[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by TWNTRBO

since you both agree, could you share insight as to what one offers over the other?

I like to avoid these discussions as of lately.

There is plenty of information on this forum over the past 4+ years to come to a conclusion.

I like to use facts rather then opinions in my research. I also like to hear from people that have had both tunes. Also what makes them tick internally and how they control the engine is another if not the most important factor.

[Syndicategt]

OP - Read this Sticky about Tuning and Timing before you make any decisions:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493245

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by TWNTRBO

so I did some searching, and both tunes control it the same way, via "CPS"

so how does one differ?

Best bet would be to talk with someone who has used both implementations.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by TWNTRBO

so I did some searching, and both tunes control it the same way, via "CPS"

so how does one differ?

Read again... (its an additional feature that needs to be bought for the Jb4).

2 good stickies

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374508

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493245

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by MiloMia

so, currently I am running the JB4 tuned with AR DP, AA FMIC, BMS DCI, but I have been hearing a lot of good things about the Procede v5. Is it worth it to change my JB4 to a Procede? I need some opions from those of you who have try both. Last, which is easier to use? as in installation, map changing, etc. Thanks

Maybe if this was 2010 and you had a JB3, I would say give it a try you may like it. But since the JB4 is out, it's as most of the other posters have said, a waste of money.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

Maybe if this was 2010 and you had a JB3, I would say give it a try you may like it. But since the JB4 is out, it's as most of the other posters have said, a waste of money.

Lol.. not sure how it can be a waste of money if there is a money-back satisfaction guarantee. And you will certainly be surprised at what he would be trial testing if he decides to give it a shot.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Best bet would be to talk with someone who has used both implementations.

I've used all three implementations (JB3, JB4, Procede V4/V5). Should I speak?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by themyst

I've used all three implementations (JB3, JB4, Procede V4/V5). Should I speak?

Absolutely, just point out that you got your used Procede from Terry@BMS.

[E90SoFlo]

Shiv should not be in this thread, if he wanted a vendor (of the software) he was thinking about trying pushing him to buy one, he would email him (I would think).

OP my .2 is that if you want performance you will not notice much. This forum is VERY biased towards the Proceede brand and its very well known, I would try the Cobb before going for another Piggy.

edit: I have been in a car with both the JB4 and V5 and they felt Identical.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Absolutely, just point out that you got your used Procede from Terry@BMS.

No problem, I bought my Procede from Terry @ BMS, and it worked flawlessly on my 6MT. Shiv is attempting to imply Terry did "something" to the tune which caused all the issues at hand. When I got a 6AT, the tune would misfire, and misfire often. I dynoed with this apparently "tainted" Procede and hit 424whp through a stock exhaust on my 135i. On the 3-30 DIC maps, the misfire on the 6AT was resolved, but introduced a slew of new problems, which I do not wish to get into at this time.

Shiv's marketing approach in 2009-2010 was to argue the lack of timing control on the JB3, which held water, since offsetting (CPS) ignition was at the very least a working solution to offset the stock ignition curve, albeit with some side effects as documented above.

Fast forward to 2011, the JB4 sells a CPS module, so you no longer see the ignition control wars of years past. You now see Shiv selling gimmicky meth injection kits that are directly controlled by the Procede, and STILL no discernible benefit to running a V5 in exchange for a VIN lock, other than a glut of headaches and issues.

Anyway, in terms of driving characteristics:

Procede drives much smoother under light throttle conditions, the JB4, although improved over the JB3, still trails in this regard. In terms of boost control, gadgets and gimmicks, similar, they both have progressive methanol mapping, they both have gauges (I prefer the JB4 implementation) and they both add similar power.

The reason why I got rid of my V5 and switched to a JB4? It just fucking works. So, Shiv, nothing was wrong with my car. I haven't misfired or thrown a single CEL since I switched. Is the problem still my car or could it POSSIBLY be your tune?

To those purchasing the Procede, be WELL aware of when your 14 days starts and ends. When it works properly, it's a great tune. I find the logging software and throttle response superior to the JB4. The problems start when it DOESN'T work properly and there's nothing that can really be done to fix it other than switching tunes.