[bugsandry]

Hi everyone,

my car's front rotors and pad are due to be changed in a couple of months.. Do you think this is a good buy from Tischer?

OEM BMW E9x 3 Series Front Brake Kit - $335
ront pads, rotors, sensors, and paste. - Free Ground Shipping

Or should I just bought aftermarket parts? (e.g Cool Carbon Pads)

Thanks

[SV Concepts II]

Can't get wrong with OEM, but you may want to take this opportunity to check out some other options such as Stoptech Powerslot/SportStop replacement rotors as well as their street performance brake pads...in the end it will cost about the same/less as OEM parts...and is a nice upgrade as well.

[e90ben]

Hey man

checkout autopartsway.ca for OEM replacement parts

they ship out from Van or TO


On a side note,

Some non-oem pads would be good if you dont like to clean your wheels all the time

I might be ordering some soon.

[EAS]

Cool Carbon brake pads are a great alternative to OEM with less brake dust and has dual duty for street and track!

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by david @ eas

Cool Carbon brake pads are a great alternative to OEM with less brake dust and has dual duty for street and track!

Cool Carbon S/T may be a great alternative to OEM with less brake dust but they're by no means dual duty...Anyone that can fade a set of OEM pads can and will fade the Cool Carbon S/T pad on the track.

Cool Carbon R/T pads may be as close to "dual duty" as a pad can be but it's also by no means lower dust than OEM. And a SERIOUS track junkie will find the MOT a little low and initial bite a little lacking for serious track work. But for intermediate drivers they're excellent, certainly much better than the Axxis Ultimates that others typically recommend.

Now, which Cool Carbon pad are you recommending here?

[skiernan36]

i am interested as well, my idrive tells me that i took off 4000 miles on my stock pads at the track this weekend. time to upgrade

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by The HACK

Cool Carbon S/T may be a great alternative to OEM with less brake dust but they're by no means dual duty...Anyone that can fade a set of OEM pads can and will fade the Cool Carbon S/T pad on the track.

Cool Carbon R/T pads may be as close to "dual duty" as a pad can be but it's also by no means lower dust than OEM. And a SERIOUS track junkie will find the MOT a little low and initial bite a little lacking for serious track work. But for intermediate drivers they're excellent, certainly much better than the Axxis Ultimates that others typically recommend.

Now, which Cool Carbon pad are you recommending here?

I'm confused...
Have you even tried a set of S/T pads?
I know you've said that you had a set of R/T pads but those were the older pads that they don't even sell anymore.

I've been testing some R/T formulas lately but The S/T pads IMO really are dual duty. Of course they aren't going to be light toe pressure on the track but they really do a great job with going to the track with the same pads as used on the street.

I have a feeling that the R/T pads that you are referring to are the S/T pads that everyone else is referring to because CC doen't even have the R/Ts out yet.

[bugsandry]

Do I need to change the wear sensor when changing rotors and pads? sorry noob questions...

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I'm confused...
Have you even tried a set of S/T pads?
I know you've said that you had a set of R/T pads but those were the older pads that they don't even sell anymore.

I've been testing some R/T formulas lately but The S/T pads IMO really are dual duty. Of course they aren't going to be light toe pressure on the track but they really do a great job with going to the track with the same pads as used on the street.

I have a feeling that the R/T pads that you are referring to are the S/T pads that everyone else is referring to because CC doen't even have the R/Ts out yet.

I've tried them both. A lot more than you think I have. I've spent about 4 straight hours on track with the S/T in various test conditions. They're not even remotely close to double duty and are marginally better than OEM pads in that they will fade about 1.5 laps later than OEM pads. But fade like street pads, they will.

And I've also spent significant amount of time behind the R/Ts. About the same 4 hours on track in addition to two more events with about 4 more sessions, about 1.5 hours more with the R/Ts, plus nearly 2 years using them as my rear pads in conjunction with my Cobalt XR3. They're about as good as Porterfield R4 in that their fade resistance is much better than typical street pads, and if you mate them to a more aggressive track pad like Cobalt XR3 up front they're actually quite capable IN THE REAR with R-Comps. I've even driven them regularly for a while on the street, and while they dust more than OEM pads, and squeal like track pads once warmed up, they're actually more street friendly than the typical track pads.

And just because they're just starting to release R/T compounds for the E9X doesn't mean they haven't had R/T compounds for OTHER BMWs for years and years. When I did the "testing" for the S/T and R/T compounds it was near the end of 2006 when the "new" compound formulation hasn't even hit the streets yet.

If the dates on this document is correct, the S/T pad I tested is exactly the same compound as this.

http://www.coolcarbonperformance.com...Data_Graph.pdf

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by The HACK

I've tried them both. A lot more than you think I have. I've spent about 4 straight hours on track with the S/T in various test conditions. They're not even remotely close to double duty and are marginally better than OEM pads in that they will fade about 1.5 laps later than OEM pads. But fade like street pads, they will.

And I've also spent significant amount of time behind the R/Ts. About the same 4 hours on track in addition to two more events with about 4 more sessions, about 1.5 hours more with the R/Ts, plus nearly 2 years using them as my rear pads in conjunction with my Cobalt XR3. They're about as good as Porterfield R4 in that their fade resistance is much better than typical street pads, and if you mate them to a more aggressive track pad like Cobalt XR3 up front they're actually quite capable IN THE REAR with R-Comps. I've even driven them regularly for a while on the street, and while they dust more than OEM pads, and squeal like track pads once warmed up, they're actually more street friendly than the typical track pads.

And just because they're just starting to release R/T compounds for the E9X doesn't mean they haven't had R/T compounds for OTHER BMWs for years and years. When I did the "testing" for the S/T and R/T compounds it was near the end of 2006 when the "new" compound formulation hasn't even hit the streets yet.

If the dates on this document is correct, the S/T pad I tested is exactly the same compound as this.

http://www.coolcarbonperformance.com...Data_Graph.pdf

This is what I got from Cool Carbon:

"The Original ST pads were manufactured in a different facility than all of the current production. Processing parameters have evolved and improved with experience and feedback provided.

The original ST parts were not scorched as are all of the current production pads (which has a direct effect on fade and performance).
The early ST performance while good were different in performance to current production.

There was an RT formula also manufactured at the original facility, but production ceased on all applications during 2008. However a revised RT version is in the works and undergoing testing.

Cool Carbon does not represent the S/T pad as a full track or race pad. This is why the RT formula is in production."

[EAS]

The ST Cool Carbon pads are a very good alternative to OE and many find that the characteristics on the track are far superior to OE including resistance to fade. The product has never been presented as a full race or track pad however, but it is an excellent choice for performance street and occasional track events such as CCA and AUTO-X, hence the dual usage reference.

The current and latest ST formula is running on several full track cars including one with a BREMBO setup in the NASA series. As we have stated on the forums in the past, a serious track junkie may prefer a fully dedicated race pad, but such pads typically are not very street friendly. There are many on the forums however that are not serious track junkies that will find the performance more than adequate to suit their needs.

[bugsandry]

Very useful information Cal or David please pm me the quotes on Cool Carbon ST Front Pads and Rotors (stop-tech) as I need both parts to be replaced soon...Do I need to get new brake sensor as well? Thank you..

[EAS]

Originally Posted by bugsandry

Very useful information Cal or David please pm me the quotes on Cool Carbon ST Front Pads and Rotors (stop-tech) as I need both parts to be replaced soon...Do I need to get new brake sensor as well? Thank you..

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