[rycecak3]

If I go with ED program, how much can I save from 328i with NAV + STEPtronic + comfort access?

I am getting greedy, Iwant the 335i now + STEP + NAV

I am just a poor low income 22 years old kid. I can't afford more than 40k. with 8 years finance. SAd huh... but I am just like you, I LOVE E92 coupe'!

[iceebmw]

Originally Posted by rycecak3

If I go with ED program, how much can I save from 328i with NAV + STEPtronic + comfort access?

I am getting greedy, Iwant the 335i now + STEP + NAV

I am just a poor low income 22 years old kid. I can't afford more than 40k. with 8 years finance. SAd huh... but I am just like you, I LOVE E92 coupe'!

LOL ... 8 year loan? they now have 8 year auto loan? wtf? i hope u're being sarcastic..haha. i'm 28 years old and have been saving my ass up for this damn coupe. i first heard about the changes (redesign) about 2 years ago...and patiently waiting. To be honest, i doubt you'll pay less than $40k for 335i with Nav, Auto, and other minor options. The Nav alone is a $2000 option.

Maybe look into the 328i. Personally, i'm going with the 328i coupe for its value. Yes..i know 335i is a more powerful and faster car...but i rather save myself nearly $5k and use that on nicer wheels and even get a Nav for the 328i. 230HP is plenty to drive around town and still look good.

I currently drive a 2003 Subaru STI and it's a fast car..but i'm tired of random people insticating races. And i'm yearning for something a little more classy and luxurious.

I make nearly $80k a year and i can barely afford the 328i coupe. Either you're a rich 22 year old or have alot of savings for a huge down payment on the car or you still live with your mom and have no payments of any kind.

If i was 22... i would seriously consider the 328i ...cheaper and more sensible pricing for 3 series IMO. It is a 3 series afterall.

[MainlineE90man]

Originally Posted by BayAreaBMWFan

Boy you sure have some uninformed customers in your neck of the woods if they believe that paying $25/month more was justified. Assuming they came out of a 3 year lease on 2003 car, they any way would have been screwed on the initial lease since they would not have benefitted from the trunk money and would have paid premium lease rates since the Z4 was new then. The interest rates were low then so the MF may have been less on an absolute scale, but high on a scale relative to other cars.

The Z4 is an overpriced car. A well optioned 3.0si (or the old 3.0) approaches Porsche territory. BMW screwed up the initial pricing structure royally and priced the car about 10-15% more than what the market would bear. So every year they play the trunk money game. At the end of the 2003 model year, every car was CPOed and came with $6K of trunk money! Even after the refresh in 2006 and the trunk money, they can not move enough of them and have to take a bath on the lease terms. I drove a Z4 with a $48K+ sticker for 19 months so know what the car is and what it is not.

Your customer should have paid at least $75 less now since that is what the market with the current lease rates is.

And can you tell me how you take care of your customers? After the sale is done, you move on to the next sale. The service department pretty much works independently of the sales dept. Sure you can request a loaner or two but that is pretty much it. And for that honor your customer ends up paying $1000s more.

Again, I do not see anything wrong in your efforts to maximize the profits on the cars you sell. You are out to make as much as you can and as long as you have uninformed customers willing to pay a premium in buying from you, you have the right to maximize your profits.

However, people in these boards are well informed and know what the current market rates are. Telling them not to expect anything less than MSRP is baloney. The cars will go for less than MSRP. They are a commodity 3 series and not some limited production M car.

