[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by robopp

Agreed. Getting wrapped around the axle about specifications is silly. I was worried about my CT being down on power and after driving it I couldn’t be happier. Everything it does is an experience. I’ve never felt so fully connected to a vehicle as I feel in the 911.

Yeah I can understand this. I’m pretty damn connected to my C2S……more now than ever.

[toprarnen]

I just came back from building a GTS to see the price with matching features to the M2 I want (heated steering, $650 paint, improved lights, etc.) and the build came out to $105k 😬 My M2 sits at $66k all in with delivery

[matty_f]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

In California, north of $250k is the norm for a new or used GT3. It is not uncommon to see a GT3 listed at $300k here.

Not trying to be argumentative. Only a few idiots paid $300k for a GT3 and that was back in the peak. Even a touring in 2023, or a Manthey peaked at 300k, but those are corner cases. The market is 200-250k and as far as I know there are no new allocations.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by matty_f

Not trying to be argumentative. Only a few idiots paid $300k for a GT3 and that was back in the peak. Even a touring in 2023, or a Manthey peaked at 300k, but those are corner cases. The market is 200-250k and as far as I know there are no new allocations.

MANY people paid over sticker in the $300k range, especially those who were the first people who received allocations during the first year/year & a half of the 992 GT3’s existence. It wasn’t just “idiots”. If people want/wanted an allocation, you have/had to pay to play. Even when I had a hook-up, the dealership was asking $75k-over; my hook-up was trying for $50k…..which would have put my total cost at $250k. It’s like saying only an idiot pays $500k for a $240k GT3RS. Again, you pay to play, and in most markets the ADM’s are ridiculous. In the markets that didn’t charge ADM (…which were few and far between), they didn’t sell to out-of-area buyers and they didn’t have allocations.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by toprarnen

I just came back from building a GTS to see the price with matching features to the M2 I want (heated steering, $650 paint, improved lights, etc.) and the build came out to $105k 😬 My M2 sits at $66k all in with delivery

EOL2025 MY as I understand it, so the lack of availability has driven prices up, and for the last model year they add a bunch of options. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a modest ADM at unscrupulous dealers, or pressure to take an extended service plan or dealer applied PPF. Plus the interest rates through Porsche are 2% higher, although you could use your own bank or pay cash. So all in you’re probably looking at $130k. Can’t build one now - all the production slots must be taken, surely. There is some new inventory available, but the prices are already $120k-$125k from what I’ve seen on PorscheUSA inventory, excluding any “add-ons” from dealers.

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by toprarnen

I just came back from building a GTS to see the price with matching features to the M2 I want (heated steering, $650 paint, improved lights, etc.) and the build came out to $105k 😬 My M2 sits at $66k all in with delivery

Not to mention unless you buying the Base 718 you paying dealer markup for sure.... Even still today you are better off buying a used GTS and getting what you get. But still these two cars are so different for an apple to apples. The 2 series doesn't really have much competition in its space so it makes sense they pit the mid engine cars against it.

[toprarnen]

Originally Posted by Tenac

The 2 series doesn't really have much competition in its space so it makes sense they pit the mid engine cars against it.

I'm totally fine with that, but they should have compared it against the base Cayman given the price, or the S at a stretch

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I can see that. You’re not the only Porsche fan that shares such a sentiment. For me, the 992 is more attractive so that’s the direction I went. Two years in with my C2S and I couldn’t be happier.

Dude, come on, in my favorite Porsche color too? That looks so good, if I wasn't in my G87, i would find a way to stetch my budget for that. Hell even my wife wants a chalk Macan lol.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Dude, come on, in my favorite Porsche color too? That looks so good, if I wasn't in my G87, i would find a way to stetch my budget for that. Hell even my wife wants a chalk Macan lol.

Haha! Thanks bro. I lusted after a Chalk 911 ever since the 991. To finally get one checked that last box for me (…sort of; I still want a 992 GT3 so bad).

[flexspec]

Originally Posted by wjones14

I have never driven a Porsche but have no doubt they're the incredible driving experience like everyone says they are. But for me, I could never own one because they're too over-the-top. That's just me trying to stay under the radar. Would love to drive a Porsche but couldn't see myself going to the local CVS with one. I get a few comments now and then like "nice car" but mostly my M2 goes unnoticed, and I like that.

