[**335i**]

Originally Posted by RR80

Please make the AT map works on vintage DME... I know I am lazy to take out all my mod and drive far to my dealer to get the software update. Also my dealer will ask me to give them reason for doing that

i am with u i have 2008 03 car no dme msd81 soft updates for me cos i have pre 29.2 (29.1)

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

Shiv, with the knowledge you've collected and experience with sniffing CANBus packets, can you introduce a channel for us Procede users to display the DME version we have on the Procede software?

This way we can know what software we are running on our cars with the tune. Makes diagnostics even better for us tunning and diagnosing problems that arises.

Originally Posted by 2kaccordocoupe

Why would you want a tune to do this since the value is pretty static unless you are getting an update every day...

Take your key into a service center and have them read it and give you a key print out. The info you are looking for is printed on the page.

Just like you have a channel for current map selection. It's just inform you of what you have without changing value. I wouldn't know why wouldn't anyone not want this as this will save you a trip to dealer as you say.

This feature will also have the community compare the problems & benefits they have with their cars just like they do now with maps, mods, transmission type, tunes, etc...

[Rico135i]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

I fear that the location of the fan relay on models fitted with BMW's optional power performance kit (PPK) -- and those models on which it is standard (335is, Z435is and 1M) -- may preclude use of the PWM kit.

For those interested, take a look at the diagram on page 16 of the linked PPK installation instructions.

http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...6&d=1260466979

EDIT: I just looked at close-up picture of the N54 in the 1M and the fan relay has been relocated (can't tell where). This may also be the case on the 335is and Z435is, so it looks like the PWM kit *may* fit these models. However, it does not appear that it will fit -- without revision -- those models in which the PPK components were not incorporated in the "standard" package and where the PPK kit was later added as an option.

Neil

Was at Bimmerfest and hung out with Rob, Jason, and Huy. I saw the meth kit setup and it will indeed fit with an AFE intake AND the PPK. the power steering and PPK relay will be moved. The bracket holding them will be replaced with the supplied pump mount. So no worries my friend.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by Rico135i

Was at Bimmerfest and hung out with Rob, Jason, and Huy. I saw the meth kit setup and it will indeed fit with an AFE intake AND the PPK. the power steering and PPK relay will be moved. The bracket holding them will be replaced with the supplied pump mount. So no worries my friend.

Excellent!

Neil

[EastBayE90]

Originally Posted by Rico135i

Was at Bimmerfest and hung out with Rob, Jason, and Huy. I saw the meth kit setup and it will indeed fit with an AFE intake AND the PPK. the power steering and PPK relay will be moved. The bracket holding them will be replaced with the supplied pump mount. So no worries my friend.

Yup I can confirm that as well. The PPK relay can easily be moved and will not interfere with the meth kit. Rico135 it was nice meeting you at fest. Still cant get over the champagne color love it!!!! I wish my e90 was that color lol

[ridin135]

Is there specific v5 procede user software or can i use the Procede v4 user software that is on their website?

[blacknbean]

Originally Posted by ridin135

Is there specific v5 procede user software or can i use the Procede v4 user software that is on their website?

must use v5 software also on vishnu site

[dirtmaster666]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Hi guys,
Have new maps/firmware ready for release. Been testing it for the last month along with the new PWM meth system. Finally managed to integrate some stuff that we've been wanting to do for some time. As a result, we've addressed the following items that some users reported. Among them:

-random farting wastegate solenoid noise at idle
-subtle light throttle boost oscillation (3000-4000rpm)
-extended crank at start-up
-cruise control deactivation

I've done testing on the 4 n54 we have here at the shop. Unfortunately, they are all 6MTs. So that the only map I'd like to release right now. We have 6AT/7DCT maps ready to go but I'm going to wait until I get do test it myself which will take another few days.

In the meantime, if you have a 6MT and want to test this update, please email me at shiv@vishnutuning.com and put "6MT 5-10 Beta" in the subject. I'll be sending out both a DIC enabled and a DIC disabled map so you can see for yourself what you prefer.

Cheers!
shiv

sorry for my ignorance but what is the difference between dic and dic disabled.. what does it mean... what does it do?

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by dirtmaster666

sorry for my ignorance but what is the difference between dic and dic disabled.. what does it mean... what does it do?

DIC stands for Dynamic Ignition Correction. One of the maps has that enabled, and the other doesn't. It affects the way the Procede manages timing from my understanding. I haven't tested the non-DIC map for comparison, but I am pleased with how the DIC enabled maps feel. Try them both and choose for yourself.

[BMW1986]

Had my car updated with 43.3 software or something like that along with the DME software as well. Shiv, is this what you are referring to?

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by BMW1986

Had my car updated with 43.3 software or something like that along with the DME software as well. Shiv, is this what you are referring to?

Look at the traction control symbol on your dash. If it's the new one then you have the software Shiv is talking about

[MusclezMarinara]

Sent via electronic mail

[topspin]

Just picked up my car from the dealership and I have the new software. My car is completely stocks at the moment.

I'm thinking about waiting for an update with fixes but it may not be worth the wait.

How painful are the problems between the procede and the new sw version?

[enrita]

Originally Posted by topspin

Just picked up my car from the dealership and I have the new software. My car is completely stocks at the moment.

I'm thinking about waiting for an update with fixes but it may not be worth the wait.