Bank rate for a lease is a standard .00310. So 3 years ago the standard was down around 4.9 not the 7.9 that is standard now. Bumping up from a Z4 2.5 to a 3.0is for $25 a month, make you feel like a good deal. there was no trunk money 3 years ago, the car was new and sold for sticker, actually he receive $1000 off the car three years ago. So this time he paid a little more, and got more in his car. I delivered to his house, and his vehicle is always picked up for service, by me, not service, we do not offer that, but I pick up my customers cars, why? Because he is a valued customer. The argument is not what the person paid...see you all consider yourself "informed" but that doesn't make the sale. It's "when you feel like you hit the bottom of the pool" a customer will always buy when they feel like they hit the bottom of the pool, he jumped at the $25 dollars more because usually your lease payments go up $100 every three years let alone getting more of a car. You guys are waiting till you hear the lowest number possible out there and then you feel like you hit the bottom of the pool, great, but if you don't buy locally, good luck in service. We always know who to take care of.... OUR Customers. I also will go off the point a little bit now, the trunk money aka dealer cash, is not there for the customer, its the so 'We" BMW can move the product that is slow, or backing up in inventory, not for the customer, true we do pass it on the customer but unlike other Rebates you do not have to disclose them to the public, its there for the dealer, and BMW doesn't do it often. So don't always count on it. And BMW is a Standard freak on all new cars, and what the rate for the 335...it will be at least .00280, if not standard for the first 2 months till December. I am not saying to expect to pay More than MSRP or even sticker, just realize that the first 3 months will be hard to get your $500 over invoice price I see so much on here. and for the well informed people here that know what the current market rates are... you realize it's $30 for every $1000 off so it wont help the fact the car will lease out for $810 a month on a MSRP $48,500 with a $1000 discount, with Standard rates(.00310) and a resid. value of .61 for 15K miles a years. tax not included. that same car three years ago would have been under $525 a month, using old rates. I am a customer too don't forget, I use to shop alll the time, but I also appreciate paying a little more when I receive the royal treatment, I buy al my jewlery from the same place, because when I got engaged the helped me out alot, and treated me GREAT. now on Mothers day, birthdays, christmas, all i do is call with a number amount $$$ and Mary will put aside several choices, I walk in look, and walk out with a wraped gift in minutes, actually I have payed over the phone and had other pick it up, I have used her well over a dozen times in 2 years. Great Service, and i dont mind paying a little more.------------------------especially cause I rip off customers and have a ton of cash flowing out my .
I love you all, I am sorry.

[bmwscott]

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[MainlineE90man]

Originally Posted by bmwscott

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what rate is thaT?

[rgoel]

(cross-post)
Would appreciate people's help. I'm planning to purchase a 335i via European Delivery. I have drafted a letter which I intend to email or fax to 5-10 dealers in my vicinity (San Francisco, CA). The letter is below. Would appreciate any and all feedback before I send it out. Thanks in advance.


From: First Last
XXX-XXX-XXXX
email@email.com

To: BMW USA Dealer

Re: Intent to Purchase BMW 335i Coupe

Dear Sir/Madam:

I intend to purchase a new BMW 335i Coupe via BMW’s European Delivery program. I have already determined the configuration and ordering options, and am currently seeking a BMW dealer who is willing to do business with me immediately based on the specification indicated below. I am contacting multiple dealers.

Car configuration European Delivery INVOICE price
335i Base: $34,360
Premium Package (ZPP): $2,230
Sport Package (ZSP): $910
Comfort Access (322): $455
Metallic Paint (A22): $430
Park Distance Control (507): $320
Destination and Handling: $695
Subtotal: $39,400

Option Configuration
Paint – A22 Sparkling Graphite Metallic
Upholstery – LCSW Black Dakota Leather
Interior – 4AD Brushed Aluminum

In addition to the $39,400 European Delivery invoice price, I am willing to pay the following:
Dealer markup: Up to $600
Tax: Actual
Title: Actual
License: Actual
MACO fees: $0
Marketing fees: $0
Other fees: $0

Therefore, the total I am willing to pay is up to $40,000 + tax + title + license.

I am also considering financing up to half of the purchase amount, though final payment terms are not yet decided.

I assure you that I am a serious buyer. Upon your agreement to the terms defined above, I fully intend to purchase the vehicle with minimal time required from the sales agent or sales dealership.

If you are interested in doing business with me, please contact me at the phone number or email address listed above at your earliest convenience.


Thank you for your time and consideration,


First Last

[zibawal]

Well done! keep us posted!

[Noelski]

Originally Posted by greginaz1

Yea!

Edit: PDF now shows MSRP and invoice pricing.

Also, please refer to the E92 FAQ for more E92 Coupe related information.

Does any one know what Canadian invoice pricing is on an E92 328xi Coupe is? We are going to take ED, for the experiece!

[slubu]

Originally Posted by iceebmw

I make nearly $80k a year and i can barely afford the 328i coupe. Either you're a rich 22 year old or have alot of savings for a huge down payment on the car or you still live with your mom and have no payments of any kind.

If you make 80k/yr, and have a Porsche Cayman (~60k), how can you not afford a 328i?

[TTG]

All, Are these July 3rd prices still valid. A dealer in my area is indicating that base wholesale euro delivery price of the 335 coupe as $ 34,740 not $34,365! Can someone reconfirm? Thanks in advance.

[mog_pj]

Yeah the same thing happened to me, seems like BMW changed the price and we are stuck with it!

Originally Posted by TTG

All, Are these July 3rd prices still valid. A dealer in my area is indicating that base wholesale euro delivery price of the 335 coupe as $ 34,740 not $34,365! Can someone reconfirm? Thanks in advance.

[Ucan]

Originally Posted by TTG

All, Are these July 3rd prices still valid. A dealer in my area is indicating that base wholesale euro delivery price of the 335 coupe as $ 34,740 not $34,365! Can someone reconfirm? Thanks in advance.

