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      09-27-2017, 02:56 AM   #199
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In case any one has a problem downloading the file, here's the txt in the csv:

Name,ShortName,ModeAndPID,Equation,Min Value,Max Value,Units,Header
0-0 BMW 335d Ambient Air Temperature,AAT,146,((A-40)*1.8)+32,0,50,°F,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Intake Air Temperature,IAT,10F,((A-40)*1.8)+32,0,100,°F,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Charged Air Cooler Temperature,CACT,177,((B-40)*1.8)+32,0,100,°F,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d AFR,AFR,124,((A*256)+B)*0.00044225,0,30,AFR,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Air Mass,Air Mass ,110,((((A*256)+B)/100)*0.132276),0,50,lb/min,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Manifold Pressure,Boost,170,((((((D*256)+E)*0.296)-1000)/1000)*14.5),0,35,psi,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Exhaust Manifold Pressure,Exh Press,173,(((((B*256)+C)/10)-1000)/1000)*14.5,0,45,psi,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Fuel Flow,Fuel Flow,015E,((A*256)+B)*5.64,0,125,lb/hr,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Exhaust Temperature Post DOC,EGT Pre DPF,178,(((((B*256)+C)/10)-40)*1.8)+32,0,1400,°F,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Exhaust Temperature Pre DOC,EGT Pre DOC,178,(((((D*256)+E)/10)-40)*1.8)+32,0,1400,°F,Auto
0-0 BMW 335d Exhaust Temperature Pre SCR,EGT Pre SCR,178,(((((F*256)+G)/10)-40)*1.8)+32,0,1400,°F,Auto
I've since installed a JB4 on my S63 powered X5M so I'm getting accurate boost readings that way but I'd still like to see about getting Torque to read correctly on my X5M and/ory GGF's N54 powered 535xiT. I see a lot of references to 335d in the above coding, but it that just naming that's read on the Torque app during use? Other than deleting EGR, assuming I don't have sensors on either of my cars, I'm just curious how hard it'd be to still make this work on gas engines.
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      09-27-2017, 09:48 AM   #200
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I've since installed a JB4 on my S63 powered X5M so I'm getting accurate boost readings that way but I'd still like to see about getting Torque to read correctly on my X5M and/ory GGF's N54 powered 535xiT. I see a lot of references to 335d in the above coding, but it that just naming that's read on the Torque app during use? Other than deleting EGR, assuming I don't have sensors on either of my cars, I'm just curious how hard it'd be to still make this work on gas engines.
There are some PIDs that are standard for all vehicles. Those are the one provided by Torque. Others are unique as designated by the manufacture. I think I need to consolidate the info in this thread into the first post. However, the information is within the thread with clues on how to create your own custom PIDs. I only guarantee my custom PIDs for use on the 335d.
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      09-29-2017, 07:57 AM   #201
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Just deleted iCarly and downloaded Torque Pro. Very psyched about entering these PIDs and doing some logging on a long drive this weekend.
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      10-03-2017, 11:21 AM   #202
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Hi DWR, I think I spoke to you on one of the Facebook 335d groups, just found this thread. Did you ever take a look at setting up a reading for the oil temperature?
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Yup, it was definitely you. Only reason why I now know, is because you just mentioned the Scwaben tool again. I know another member was trying to get you the PID's but that post just disappeared to the bottom somewhere and I cant find it in my notifications. Will keep an eye on this thread from now on. And thank you again.
Did some poking around with my Schwaben tool earlier today. I found 2 interesting options: "Oil temperature, engine" and "Engine temperature". The engine oil temperature option was in the EPS module, and stayed within 2F of coolant temp. The engine temperature is read by the DME and also stayed within 2F of coolant temperature. My guess now is that it's all the same sensor, the coolant temperature sensor. No need in getting another PID for what we already have.
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Did some poking around with my Schwaben tool earlier today. I found 2 interesting options: "Oil temperature, engine" and "Engine temperature". The engine oil temperature option was in the EPS module, and stayed within 2F of coolant temp. The engine temperature is read by the DME and also stayed within 2F of coolant temperature. My guess now is that it's all the same sensor, the coolant temperature sensor. No need in getting another PID for what we already have.
Do you know how to generate a csv file from the Schwaben though?
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Do you know how to generate a csv file from the Schwaben though?
Haven't looked into it. I will when I get time.
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Did some poking around with my Schwaben tool earlier today. I found 2 interesting options: "Oil temperature, engine" and "Engine temperature". The engine oil temperature option was in the EPS module, and stayed within 2F of coolant temp. The engine temperature is read by the DME and also stayed within 2F of coolant temperature. My guess now is that it's all the same sensor, the coolant temperature sensor. No need in getting another PID for what we already have.
Standard OBDII PID 5C is Engine Oil Temperature
EOT may be obtained directly from a sensor, or may be inferred by the control strategy using other sensor inputs. Since 335d does not have an oil temperature sensor, it must be inferred.

Correction: there is a temperature sensor in the oil "quality" sensor. However, I have never been able to get anything out of the ODBII port, regarding this parameter.

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Just loaded up my custom PIDs with torque Pro and a $22 BT adapter from Amazon and I could not be happier. Android device automatically syncs with BT adapter when I turn the car on and starts logging on its own. Syncing and logging with the iCarly app by contrast was like arming a nuclear warhead.
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Thanks for this DWR. Has been working great (my boost gauge has been waiting a year to be installed)

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EGT Monitor Discrepancy

Haven't really thought about it until now after reformatting my tablet and reinstalling Torque last week.