No shade whatsoever on Porsche owners. I see plenty of them when I do track days, have talked to a bunch of them, and have a lot of respect for the brand. It's just not me.

Your post resonated with me.
From my experience, pcars stands out among exotic car brands for being somewhat understated. And this is what attracted me to the brand.
I drive it to CVS, grocery shopping, and occasional dinners out. My previous car, a satin-wrapped Yas Marina blue F80, turned heads all the time, attracting attention from both men and women. However, the pcar tends to draw interest mainly from car enthusiasts; to most people, it doesn't stand out from other pcars (apart from the wing) and just blends into the background — I attribute this to the classic Porsche silhouette.

Interestingly, I've noticed that people over 40 stare as if caught in a trance or nod with deep understanding, while those under 25 get a kick out of my vanity plate. There is not a single time I’m driven it where multiple people haven’t taken pictures of it.. as for the car….they could care less.

I tend to keep a low profile in general. My everyday car is a 2006 330i with a manual transmission (140k miles with the same clutch when I bought her).

You will find your understated style very much aligns with the Porsche brand. I’ll even go as far as saying buying a pcar for attention is a very poor investment — very few people can tell them apart. There are many other manufacturers that fit the bill.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by flexspec

Interestingly, I've noticed that people over 40 stare as if caught in a trance or nod with deep understanding, while those under 25 get a kick out of my vanity plate. There is not a single time I’m driven it where multiple people haven’t taken pictures of it.. as for the car….they could care less.

This exactly. I had a silver F80 because I didn't want it to stand out and be a bit subdued because the car was for my enjoyment only....like someone said - to make commutes fun, and did it deliver. But even then I'd constantly get 20-30 somethings and santas with their gold chains driving Corvettes wanting to race on the highway, tailgating, and turning into passive aggressive asshats in traffic when they spotted the F80 (and I live in a state with a population of just over 1 million people, so can't imagine how this plays out in FL or CA). Hoping the M2 doesn't trigger these kind of people like the F80 did, I'm just taking my on and off ramps way too quickly because it makes me smile on my way to and from work.

Take the Porsche out and it only gets thumbs up and smiles from those into P-cars, and a lot of people taking pictures of my plate (FAHRT - a german pun if you will, consistent with the fecophiliac theme I have going on). No-one wanting to race and none of that passive-aggressive behavior the F80 seemed to garnish. Otherwise it's just ignored - agree the over 40 crowd are the ones who seem most into it. I think if you want attention in a P-car, get it in a paint to sample skittle color and one with a big wing, otherwise no-one has a clue what it is or what its capable of unless they are a car person. And I like talking to car folks...

[abrandonment]

Ironically there are far fewer M2s in the Austin area than there are new 911s (great news imo). Still.. less conspicuous.

[ourlee]

otherwise no-one has a clue what it is or what its capable of unless they are a car person. And I like talking to car folks...

I drove an Emira a year? ago at a dealer event and spent lots of time on Emiraforum before the cars showed themselves to have shit show build quality. I laughed as Brits started receiving their cars and out in the wild LOVED when folks ran up and asked if it was a Ferrari. You know who I DONT want to chat with at WAWA, someone who doesn’t know the difference between an Emira and a Ferrari.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by ourlee

otherwise no-one has a clue what it is or what its capable of unless they are a car person. And I like talking to car folks...

I drove an Emira a year? ago at a dealer event and spent lots of time on Emiraforum before the cars showed themselves to have shit show build quality. I laughed as Brits started receiving their cars and out in the wild LOVED when folks ran up and asked if it was a Ferrari. You know who I DONT want to chat with at WAWA, someone who doesn’t know the difference between an Emira and a Ferrari.

Man I miss Wawa!

[ourlee]

There are so many in my town my wife and I differentiate them by saying ‘our Wawa’
“Meet at our WAWA”

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by toprarnen

I just came back from building a GTS to see the price with matching features to the M2 I want (heated steering, $650 paint, improved lights, etc.) and the build came out to $105k �� My M2 sits at $66k all in with delivery

105k. LOL.

