[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Actually it would work out better for us in the long run. See my previous post. Its expensive but guess what, I would still be covered. The reason why I didnt go with JB3 before is because I didnt not like their torque, H2O pump, and knock results vs Dinan. Since they are now able to work around or bypass the Dinan if give me more confidence in their product.

The guys for the PROcede just knocked down my request. Kudos to Terry who went further with it and landed with positive results.

Your logic is flawed if you think you will fetch a premium for a modified car on resale The dinan flash you purchased is now a sunk cost. If you had just purchased a piggy back, you can resell it before or at the same time as your car. With regards to resale value, you wont fetch any premium having Dinan on there; in fact you shrink the potential pool of buyers as the average BMW buyer does not want modifications. You could be left marketing the car for sale for an extended period of time until your niche buyer comes out of the wood work and agrees to pay whatever premium you ascribe to your modifcations, or deal with other dealers who will significantly discount the value of your trade in because they know the car was modified (dinan or not).

Hiding under the cover of dinan. Well I don't really know what you are trying to do here but it sounds like you think you can blame tuner codes and other issues that arise as a result of using a piggy back on the dinan tune. Again, this seems like dumb justification of purchasing the dinan tune in the first place as you could easily try and pull the same trick on the BMW dealership rather than the Dinan dealer and save your money. In fact, Dinan can also deny service like BMW can if they find out you have non-Dinan modifications.

[Penn999]

Dinan can deny work/warranty if they find you have "unapproved" parts on your car.

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by poloace

i have purchased my ride. so, for me - i wanted some reassurance that if anything were to go wrong with the car, it would be warrantied. to the poster that stated i 'didn't do enough research' - i beg your pardon, as you are highly mistaken.

that said, i am kind of miffed that BMW wants me to fork out 100 bucks for the 'technician fee' to reprogram my car. that was not part of my understanding when i purchased the ECU flash. i think i'm still going to go the route of the reflash for the time being... when its 4 years old, i'll consider other options.

what else can i do to get solid HP/response gains that won't break the bank? what have people found the most useful?

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You purchased your ride - good for you mate. Theres probably many people who purchased, including myself and I have no problems about running JB or Procede on my car and reliability. It has been proven time and time again that its really the end users responsibility to ensure the tune is used in a reliable manner (ie people shouldn't push the envelope w/ respect to power if they can't handle or pay for the potential negative outcomes).

Your quest for additional HP/gains just illustrates my initial point - you have no choice but to keep riding the Dinan bus and pay their asked prices for modifications. Theres no sense mixing and matching modifications because the instant you do that, you are again risking your warranty. The fact that you choose to do this after paying for the Dinan-peace of mind is illogical and pretty dumb in my opinion, as you could have saved your dough and played the same game with BMW.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by turkish335

Your logic is flawed if you think you will fetch a premium for a modified car on resale The dinan flash you purchased is now a sunk cost.

Your in Canada, I'm in the US, of course the logic would sound flawed to you with two diverse markets we live in. You havent seen my car or its condition. What premium ? Its simple, use the to be current value of car + $2k for the Dinan flash which is for the life of the car. The Dinan flash is not a "total" loss in the end.

Originally Posted by turkish335

If you had just purchased a piggy back, you can resell it before or at the same time as your car.

Ah yes this, I was offered to buy a used JB3 from friend months before purchasing the Dinan flash. He was even willing to hook it up for me but you should know how that ended. The same reason I didnt buy the JB3 is the same reverse logic that you are aserting on reselling a 335i with a Dinan flash. BTW there are plenty of members that purchased their 335i that came with Dinan from a previous owner.

Originally Posted by turkish335

With regards to resale value, you wont fetch any premium having Dinan on there; in fact you shrink the potential pool of buyers as the average BMW buyer does not want modifications.

Perhaps this is your passive concept in Canada. I live in Florida, lets go deeper, South Florida. If I had a choise to purchase my car with or without the Dinan I would have chosen the Dinan.

Lets come out from the dealer mode on this. I would be selling a 335i with an Escort 9500ci and Dinan S2, or S3 that is two times faster than the stock, a custom tune upgrade "approved and installed" by BMW themselves. This will have less potential buyers ? Perhaps in Canada.

Originally Posted by turkish335

You could be left marketing the car for sale for an extended period of time until your niche buyer comes out of the wood work and agrees to pay whatever premium you ascribe to your modifcations, or deal with other dealers who will significantly discount the value of your trade in because they know the car was modified (dinan or not).

Remember, I live in Florida, South Florida. All that you say would depend on where you live and the surrounding demands and wants.

As for the dealer, and trade in, that would depend on the miles on the car and how good of a haggler you are. Some dealerships are more stringent than others when it comes to sales.

Originally Posted by turkish335

Hiding under the cover of dinan. Well I don't really know what you are trying to do here but it sounds like you think you can blame tuner codes and other issues that arise as a result of using a piggy back on the dinan tune. Again, this seems like dumb justification of purchasing the dinan tune in the first place as you could easily try and pull the same trick on the BMW dealership rather than the Dinan dealer and save your money..

Read my previous post for the reason why I didnt go with JB3 other than warranty. Other posters even mentioned other possible benefits it would have with the JB4.

Further more I didnt regret getting Dinan, I am glad I did at the time and now JB4 is here. Its like buying stocks, knowing when to buy and not to buy.

Originally Posted by turkish335

In fact, Dinan can also deny service like BMW can if they find out you have non-Dinan modifications.

Those are the key words for today "find out" and the whole cat and mouse game with piggy backs is to HIDE from the dealer.

