JB3 PnP or Pin out???

mechanixhorseman · 04-25-2010, 09:25 PM

I've decided I'm going to go the JB3 route and now I'm stuck with the dilemma of whether to buy the plug and play or pin out versions. I'd like to consider myself as mechanically inclined but this would be my first modification and I'm still afraid to pop my E92's cherry.

Is the pin out version really $280 more difficult to install? That's a good part of a stage two intake just for a few extra minutes of work.

Has anyone else had any difficulty with the pin out version?

forza1976 · 04-25-2010, 09:30 PM

do the PNP, it's more money but if you have to do any uninstall/installs it will go so quickly.

5soko · 04-25-2010, 10:39 PM

The PnP is def worth the extra money!!! no questions asked. Its alot more easier to install, cleaner, and alot more easier to uninsall.

longodj · 04-25-2010, 10:41 PM

I would NOT say $280 worth. The pro install was a LOT easier than I expected....took 45 minutes no problem.

TriniJots · 04-25-2010, 10:47 PM

PnP...very convenient for many reasons.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 04-25-2010, 10:54 PM

The pinout is a great option if you are installing and forgetting about it. If you will betaking it in and out for service etc then it can become a big pain in the ass

. The good part is at leapt you have an option of which to get and we also sell the pnp upgrade so you can always turn your pinout into a pnp.

Mike

turbologist · 04-26-2010, 12:52 AM

+1, its not worth the headache to re-do the pins everytime you need to take the car in...

Get the PnP....

apkraven · 04-26-2010, 02:24 AM

i installed the pinout in less than an hour, excluding a coffee break and the process of getting to the ecu compartment. if you don't need to remove it frequently i.e. going to the dealer, pinout is just fine ...

slowSwede · 04-26-2010, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The pinout is a great option if you are installing and forgetting about it. If you will betaking it in and out for service etc then it can become a big pain in the ass

. The good part is at leapt you have an option of which to get and we also sell the pnp upgrade so you can always turn your pinout into a pnp.

Mike

This is what it comes down to. I have the pin-out, and the install takes some more focus. Not difficult, it just takes time. For me, not worth 280 U$ more, since I'm out of warranty.

enrita · 04-26-2010, 05:40 AM

i have done 3 times a pinout for some friends and its a huge pain . go pnp.

BoostedCosta · 04-26-2010, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longodj

I would NOT say $280 worth. The pro install was a LOT easier than I expected....took 45 minutes no problem.

+1
the pin out isnt hard at all

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 04-26-2010, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostedCosta

+1
the pin out isnt hard at all

I don't think anybody is saying its hard but I think the point is that it is a pain in the ass when you have to install and remove often.

I've installed hundreds of JB3s and even I find it a pain

Mike

themyst · 04-26-2010, 10:24 AM

pinout takes some extra time and if you're a n00b, easier to mess something up. It is amazing to see how easy a PnP harness makes life though.

mechanixhorseman · 04-26-2010, 07:50 PM

Thanks for all the feedback. I think I'm leaning towards the PnP version now. Think I'm going to end up selling my third party extended warranty and spending the extra $3,000 on performance mods as well.

JB3 pnp
Dual cone intake
FMIC
Downpipes
Exhaust

though I doubt I'll be able to get all that for under $3,000.

Chiggy · 05-27-2010, 11:03 PM

Does the dealer actually need to access the ECU during routine servicing? I presume if you turn off the tune and clear the codes, they would not have to access the ECU unless it is for software upgrade, etc..

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 05-28-2010, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiggy

Does the dealer actually need to access the ECU during routine servicing? I presume if you turn off the tune and clear the codes, they would not have to access the ECU unless it is for software upgrade, etc..

The dealer has no business inside the ECU. I think the only reason they would go inside is if they suspect a tune. All ECU programming/diagnostic reading is done through the OBD port inside the car.

Mike

V8Killer · 05-28-2010, 09:22 AM

pinout is easy....if you can read you should be able to do it

hayabusa55 · 05-28-2010, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The dealer has no business inside the ECU. I think the only reason they would go inside is if they suspect a tune. All ECU programming/diagnostic reading is done through the OBD port inside the car.

Mike

I know this question has been asked a million times probably, but I have to know for sure:

If you remove the JB3 and clear the codes... Can the dealer know that the car was tuned?

MusclezMarinara · 05-28-2010, 11:35 AM

+1000 PNP

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5soko Brigadier General 346 Rep 4,633 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	The PnP is def worth the extra money!!! no questions asked. Its alot more easier to install, cleaner, and alot more easier to uninsall.
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longodj Major 77 Rep 1,287 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rochester, NY iTrader: (3) Garage List 2007 335xi [0.00] 1974 VW Beetle [0.00]	I would NOT say $280 worth. The pro install was a LOT easier than I expected....took 45 minutes no problem. __________________ Performance: UUC Sways CDV Mod KW V3 Vorshlag plates Pagid Yellow VK OC Hotchkis Brace STETT IC/CAI Braille B2015 VK Catless DP BMS JB3 M-Tech #1 Mod: AutoX/HPDE HPDE 3 Many Thanks: **********s UUC Motorwerks VK Motorwerks HP Autowerks SOLD
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Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 5021 Rep 116,150 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	The pinout is a great option if you are installing and forgetting about it. If you will betaking it in and out for service etc then it can become a big pain in the ass . The good part is at leapt you have an option of which to get and we also sell the pnp upgrade so you can always turn your pinout into a pnp. Mike
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turbologist Emperor 31 Rep 427 Posts Drives: tricycle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NoVA iTrader: (0)	+1, its not worth the headache to re-do the pins everytime you need to take the car in... Get the PnP....
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apkraven Ukrainian tuner 40 Rep 127 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ukraine iTrader: (2)	i installed the pinout in less than an hour, excluding a coffee break and the process of getting to the ecu compartment. if you don't need to remove it frequently i.e. going to the dealer, pinout is just fine ...
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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	i have done 3 times a pinout for some friends and its a huge pain . go pnp. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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themyst Major General 189 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	pinout takes some extra time and if you're a n00b, easier to mess something up. It is amazing to see how easy a PnP harness makes life though. __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT
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mechanixhorseman Second Lieutenant 18 Rep 261 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North County San Diego, CA iTrader: (0)	Thanks for all the feedback. I think I'm leaning towards the PnP version now. Think I'm going to end up selling my third party extended warranty and spending the extra $3,000 on performance mods as well. JB3 pnp Dual cone intake FMIC Downpipes Exhaust though I doubt I'll be able to get all that for under $3,000.
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Chiggy First Lieutenant 12 Rep 305 Posts Drives: E92 335i, E70 4.8 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	Does the dealer actually need to access the ECU during routine servicing? I presume if you turn off the tune and clear the codes, they would not have to access the ECU unless it is for software upgrade, etc..
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