[SfValley335i]

We should setup a Piggyback shootout. We'll dyno all 3 piggybacks on a single car and see who comes out a winner. Simple Easy and do-able. This would bring the debates to an end. It'll show a clear winner. We'll do a A/F, Boost, Whp/Wtq comparisons.

I have a AA xede and willing to remove it for this sort of testing.
I'm sure we can pull off a Procede from the many users on this forum.
Anyone from LA area with a Procede willing to remove it for this shootout?

All we need is an RD Sport Xede. I haven't seen anyone using it yet. Maybe RD Sport itself would loan/bring a xede for this test?

We could give the 3 tuners about 2 weeks to finalize their "mappings" in case their in the middle of creating an improved map. The test car will have to be completely stock and manual. Car should be tested on 93 octane.

Once we find a loaner Procede/RD Sport Xede we will give the tuners 2 weeks before we actually do the dyno runs.

[Terry335]

Sounds fun, can I do a 100 octane map and then just use alky injection + 93 octane?

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Sounds fun, can I do a 100 octane map and then just use alky injection + 93 octane?

you'll be the last piggyback to be tested that day hahaha

I'm looking for a stock 335 completely stock.

[SoCal335i]

Lets just go to German Invasion and run them all in the 1/4.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by SoCal335i

Lets just go to German Invasion and run them all in the 1/4.

Yes thats good but each car makes different whp/wtq and a drag is Dependant on the driver especially if the car is manual.

Does anyone know if RD sport Xede will be at German Invasion?

[Driver72]

Z, you are going to need a lot more than just one car of each to make ANY kind of conclusions about dyno results!

Stock 335i's themselves can vary 5-10 hp/tq on the SAME dyno on the same day.
Just look at the dyno day and installs of the PROcede.
Each car varies by 5-10 hp.
Granted, most are within a 5 hp range, but there's always one that seems to stand out and one that seems to underperform.

Plus there are just way too many variables.

We all pretty much just have to let this rest.
As it stands I'm sure the PROcede, AA Xede, and RD Xede all make power that's pretty similiar but with different tunes.

It's not like comparing the PROcede to the Turbo Tuner, where it is/was clear which made more power.

The questions at this point are going to be whether the PROcede is superior to the Xede in development, build quality, upgradability, etc.
Those things will come to light in the near future I'm sure.

But short of getting AT LEAST 5 cars of each tune and then averaging, you can't begin to know which will do the most.

German Invasion should "answer" a decent amount. If you get guys with similiar 60 foot times, then you can compare 1/8th and 1/4 mile traps and see which is consistently putting down more power. Still won't be conclusive, but will give a "decent" idea.

[gonzo]

Who is going to loan their car for such a glorious day of dyno's may be a good question.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by Driver72

German Invasion should "answer" a decent amount. If you get guys with similiar 60 foot times, then you can compare 1/8th and 1/4 mile traps and see which is consistently putting down more power. Still won't be conclusive, but will give a "decent" idea.

German Invasion is goign to be 100 degrees out and adjusted altitude will be insane.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

German Invasion is goign to be 100 degrees out and adjusted altitude will be insane.

But we'll all be racing at the same track!

[CASHBY]

that is true, just dont expect to run better than a 13.8 at that time of year on that track. ahahah.

[Driver72]

I don't know if it's going to be 100 degrees yet, but it will surely be warm (probably 80's to 90's)

Just checked weather.com scheduled high for Saturday is 87 degrees.

Yeah, I pretty much said to those going I wouldn't expect stock 335i's to do better than 13.9's (but probably more like 14.0-14.1's)
And PROcede / AA Xede's only cars to do like 13.5 - 13.6's best

I did 13.48 @ 106.6 mph there a couple weeks ago.
No prep whatsoever, no traction whatsoever, but it was 50 degrees out that night.

So, even though there will most likely be more traction on Saturday (better prep...and warm weather = warmer track = better traction) I doubt the cars will run as fast due to the warmer temps though, but will surely cut better 60' times!

[DrGP]

Any way you could throw a Turbo Tuner in the comparison test?

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I don't know if it's going to be 100 degrees yet, but it will surely be warm (probably 80's to 90's)

Just checked weather.com scheduled high for Saturday is 87 degrees.

Yeah, I pretty much said to those going I wouldn't expect stock 335i's to do better than 13.9's (but probably more like 14.0-14.1's)
And PROcede / AA Xede's only cars to do like 13.5 - 13.6's best

I did 13.48 @ 106.6 mph there a couple weeks ago.
No prep whatsoever, no traction whatsoever, but it was 50 degrees out that night.

