[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

The inclusion of the word literally in the phrase "its not cricket" was a reference to the fact it is motorsport Carlos.

I think the Senna move was equally cynical, so not sure thats a defense.

I can't recall the context of the 2 "Hill knocking off Schuy" incidents - did Hill have a motive to shove him off (was he ahead in the race/championship at the time?).

EDIT - seems not, Hill was behind in championship at both silverstone and monza. Neither move was cynically inspired - unlike Adelaide where Schuy went off into the barrier with both wheels, probably realised his car was FUBAR'd and then decided to take out Hill.

As he was disqualified completely after the villenerve incident, it does suggest he was considered (officially) as a bit of a cheat.

Hill was just an eejit. Can't believe you don't remember those incidents but remember the Schuey ones, were you not a fan back then?

I cant blame you for knowing the bad ones, as British press and TV viewing did make a scapegoat out of him.

[ibanezking]

Originally Posted by jvowles

Have you met either?

Met Rossi a couple of times and have 2 of his replica helmets signed by him as well as photo's etc

You only have to look at his post race/win stunts to appreciate the guy!

The finest racer ever - and a REAL crowd pleaser

I agree on Schu being the "villain"

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Hill was just an eejit. Can't believe you don't remember those incidents but remember the Schuey ones, were you not a fan back then?

I cant blame you for knowing the bad ones, as British press and TV viewing did make a scapegoat out of him.

I remember it now - but I'm getting old and the mid 90s was along time ago and my memory is not what it was! I've been watching it a long time young man - I remember watching James Hunt race, which if my maths is correct, was before you were born.

My recollection is that the schuy moves were quite cynical (i.e. cheating), whereas Hills were not. Hence the schy ones are the ones that stick in the memory.

What did Hill have to gain by taking them both out at Silverstone or Monza?

[dxb335d]

Just couldn't bare loosing at home to schuey.

You may have watched f1 since before I was born. I though have studied the sport from day dot.

[ibanezking]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Just couldn't bare loosing at home to schuey.

You may have watched f1 since before I was born. I though have studied the sport from day dot.

NOT wanting to fall out DXB - but you ain't half coming across as a know it all..........

[dxb335d]

Not wanting to fall out either, but You aint half coming out as German hater.

[dxb335d]

Thing is, when Schu Joined F1 I was 7 years old. I followed him from the very start of his career. I had no issues with Germans, I was too young. All I saw was a fantastic racer. He would do anything to win. Now thats the attitude that the very best have. You need that to succeed.

There was times when the British patriotic press really gave Schu a hard time, this is why some non full time followers or part interested people have this WRONG Hatred towards him.

This isnt football. Its not England vs Germany. Its Driver and his team against the next.

I follow drivers as a driver. Not teams. Alot of the younger crop of Drivers ive seen followed from their karting days.

I dont jump on bandwagons.

[jvowles]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Thing is, when Schu Joined F1 I was 7 years old. I followed him from the very start of his career. I had no issues with Germans, I was too young. All I saw was a fantastic racer. He would do anything to win. Now thats the attitude that the very best have. You need that to succeed.

There was times when the British patriotic press really gave Schu a hard time, this is why some non full time followers or part interested people have this WRONG Hatred towards him.

This isnt football. Its not England vs Germany. Its Driver and his team against the next.

I follow drivers as a driver. Not teams. Alot of the younger crop of Drivers ive seen followed from their karting days.

I dont jump on bandwagons.

Mirrors my sentiments. I am just judging him for what he is, not what the press thinks he is.

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Thing is, when Schu Joined F1 I was 7 years old. I followed him from the very start of his career. I had no issues with Germans, I was too young. All I saw was a fantastic racer. He would do anything to win. Now thats the attitude that the very best have. You need that to succeed.

There was times when the British patriotic press really gave Schu a hard time, this is why some non full time followers or part interested people have this WRONG Hatred towards him.

This isnt football. Its not England vs Germany. Its Driver and his team against the next.

I follow drivers as a driver. Not teams. Alot of the younger crop of Drivers ive seen followed from their karting days.

I dont jump on bandwagons.

"He would do anything to win. Now thats the attitude that the very best have. You need that to succeed."

This is true, and he was in many was the best driver of his era - his results spoke volumes - but the way he did it was sometimes unsportsmanlike. This is where the ugly side of wanting to win at all costs surfaces and its not pretty, and not a very good role model for others either. I actually quite like M Schumacher, but as a cheating villian who I like to see loose.

Having said all that I don't think he deserved the penalty he got in Monaco - he should have lost the place, but not all those points.



PS I've lived in Germany for several years and like Germans. I've competitively karted against Germans. I shared an office for 4 years with a German, who when it came to F1 was M Schumachers No.1 fan - even he didn't try and defend the Adelaide incident.

PPS I usually beat the Germans in the karting, and the Italians. It was the other Brits that were tough to beat.

PPPS I was sharing the same office at the time I went across town to watch England beat Germany 5:1. Happy times.

[Oli]

What everyone does have to remember is no matter whether you are a full on hardcore F1 fan or just enjoy watching the racing every week, we are all entitled to our own views, and no ones is more right than another, as they are personal views, and how you each see them!!

I think that makes sense.

Mine is that he is an extremely talented driver, but comes over very arrogant, and initially I thought his choice to come back this season, would leave him being remembered as the comeback flop, and I still maybe right, but hopefully he will prove us wrong, and there have been a couple of the 'old' schuy moves being seen.

As always, just my tuppence- and for the record, I've always followed F1, but mostly from a distance, but am enjoying each race more and more, especially over the last few seasons - Funny really as touring cars, used to be my thing, but I've switched!

[dxb335d]

What karting have you done AJ? What class?

[F31-340i]

The class was officially known in German as:

Klasse "Spaß mit Arbeitskollegen" with 6.5ps Honda Gas powered karts (6000rpm).

Raced every month with basically the same competitors - my best year was 2002, when I came 2nd overall.

Harte Rennen, aber wir nehmen uns nicht allzu ernst.

[dxb335d]

So they were rental karts. Or did you own one?

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

So they were rental karts. Or did you own one?

I didn't own one. I'm rubbish and know nothing.

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

The class was officially known in German as:

Klasse "Spaß mit Arbeitskollegen"

Harte Rennen, aber wir nehmen uns nicht allzu ernst.

D.

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by ///ajd

I didn't own one. I'm rubbish and know nothing.

LOL.
So it was a rental kart series. Didn't it make you want to go and buy a race kart mate?

[F31-340i]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

LOL.
So it was a rental kart series. Didn't it make you want to go and buy a race kart mate?

No, twas too easy just to turn up and pay our 1000EUR every month.

I'd rather spend the money on a proper fun (petrol) car for the road. Like a 911.

[dxb335d]

Yeah thats a good point. I'd love a Porky T.

I enjoy trackdays, they just dont give the buzz of competative racing.

[F31-340i]

Its clear schuy can do no wrong in your eyes Carlos - but I have found some proof of him getting it wrong it quite a big way.....

[Oli]

Carl will have a defence for that...........

[dxb335d]

PMSL.....