[Fugly M3]

looks like a bunch of crap to me. yea it technically wasn't a full stop behind the line but whatever, it was a right turn behind the shield of a green arrow so it really shouldn't even be looked at. unfortunately and ironically the state has no money and has to find a way to pay for all those employees to review this stuff, so it's a never ending circle

[Fugly M3]

if I remember right, if you fight it, someone from both the law enforcement agency and the redlight camera company have to be present to testify against you and not either or

[nub340]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

This is the second time you've posted semi-inflammatorily in this thread. I never said I didn't run the light, number 1. Number 2, my driving habits are likely better than 95% of the people here.

Leave your OPINIONS regarding me to yourself, and work on your rudeness while you're at it. Also seems like you're a bit bitter about the fact that you got nailed and couldn't get out of it. Don't put your petty bs on me as a result.

My bad dude. I wasn't trying to imply that you're a bad driver in anyway, just that there is always room for improvement no matter how good you are. I just don't like hearing people complain about things they brought on themselves. I mean, you admit that you ran the light but in the same breath are complaining you got a ticket for it.

You are in fact asking for people opinions (thoughts) on a Photo Enf ticket you just got so expect to hear some. I never in anyway attacked you personally and I apologize if it came off that way. All I'm trying to say is do your best to fight it, but don't make it sound like it's unjustified and that you're a victim. I actually gave you some advice on how to fight it and I wish you the best of luck in doing so.

[bmrm396]

ya thats totally ridiculous, i live in SoCal and have plenty of camera lights round my work - i do that "cali stop" shit all the time and so do friends, weve never got a notice for anything (knock on wood)

[e90-ZeRo]

I'm amazed that they just give you a video of you you did to get the ticket in the first place

and am I the only one amused by the fact the video is has "POW POPO 03"?

[xG35c]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

The plate shouldn't have been on the car, tbh...and I know that. It's from my old lease that I turned when I got this car, that apparently the DMV hasn't processed the registration bits on yet. I've now removed the plate to avoid any possible future issues with that being a source of problem.

Dude, if you got this ticket while driving around with ficticious plates, I'd pay up and move on. If that came out in court it's a potentially much more serious and expensive violation. (and sorry to say you'd probably lose in court anyway )

[Seminole]

You didn't have a green turn arrow. End of story. The other lane having a green arrow doesn't mean jack. One of them could have whipped an U-turn right into you.

[jopa489]

Originally Posted by TJDiCandido

How does the government prove who was driving the vehicle at the time of the infraction?

By taking pictures from other angles, particularly the front.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by xG35c

Dude, if you got this ticket while driving around with ficticious plates, I'd pay up and move on. If that came out in court it's a potentially much more serious and expensive violation. (and sorry to say you'd probably lose in court anyway )

The plates aren't fictitious. They're mine, and the processing for the transfer to the new car has been in progress since Dec 12th. The car that the plates used to belong to no longer belongs to me, technically, but the DMV records don't reflect that yet.

Originally Posted by Seminole

You didn't have a green turn arrow. End of story. The other lane having a green arrow doesn't mean jack. One of them could have whipped an U-turn right into you.

Which, considering my rate of speed, would have been easy to stop for. Not to mention, iirc, that intersection has a no U-Turn sign for that direction, because of the tight radius for the turn. Try again.

[Fugly M3]

if there's a no u-turn for the traffic turning left then someone really should have decided that this citation shouldn't have issued. most cops aren't too nice in handing out tickets, but they do at least have some discretion and in this scenario I doubt most would have even bothered to pull you over

[Ron1n]

I plan to do some research about the area before I'm due in court. I'd like to see this dismissed before it ever got there, but I don't think that will happen.

This infraction, while 100% right (never said it wasn't), with human intervention, would have never been cited.

[Neutrino45]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

http://www.photonotice.com

Had the pictures that come with the ticket, as well as a video of the infraction. I ripped it off the site and threw it up on YT.

I'd lived in that area for 4 years and never had that happen. It was even purely incidental that I was where I was that day....bleh.

What software did you use to rip it?

P.S. if you are in Texas, the law is "no cop, no stop!"

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by Neutrino45

What software did you use to rip it?

P.S. if you are in Texas, the law is "no cop, no stop!"

Applian Technologies Media Replay Catcher.

It's shareware, but it served the purpose.

[Neutrino45]

Thanks!

[Gobbler9483]

This infraction, while 100% right (never said it wasn't), with human intervention, would have never been cited.

Just depends on their motivation. It would have been ticketed by a cop who was sitting at the intersection looking to write tickets (whether to meet a quota, a local politicians "law and order" initiative to reign in scofflaws and show the shield, or a push to bring in revenue for the city to pay salaries).

I think Poway gets away with aggressive red light camera enforcement because many of the people ticketed are not residents. Lots of San Diego and Ramona residents drive through Poway to get someplace else.

[Ron1n]

The only reason I was there was to go to Kragen to pick up a California Duster, and then I was on my way up to Camino Del Norte to go to the CVS to pick up a prescription that hadn't been transferred up to the new house yet. That right onto Pomerado was for that.

Really buggered about it. I see myself as a fairly safe driver, even courteous. Example: I was in front of a Ralph's earlier today, and this lady with a cane was starting to walk across to go into the store. With the rate of speed she was going, I could have easily gone by her, but instead, I waited for her to cross. I frequently let people in front of me where others wouldn't, etc. For some people in this thread to jump down my throat just bugs the hell out of me, especially because I get the feeling it's a holier than thou hypocritical type of situation.

[iBoost]

just saw that video and i always turn like that! wow CA never stops coming out with gadgets to get you guys. that ridiculous!

[E92-Lighting]

i have never seen of these these in real time

[ianthegreat]

Now is the time we all revolt against the government and those that created these cameras.



...wait a second. Am I on the national terror watch list now?

[Pappy]

Originally Posted by nub340

You definitely didn't come to a complete stop, which is an infraction.

However you might be able to get out of it by just claiming it wasn't you. Even w/pics of your face, I've heard of people getting out of it by standing by their claim that it wasn't them. It's very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was actually you. You just say that you let family & friends drive your car all the time and you're not sure who had it that day.

The fine will be against the registered owner of the car...let the family and friends sort it out...the fine will be paid regardless...