I'd feel like such a schmuck putting that kind of cash down for this car.

M2: An extra 50k in the bank, no worries about actually driving it, and no Porsche image. M2 all day.

[toprarnen]

Originally Posted by Neusser

105k. LOL.

I'd feel like such a schmuck putting that kind of cash down for this car.

M2: An extra 50k in the bank, no worries about actually driving it, and no Porsche image. M2 all day.

There's definitely a premium when it comes to buying a Porsche. I'm sure the 911 does something special, I just wasn't into it when I drove one, the Cayman, that is. I'm trying to understand the culture of brands a little better as I'm coming from an older IS350.

One thing Porsche really does well though, is the dealer experience, minus the somewhat-pretentious nature of that that interaction. BMW dealers just feel like other mass-market dealerships.

Agreed that the M2 is the better buy; that's why I'm still in line for it

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by toprarnen

There's definitely a premium when it comes to buying a Porsche. I'm sure the 911 does something special, I just wasn't into it when I drove one, the Cayman, that is. I'm trying to understand the culture of brands a little better as I'm coming from an older IS350.

One thing Porsche really does well though, is the dealer experience, minus the somewhat-pretentious nature of that that interaction. BMW dealers just feel like other mass-market dealerships.

Agreed that the M2 is the better buy; that's why I'm still in line for it

A good dealer experience for me is going in, testing, agreeing quickly on a reasonable price, and returning about a week later to pick up the car in no less than about a half hour.

I have no interest whatsoever in someone pretending I am special for driving a BMW or a Porsche. I tend to abhor pretty much all corporate experiences.

[toprarnen]

Originally Posted by Neusser

A good dealer experience for me is going in, testing, agreeing quickly on a reasonable price, and returning about a week later to pick up the car in no less than about a half hour.

I have no interest whatsoever in someone pretending I am special for driving a BMW or a Porsche. I tend to abhor pretty much all corporate experiences.

Hahaha, I can appreciate that perspective

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by abrandonment

Ironically there are far fewer M2s in the Austin area than there are new 911s (great news imo). Still.. less conspicuous.

Very same in Sydney Australia, I rarely see another G87 M2, Porsches on the other hand are a frequent sight in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney. The M2 remains a bargain downumder compared to Porsches.

More importantly, if you look forward to driving your car you are definitely driving the right car....loving the whole M2 experience (and I have owned 2 Porsches).

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

Very same in Sydney Australia, I rarely see another G87 M2, Porsches on the other hand are a frequent sight in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney. The M2 remains a bargain downumder compared to Porsches.

More importantly, if you look forward to driving your car you are definitely driving the right car....loving the whole M2 experience (and I have owned 2 Porsches).

Same here. I’ve seen 2 M2’s in the last couple months, but I see Porsches nearly every day. Of course the M2 has been out for a short time and supply has been constrained. But just yesterday I saw a 992 and a few boxsters of various generations and a GT4 cayman. I didn’t see any G8x out there (besides mine of course).

The benefit of owning and driving a modern BMW M2 or M3, there is no worry of a massive/unusual depreciation hit, maintenance cost or unwanted attention (depending on the color).

911 prices around here in the US - and this is one of the lowest price areas globally, inclusive of tax - are crazy. Base 992 at $140k, T $155k, S $165k, GTS $190k, Targa GTS $220k, Turbo S $250k. These are non GT cars! 5 years ago the prices were $40k lower. As a result, you don’t see them racking up the miles. I see far more 991’s or 997’s out there being enjoyed while the 992’s are garage queens. I think the same goes for the 718 - a base car at $90-95k?! It’s the EOL insanity.

[toprarnen]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

I think the same goes for the 718 - a base car at $90-95k?! It’s the EOL insanity.

When I received my Base/S allocation last year, I opted for PASM, sports Chrono, wheels, and some other small niceties (leather touch points, heated seats, etc.) and ended up with an $80k build. I backed out because I just couldn't see the value. It's really unfortunate that, as my income gradually increased, the base price increased by $10k over the course of two years, to the point where I just didn't feel good about spending the money. The M2 certainly feels better at ~$65k, but I honestly wish I liked the Type R more at ~$45. This hobby certainly isn't for poor people