[themyst]

Originally Posted by n54-5&3

Perfect example of my point. You don't have to search for long to see that the clueless liar is FlyLow335i... Read through his usual JB bashing and refusal to acknowledge his clueless, inaccurate banter here: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480726



First of all, you are not special here. In every thread you constantly assume that you know more about tuning than others. You are one of those types of people who think trust and knowledge come from saying, "trust me, I know what I'm talking about."


Real knowledgeable people share, contribute, listen, and learn. "Trust me" people spew and create confusion, slowing down progress with BS that only benefits themselves and their egos.



Well everyone here hopes that with all your contributions and honesty you can now finally get a good night's rest. Good luck with that.

And you're being hypocritical at best. You spew defensive remarks on the knowledge of others, yet offer nothing benefitting the community. Try again.

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by themyst

Answer me honestly, do you understand everything that FlyLow is saying? if you do, you're an idiot. If you don't, that explains a lot.

With that said, the JB4 is much improved over the JB3, especially with Progressive Methanol. Boost looks great now compared to that oscillated mess it was previously. Being that I run strictly on methanol, I would be pretty happy with it now, since timing is less relevant in my application. What it lacks is what I already told Terry in my review, the logging software is junk, part-throttle boost response still feels like an on-off switch, and not that I really need it with my setup, but the ability to offset timing if I were to run on pump gas.

Just look at the timing curve on a 335is or PPK car. Do you see it trying to run 10 degrees to 14 at redline? No, it will target about 6 degrees in the mid-range ramping to 10 degrees. Basically what a Procede tune with ignition correction does.

Having used both a Procede V5 and JB4 in my car, no fanboyism here. As a methanol injection user, I don't think I'd be upset to have either tune in my car. The ability to offset ignition timing is something that should not be taken for granted, no matter how good the DME and knock sensor are. if Shiv would hurry up and give us ignition advance for us that run methanol injection, there will be significant power gains over the stock ignition curve as well.

I might be not understanding exactly how people are coming off in this thread, but i did not agree or was, with flylow... I was refering him to the topic title of this thread as its a JB4/turner thread.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Lol - I have been tuning for years professionally and as a hobby. I was lucky to have people like crispeed, chris (ams), and a few other VERY respected tuners in the industry spend time teaching me on multiple platforms. I don't care who trusts me and who doesn't. You have laid your trust in a vendor who is here to sell you the product they make money on. That person happens to either be smart and intentionally deceitful or really clueless on tuning and unfortunately - still deceitful.

Like I said - those that are arguing with me simply don't understand what a full comprehensive tune entails. I am not a procede fanboy. I am not a cobb fanboy. I am not a Giac fanboy. I've played with all of them. Sometimes I have a procede on my car. Other times I have other things on my car that aren't released to the market. I like to tune and play with my car so not having access to the actual maps is something that does not excite me - therefor I am not a fanboy of anything really on the market. Try again though - you write eloquently - but unfortunately that doesn't always go hand in hand with being versed in the subject at hand.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by 1LUMI335

I might be not understanding exactly how people are coming off in this thread, but i did not agree or was, with flylow... I was refering him to the topic title of this thread as its a JB4/turner thread.

I am not into gaming but alot of my friends are. If I were to start an email with "which system should i buy - sega genesis or atari" i would hope one would step up and say "whoa whoa whoa. look at xbox or playstation3".

Hopefully you can recognize the association with that one.

[cmattone93]

If only the engine could tell us which tune It preferred. It would be interesting to hear what a JB engine has to say, lol

i agree with brianmn lmfaoooo