Pre DOC reading is not reflecting EGT from sensor 1.
Shows ambient temp (my sensor 2 is connected and bagged)
The Post DOC - Pre DPF PID is monitoring proper EGT from sensor 1.
Looks like the equations are switched around.
Pre DOC should be (B*+C) and Post DOC-Pre DPF (D*+E) in the equations
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Haven't really thought about it until now after reformatting my tablet and reinstalling Torque last week.

Pre DOC reading is not reflecting EGT from sensor 1.
Shows ambient temp (my sensor 2 is connected and bagged)
The Post DOC - Pre DPF PID is monitoring proper EGT from sensor 1.
Looks like the equations are switched around.
Pre DOC should be (B*+C) and Post DOC-Pre DPF (D*+E) in the equations
Wow, nice catch. I'll update the csv. Thanks. > Done.

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Haven't really thought about it until now after reformatting my tablet and reinstalling Torque last week.

Pre DOC reading is not reflecting EGT from sensor 1.
Shows ambient temp (my sensor 2 is connected and bagged)
The Post DOC - Pre DPF PID is monitoring proper EGT from sensor 1.
Looks like the equations are switched around.
Pre DOC should be (B*+C) and Post DOC-Pre DPF (D*+E) in the equations
Did you replace the downpipe?
Is there an equivalent app for the IPhone?

I've been using DashCommander for a while but it does not support custom PIDs
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Is there an equivalent app for the IPhone?

I've been using DashCommander for a while but it does not support custom PIDs
As far as custom PIDs go, not that I am aware of. Apple doesn't allow 3rd party user code to be run within iPhone apps. However, that shouldn't deter anyone. Android pay-as-you-go phones can be dirt cheap. I am currently using an AT&T Alcaltel that I got from the local drug store for $14 because it was old stock. I see this genre of phones on sale from time to time for under $30. As a bonus, the battery seems to last longer when used in this manner. Just a thought ...

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Is there an equivalent app for the IPhone?

I've been using DashCommander for a while but it does not support custom PIDs
Try looking at this:
http://www.outdoor-apps.com/enginelink.html
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Ok.. I am really beating my head on my desk over this one.

I have taken the 328d CSV, and I am trying to map it into one for my gas N55 435i. I put in the custom unit string I was told would be right. (maybe?)

AT PB E1 01\nAT CRA 612\nAT SH 6F1\nAT FC SH 6F1\nAT FC SD 12 30 0F 02\nAT FC SM1\nAT CEA 12\nAT CM 600\nAT H1\nAT SP B\nAT BI\nAT AL\n

and then was able to get the CSV into the proper folder and add that list of custom PIDs.

The problem is most of the PIDs read dark, no values and the few that do seem really wrong.. like Ambient reads -7F..

I would love any suggestions, help, feedback, guidance to a gas related CSV, or anything folks are willing to do. I am NECK deep in logging for a series of ECU flashes on my car, and want to make sure I am pulling accurate info.

Thank you for any help.
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Ok.. I am really beating my head on my desk over this one.

I have taken the 328d CSV, and I am trying to map it into one for my gas N55 435i. I put in the custom unit string I was told would be right. (maybe?)

AT PB E1 01\nAT CRA 612\nAT SH 6F1\nAT FC SH 6F1\nAT FC SD 12 30 0F 02\nAT FC SM1\nAT CEA 12\nAT CM 600\nAT H1\nAT SP B\nAT BI\nAT AL\n
custom PIDs.

The problem is most of the PIDs read dark, no values and the few that do seem really wrong.. like Ambient reads -7F..
Since the location of the custom PIDs are in different places depending on the ECU, there is no way your technique will produce anything sensible. Sorry.
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Ok.. I am really beating my head on my desk over this one.

I have taken the 328d CSV, and I am trying to map it into one for my gas N55 435i. I put in the custom unit string I was told would be right. (maybe?)

AT PB E1 01
AT CRA 612
AT SH 6F1
AT FC SH 6F1
AT FC SD 12 30 0F 02
AT FC SM1
AT CEA 12
AT CM 600
AT H1
AT SP B
AT BI
AT AL

custom PIDs.

The problem is most of the PIDs read dark, no values and the few that do seem really wrong.. like Ambient reads -7F..
Since the location of the custom PIDs are in different places depending on the ECU, there is no way your technique will produce anything sensible. Sorry.
ok thank you.. any way to determine the info? I am really trying to figure this out.
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Not sure if it was asked before but maybe somebody can share nice "D"iesel gauges layout!?)
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two questions:

are the pids file in the#1 post the more up to date?

should the throttle show this at all times with no change?
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should the throttle show this at all times with no change?
Most DDE's that have been "tuned" with emission deletes keep the throttle fully open during engine operation. In the OEM configuration (and some tunes done that keep the emissions equipment in place) the throttle is varied significantly during operation to help pull more EGR for emission reasons.

Have you had your DDE modified?
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Is there an equivalent app for the IPhone?

I've been using DashCommander for a while but it does not support custom PIDs
I've been using Car Scanner Pro and made a custom 335d file for them.
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Is post 1 the most current file?
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