There's an updated August 8th dated price list. Make a quick search and you'll find the .pdf file.

Ucan

[TTG]

Originally Posted by Ucan

There's an updated August 8th dated price list. Make a quick search and you'll find the .pdf file.

Ucan

Thanks Ucan..... Found the list! Now the question is: My delaer is asking for the price difference between July 3rd pricing vs Aug 8th pricing. I have submitted my initial offer on July 31st and paid my deposit on Aug 3..... Do they have the right to charge me for this increase? All the paper work is written based on July 3rd pricing.... I am kind of upset for having to deal w/ this BS 2 weeks prioir to picking my car up.... Car is fully paid already!

[aleftik]

Paid $45330.00 for 07 335i Silver Coupe with ZPP, ZSP, Comfort Access, Power Rear Sunshade, Nav at SF BMW in San Francisco, CA.

MSRP was 48170 so discount of $2840 or about 6% discount.

[GingE92]

Originally Posted by aleftik

Paid $45330.00 for 07 335i Silver Coupe with ZPP, ZSP, Comfort Access, Power Rear Sunshade, Nav at SF BMW in San Francisco, CA.

MSRP was 48170 so discount of $2840 or about 6% discount.

Congradulations, that is a incredible price. My wife and I are looking for a 335coupe to replace our beloved 9 year old 528i. Whom did you speak with at SF BMW and was the sales experience a good one? Also, when did they promise you the car?

[dieselab]

I would like to know who to speak to also in SF.

[guitarvenue]

Originally Posted by iceebmw

LOL ... 8 year loan? they now have 8 year auto loan? wtf? i hope u're being sarcastic..haha. i'm 28 years old and have been saving my ass up for this damn coupe. i first heard about the changes (redesign) about 2 years ago...and patiently waiting. To be honest, i doubt you'll pay less than $40k for 335i with Nav, Auto, and other minor options. The Nav alone is a $2000 option.

Maybe look into the 328i. Personally, i'm going with the 328i coupe for its value. Yes..i know 335i is a more powerful and faster car...but i rather save myself nearly $5k and use that on nicer wheels and even get a Nav for the 328i. 230HP is plenty to drive around town and still look good.

I currently drive a 2003 Subaru STI and it's a fast car..but i'm tired of random people insticating races. And i'm yearning for something a little more classy and luxurious.

I make nearly $80k a year and i can barely afford the 328i coupe. Either you're a rich 22 year old or have alot of savings for a huge down payment on the car or you still live with your mom and have no payments of any kind.

If i was 22... i would seriously consider the 328i ...cheaper and more sensible pricing for 3 series IMO. It is a 3 series afterall.

[OIIIIO]

so these 335i's around $47k sticker well optioned, what real world prices are you guys getting after negotiating down? how much off that are they coming?

[OIIIIO]

Here is the reply I just got from the BMW salesman-

"There is no way ANY dealer will really give you that much off. They are
> just telling you that because they KNOW you won't show up.
>
>
> Mark D. Meyer
> Client Advisor
> Internet Specialist
> Classic BMW
> mmeyer@classicbmw.com
> (972) 918-1100 Main
> (972) 918-8704 Direct
> (469) 995-1388 Cellular"

I told him that people on here were getting $1500 and $2000 below MSRP for the 335i. I wish I had proof I could fax him.

[mose121]

Just get a bunch of people to email/call/text him saying what they got off.

[CleanAudi]

This is a cross post from the other thread, just wanted to see if I could get more replies on this topic in this thread. Please don't delete thanks!

Are these lease figures correct?
Looking to place an order and am somewhat confused on some of the figures, calculating it myself, I came up with a different price (lower) than the listed. In addition, I have a different invoice price that what the dealer is quoting me on as the invoice. Could someone please clarify this at let me know what I should be asking?
I believe there is something going on with
1) the invoice compared to Edmunds.com TMV
2) The (Adjusted) Cap Cost
I’m looking to put $3000 down, 36 months, 10k miles a year. The residual and money factor are correct, but it seems that the $3000 I’m putting down, a lot of it is going not against the actual cars down payment, but dealer based income which I feel shouldn’t be happening. Could someone please let me know what I should really be paying? The dealer is offering me $1500 over invoice, on their invoice price of $43,975 and whereas my invoice by Edmunds.com comes out to $43,415 so I don’t know where the discrepancy is there.
Details of car:
E92 335i, Crimson Red (Non-Metallic), Black Dakota Leather, 6 speed manual transmission, Premium Package, Sport Package, iDrive, and finally Park Distance Control
Lease sheet attached as well. I am looking to lease this car within the next week as there is this exact car sitting on the lot and I want to pick it up before someone else does!