How painful are the problems between the procede and the new sw version?

shiv just based the new maps on the newest software and old ones so i dont see why there should be any painful problems with the pre-beta 5-10 maps. Just wait for them to be released to the public as Beta maps instead of the 3-30.

[OpenFlash]

Should have traction control enables very soon fwiw.

[Syndicategt]

FYI, 5-10 DIC AT maps running VERY well and even with my PWM-V meth kit All minor issues with 3-30 have been cleared up.

Will email you some logs once the rain stops, hopefully it will dry up by tonight for some drag racing at Sac.

[Papajim]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Should have traction control enables very soon fwiw.

Amen!!!

[BMW1986]

The 6AT updates are now available?

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Should have traction control enables very soon fwiw.

as in we'll be able to set something to leave traction control off by default?

[chumley]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

FYI, 5-10 DIC AT maps running VERY well and even with my PWM-V meth kit All minor issues with 3-30 have been cleared up.

Will email you some logs once the rain stops, hopefully it will dry up by tonight for some drag racing at Sac.

Loaded the 5-10 6MT DIC map last night and have only had a chance to do about 10 miles of in-traffic driving at part to moderate throttle. However, start-up was instantaneous this is without a doubt the smoothest power delivery of any map yet.

I just re-installed my PROcede after a dealer visit so the stock tune is fresh in my mind. Yes, when you go back to stock the car is SLOW but with every tune I've had there's always that sense of refinement that the stock tune provides - especially when you're driving in traffic and shifting slow and "lazy". This map is virtually indistinguishable from the stock levels of refinement. No fall off in power between slow shifts, absolute smooth, linear power in every gear, etc. Looking forward to getting it out on the highway for some pulls.

Also - While I'm admittedly not a student of deciphering every last detail of log files, my '09 6MT has never had any perceivable misfires, hesitation, error codes, or any other other unusual sounds/behavior with the PROcede.

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by BMW1986

The 6AT updates are now available?

6AT maps were emailed out to a few of us (email Shiv and maybe you can be so lucky)

I never had issues with 3-30 other than a split second hesitation on start, that's fixed now 5-10 pulls very smoothly with the AT, havn't had a chance to go WOT for more than a few seconds as the road conditions were bad.

[AltecBX]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

as in we'll be able to set something to leave traction control off by default?

I really doubt it. Shiv has told me many times this will never happen.



I believe they are going to re-enable this:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I have some good video from road testing today. I'll post it up once it is edited. Until then, here's a video of Procede v5's new Spark Retard-based Traction/Launch control system.

Unlike the factory traction control nannies, our sytsem is almost completely transparent to the driver. No hiccups, surges, bucking, etc,. But most important for performance, it allows a mild degree of wheelspin before intervening (with spark retard). And even better, the degree of Procede intervention is dependent upon the severity/duration of the wheelspin event!



Above is a datalog taken today on an empty backroad in Mexico. Just a bunch of 1st and 2nd gear romps on a completely dry surface. BMW traction control was FULLY defeated (DTC button held and pressed for a few seconds). Our 335 is fully modded and equipped with an aftermarket LSD. Running on 91oct, the Procede autotuned to 14.5psi and ~50% ignition correction. So pretty representative of typical power output.

Looking at the Ignition Correction graph, you can see how the amount of ignition correction relates to the severity of wheelspin. You can't really see wheelspin well in the logs since it is a computed value based upon calculated gear, the wheelspeed input, rate of RPM rise, etc,. But you can get a good idea of it by looking at the RPM graph. When you have severe uncontrolled wheelspin, you will see RPM will climb up sharply and steeply. When you see it go up and down like a saw-tooth, you have moderate wheelspin caused by the tires losing and regaining traction over and over again. When you see neither of these, you have full (or close to full) traction.

In the datalog, you can see the Procede react to every type of wheelslip condition quickly. In the video that I'll post sooh, you will see that the car can still be driven fast and slid about aggressively. But when traction is limited, you will notice that there is very little torque-induced gross wheelspin. Keep in mind that the Procede's traction control will never close the throttle or apply the brakes automatically. It simply reacts to wheel slippage by retarding up to 15 deg of timing which results in a short term engine torque loss of up to 150lb-ft.

And for those who want more allowable slip before the Procede intervenes (those running drag slicks for instance), you can adjust the Traction Threshold user adjustable upwards. Or turn the system off completely by inputting 100%.

And to make things even cooler, you can set up Map1 and Map2 to have different Traction Threshold values which. Combine that with the ability to have different Boost Response, boost level, etc,. values in each map, and you can set up one map to be a conservative daily driver/bad weather map that does everything it can to prevent wheelspin. And the other to be a balls-out, drifting map!

And this is just the beginning

Shiv

PS. I'll get my hands on a 6AT car this week to demonstrate the Launch Control aspect of this feature. That's also very cool. And expect all these goodies to be ported over to the n55 firmware within the next couple of weeks.

PSS. I imagine both the Traction and Launch Control feature will be even more useful for those without LSDs.

Shiv, will this ever happen?

Originally Posted by AltecBX

Shiv, with the knowledge you've collected and experience with sniffing CANBus packets, can you introduce a channel for us Procede users to display the DME version we have on the Procede software?

This way we can know what software we are running on our cars with the tune. Makes diagnostics even better for us tunning and diagnosing problems that arises.