricate and moisturize.

***The protective covering of the glans, normally an internal structure. The foreskin shields from abrasion, drying, and callusing, and protects from dirt and other contaminants.

***The entire immunological defense system of the soft mucosa, which may produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme, also found in mother's milk, and plasma cells, which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies.

***Lymphatic vessels, the loss of which interrupts the lymph flow within a part of the body's immune system.

***The frenulum, the sensitive "V" shaped tethering structure on the underside of the glans is also usually amputated, severed, or destroyed.

***The apocrine glands, which produce pheromones, nature's powerful, silent, invisible signals to potential sexual partners.

***As much as 50% or more of the total penile skin, radically immobilizing and desensitizing whatever skin remains.

***The "gliding" mechanism. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin would measure 15-20 square inches, the size of a postcard. This abundance of specialized, self-lubricating skin gives the natural penis its unique-hallmark ability to smoothly "glide" back and forth within itself, permitting non-abrasive intercourse, without drying out the vagina.

***The pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans.

***10% to 20% of its circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose foreskin is now missing making the circumcised penis thinner.

*** As much as one inch of the erect penis' length due to scarring and shrinkage from loss of the mobile, richly vascularized foreskin.

***Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery, the loss of which interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging its natural function and possibly stunting its growth.

*** An estimated 240 feet of microscopic nerves, including branches of the dorsal nerve.

*** Perhaps most importantly, between at least 10,000 to 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of various types, which can discern slight motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture.

And occasionally a boy will lose his life from this needless operation. It has been estimated that as many as 209 babies die every year from circumcision and related complications."

[mpimping]

Originally Posted by MontegoGoGoGo

Probably just not experiencing it.

I guess if you grew up in a compound where everyone cut their thumbs off, thumbs would really freak you out too. (Worst analogy ever...)

I thought most russians weren't @ircumsized. I guess you have a point, if u were locked in a dungeon with like 10 cocks in your face all day long u would probably have an adversion to cock. You don't have an adversion to cock do you? I heard rjussian grls own when it comes to head.

[TurboFan]

Penn and Teller Doug? Really? That's funny. How about the AMA, New England Journal of Medicine, or any medical journal on urology? Penn and Teller??

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

Penn and Teller Doug? Really? That's funny. How about the AMA, New England Journal of Medicine, or any medical journal on urology? Penn and Teller??

Doesn't matter who is presenting the subject matter as long as they are presenting the facts.



You didn't even watch the vids.

Also, the argument for circumcision to prevent phimosis is fucking moronic. We should cut off our eyelids to prevent our eyes becoming infected. We should cut off our testicles to prevent testicular cancer. We should cut out our appendixes to prevent appendicitis. Increased risk of cancer, LOL.

There are many negatives to circumcision with no positives. There's a reason why most of the world doesn't practice this moronic ritual.

I don't understand how people like you are so fucking stupid. A large portion of the human population must be suffering from some mental deficiency.