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The 1M is more thrilling than the G82 M4 on any track but is much slower. The feeling of a going up for a challenge is the thrill, not which is faster to 100km/h. No owner races these cars stock for a living. AT + AWD numbs down the thrill is what many people are getting at. Progress is assessed on many attributes. Weight and driver insulation progression is not what a sporty car driver would want. |
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Certainly the 0-60 and track times of an F-80 or G80 can't be matched by the earlier cars. But the new cars have lost agility, nimbleness, "feel" and connection to the road and to the driver. I've owned e36s, e46s, e92s, F80s, and now F87s. I've driven several e30 M3s as well as G80s, including the brutally fast G80 Competition. I've driven them back to back on several occasions. The F87 is the only one of the newer Bimmers that has the soul of the older models. The older models embody excellent driving dynamics. On a twisty mountain road, or even on a normal street, they are more nimble, more fun, and more responsive than any G80. And on tight, curvey road, they can often be quicker. They reward good driving skills. And since almost all come with a manual transmission, they are far more engaging. Faster in a straight line? Yes. Obsolete? No way. |
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From an era without (way too) many iDrive / DriveLogic settings: one size fits all, except for a wing and a splitter.
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That and I love I6 engines… And I think they look cool… And the simple interiors with quality materials… And the wide body's on M cars… And the racing heritage… I guess there's a few things I like😂 |
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I like them, but they don't make the older Bimmers "obsolete. " That was my point. The older cars may be slower, but they are timeless from my perspective. I'm hoping the G87 still has some of that old magic. |
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Well the issue with recent BMW is they tend to ignore demands for different variants and aim to offer one-vehicle-fits-all, which will never work in this case.
It's gotten worse ever since Zipse (the logistics guy) became the head of the company, as one would expect. Quote:
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There's something unique and special about the simplicity of a rear wheel drive car Want all wheel drive buy all wheel drive but I seriously doubt we'll ever see xDrive on the BMW M2[/QUOTE] But why not have both. With M-x-Drive, AWD can be turned off and you can have your RWD. OR, simply just purchase RWD. Rain, snow or other less than optimum road conditions, turn on the AWD.
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When you want a nimble car these days, you can buy a few supercars made of carbon/alu, or a kitcar. Leaving out AWD and AT are not converting a fatty into an athlete, not at BMW wich offers both the best Xdrive and AT that the market currently produces and at the lowest added weight. In 2022, an E30 M3 is totally obsolete since besides it's nimble, it's nothing what the G87 will offer you with its much wider range of abilities. Or is there anybody here seriously believing that the E30 eclipses the G87? |
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I don't know…. But my G80 MT feels super connected and precise.
The suspension / geometry / feel is staggeringly good … I kind of chuckle about people bitching about the steering feeling numb? Including some at Car & Driver. It is so laser precise you move it a millimeter and it makes a change. …so I don't need to feel every bump in the road through to the damn steering wheel! This car is for the ages - The engine and chassis are an incredible improvement in total. Mind you, I had an E92 competition. I would expect the next M2 to follow suit
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On a high speed track, or in a straight line, yes. Or in the realm of automatic this or electronic that, yes. But not as a drivers car. |
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