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Your in Canada, I'm in the US, of course the logic would sound flawed to you with two diverse markets we live in. You havent seen my car or its condition. What premium ? Its simple, use the to be current value of car + $2k for the Dinan flash which is for the life of the car. The Dinan flash is not a "total" loss in the end.



Ah yes this, I was offered to buy a used JB3 from friend months before purchasing the Dinan flash. He was even willing to hook it up for me but you should know how that ended. The same reason I didnt buy the JB3 is the same reverse logic that you are aserting on reselling a 335i with a Dinan flash. BTW there are plenty of members that purchased their 335i that came with Dinan from a previous owner.



Perhaps this is your passive concept in Canada. I live in Florida, lets go deeper, South Florida. If I had a choise to purchase my car with or without the Dinan I would have chosen the Dinan.

Lets come out from the dealer mode on this. I would be selling a 335i with an Escort 9500ci and Dinan S2, or S3 that is two times faster than the stock, a custom tune upgrade "approved and installed" by BMW themselves. This will have less potential buyers ? Perhaps in Canada.



Remember, I live in Florida, South Florida. All that you say would depend on where you live and the surrounding demands and wants.

As for the dealer, and trade in, that would depend on the miles on the car and how good of a haggler you are. Some dealerships are more stringent than others when it comes to sales.



Read my previous post for the reason why I didnt go with JB3 other than warranty. Other posters even mentioned other possible benefits it would have with the JB4.

Further more I didnt regret getting Dinan, I am glad I did at the time and now JB4 is here. Its like buying stocks, knowing when to buy and not to buy.



Those are the key words for today "find out" and the whole cat and mouse game with piggy backs is to HIDE from the dealer.

I think you're in for a big surprise when it comes time to sell your car...

While I don't agree with Turks delivery, some of the message is correct. The masses don't want previously modded cars.

Your calculation of current value + 2k is actually more like current value - 2k. The warranty, unlike the tune doesn't last forever and people equate modded with less reliable.

Just because YOU would pay more for a Dinan tuned car doesn't mean everyone will. You are part of a small minority.

Oh, and your hardwired Escort is probably a wash. Nobody cares. <-- harsh yes... but true.

[STONEY_M5]

so why cant you stack a jb+ on a dinan tune then

[dlbrooks18]

Originally Posted by M335i Oreo Package

so why cant you stack a jb+ on a dinan tune then

Yes you can do this, and there are lot's of cars running Dinan/JB+ setup with great results.. the JB4 would allow for even more aggressive tuning!

[bulldog_yyc]

Your in Canada, I'm in the US, of course the logic would sound flawed to you with two diverse markets we live in. You havent seen my car or its condition. What premium ? Its simple, use the to be current value of car + $2k for the Dinan flash which is for the life of the car. The Dinan flash is not a "total" loss in the end.

Dude - do you really need to explain the math behind calculating a premium? The condition of your car or the local market in which you plan to sell it has no bearing on the simple fact that the average buyer does not care for personalization or modification. If you think you will recover the full price of the dinan flash (or any other modification for that matter) when you sell your car, you are fooling yourself. I didn't say it was a total loss, I said it was a sunk cost, just like adding any other permanent modification (such as a custom paint job for example).

Perhaps this is your passive concept in Canada. I live in Florida, lets go deeper, South Florida. If I had a choise to purchase my car with or without the Dinan I would have chosen the Dinan.

Its probably because we live in igloos here and ride seals and bears to work in the winter time. LOL - what does where you live have anything to do with your purchase decision? The only difference in markets is that Dinan is more affordable in the US vs. Canada, and the wider range of selection and more competitive prices for used cars in the US.

Lets come out from the dealer mode on this. I would be selling a 335i with an Escort 9500ci and Dinan S2, or S3 that is two times faster than the stock, a custom tune upgrade "approved and installed" by BMW themselves. This will have less potential buyers ? Perhaps in Canada.

Yes you will have less potential buyers; the average buyer anywhere (South Florida, NYC, Chicago, LA, etc..) does not care about how fast or powerful your car is. In fact, would an average buyer question the reliability of your car given that it has been modified?

Remember, I live in Florida, South Florida. All that you say would depend on where you live and the surrounding demands and wants.

No

Further more I didnt regret getting Dinan, I am glad I did at the time and now JB4 is here. Its like buying stocks, knowing when to buy and not to buy.

Those are the key words for today "find out" and the whole cat and mouse game with piggy backs is to HIDE from the dealer.

Funny how you reference stocks. Do you try to time the market? Are you a day trader? Do you ride the trends and trade your 401k? I bet you are long Anadarko and buy all the hot stocks recommended by your retail banker who pushes whatever name is the flavour of the day LOL. Don't even talk to me about stocks because thats what I do all day, every day.

I will bet that you fork out even more cash to either buy a piggy back or replace your Dinan tune with Cobb or GIAC in the next 12 months. Explain to me why paying extra for the Dinan peace of mind makes sense in this scenario when you are going to spend even more money in the long run to get the performance you ultimately wanted, with increased risk of your warranty being voided due to non-approved parts?

[Dahwich]

This sounds awesome! So what happens when you set Map 0? Back to Dinan, or back to stock? I would assume back to Dinan.

[atlharry]

Originally Posted by Dahwich

This sounds awesome! So what happens when you set Map 0? Back to Dinan, or back to stock? I would assume back to Dinan.

Back to Dinan.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Dahwich

This sounds awesome! So what happens when you set Map 0? Back to Dinan, or back to stock? I would assume back to Dinan.

You would be removing the JB4 on map0 so you would be back to Dinan.

Mike