So, even though there will most likely be more traction on Saturday (better prep...and warm weather = warmer track = better traction) I doubt the cars will run as fast due to the warmer temps though, but will surely cut better 60' times!

yea 50 degree weather up there, the adjusted altitude is a lot lower than normal, so that sounds about right.

but the temps and elevation is just going to be ridiculous and really not worth it, but nice to practice launching. If the prep, which knowing LACR they will not prep for this event.

[turbocoins]

Really great idea! Any takers in FL??

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

yea 50 degree weather up there, the adjusted altitude is a lot lower than normal, so that sounds about right.

but the temps and elevation is just going to be ridiculous and really not worth it, but nice to practice launching. If the prep, which knowing LACR they will not prep for this event.

yeah, not really sure why the sponsors of this "German Invasion" waited so long to do this event.
They could of EASILY of done this a few weeks ago when temps were in the low 70's up there.
What's really funny too, is the racing is from 10 am to 4 pm...basically the hottest part of the day (2-4 pm).

Oh well, as long as guys give their cars a bit of cool down time between runs, it should be alright. Nobody goes to LACR for best times, but everyone there will be on the same playing field so it should be interesting.

You should go this Sunday Charlie.
I don't have my sedan anymore so I can't run her, but once I get my coupe and come fall, I'll visit LACR from time to time, and will probably do a Famoso gathering again, maybe the repaved track will have a bit more traction this time, and instead of 70 degrees, we go when it's 50-60 degrees.

if you go, see you there, if not, see you another time.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by Driver72

yeah, not really sure why the sponsors of this "German Invasion" waited so long to do this event.
They could of EASILY of done this a few weeks ago when temps were in the low 70's up there.
What's really funny too, is the racing is from 10 am to 4 pm...basically the hottest part of the day (2-4 pm).

Oh well, as long as guys give their cars a bit of cool down time between runs, it should be alright. Nobody goes to LACR for best times, but everyone there will be on the same playing field so it should be interesting.

You should go this Sunday Charlie.
I don't have my sedan anymore so I can't run her, but once I get my coupe and come fall, I'll visit LACR from time to time, and will probably do a Famoso gathering again, maybe the repaved track will have a bit more traction this time, and instead of 70 degrees, we go when it's 50-60 degrees.

if you go, see you there, if not, see you another time.

I cant race for a little while, I just had some intense surgery on my shoulder and any rough movment kills me right now. Actualy I just started driving two days ago and I am shifting with my left hand and taking it really easy.

i want to get back out there though and get some 12 second passes. Just need a good track....maybe sacramento is due for a trip!

[SoCal335i]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

German Invasion is goign to be 100 degrees out and adjusted altitude will be insane.

Everyone will have the same disadvantage in that case but im sure it will be somewhat cool when the gates open in the morning. It looks like the hottest part of the day should be mid to low 80's, thats not so bad for palmdale. If i wanted to get a good timeslip i would go to Famoso, but at invasion i will be able to run other 335's.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

I cant race for a little while, I just had some intense surgery on my shoulder and any rough movment kills me right now. Actualy I just started driving two days ago and I am shifting with my left hand and taking it really easy.

i want to get back out there though and get some 12 second passes. Just need a good track....maybe sacramento is due for a trip!

Dude, 12's are totally possible at Famoso.
As you know I did 13.03 in 70 degree weather, on 91 Octane, with 37 psi pressure in my tires, and the first time ever racing the 335i sedan!!
Plus we only did 3 runs. I'm sure I would of hit low 12.9's had I done one more pass with 93 Octane in the tank too.

Come fall, we'll have more experience launching these cars, the repaved Famoso should be stickier by then...and we were on v1.2 of the PROcede.
The newer versions make more power now.

I can see 12.8's @ 109+ with just the PROcede (v1.45 and by then v2.0+) and my General Steet tires on 93 Octane this fall, and that's uncorrected times.

With a few other mods (exhaust) we'll see 12.6's @ 110+
With DR's 12.5's are possible at that track.
Especially if you've done the CDV delete.

Sacramento is a long drive up just to get a possible extra tenth or so, and no guarantees of even getting that.

We'll have fun at Famoso in the fall.

[mayno]

all 3 products I'd say offer pretty similar performance. however, i strongly believe that once Shiv releases the 2.0 software version...Procede will take a huge leap ahead over ALL other products. having options (fuel maps, high vs. lower hp maps, launch control?, option to remove speed limiter etc.) are very compelling features to buy the Procede instead of the others.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by mayno

all 3 products I'd say offer pretty similar performance. however, i strongly believe that once Shiv releases the 2.0 software version...Procede will take a huge leap ahead over ALL other products. having options (fuel maps, high vs. lower hp maps, launch control?, option to remove speed limiter etc.) are very compelling features to buy the Procede instead of the others.

RDSport Blackbox already has the speed limiter removed and not many folks care about having a low HP map. Launch Control could be interesting though.

[bmwzimmer]

What does it top off at with the limiter removed?