[WoodE30]

Originally Posted by Jet-Black

Thank you WoodE30,

The issue, as I see it, is that there is a clear disconnect between the intent of the recall and its implementation and administration.

The Recall was issued because it was uncovered that the injectors were failing making it that the vehicles were not meeting the Emission Standards as required by the USA Emission Regulatory Body (That's why people in CANADA are not benefiting). The original intent was to bring the vehicles up to par so they could comply with the emission regulation; However, the BMW Service Centers administrated the recall erroneously. They went ahead and followed the specific instructions that asked to only replace injectors that failed. The problem, as I understand it, was that the SAs were removing the vehicles from the recall list/database after just replacing 1, 2 injectors, or a full bank. That was the error in administrating this recall.

As far as I know, there was no time stamp on the initial recall; because of this, all injectors placed on those vehicles were "covered" under this recall and if there is even 1 old injector on any of them, should still show in the list/database as needing the recall, because the vehicles are still not complying with Emission Standard.
That's the core argument that needs to be brought forward. It actually was a simple procedural error they made.

Just let me know, what you think,

That's interesting information and I'm not disagreeing with it.

From my experience with recalls, let's say for instance what you said is the situation for most of our cars where only "some" or the injectors were replaced and not all. If that was the case BMW would know about it and would more in likely issue a completely new recall to address it. Unfortunately I don't think that's the situation.

Early production fuel injector were extremely susceptive to failure. Let's say before index
4-5 (I don't know exactly what index numbers) That first initial recall address those injectors. Since then yes they're have still been issues with injectors but maybe not to the point of needing a recall on them.

This is my understanding of the most recent release of the SIb 130120 but I could be wrong. From dealerships point of view, if your vehicle's VIN doesn't come up for the recall then they are not able to performed it.

Hope this helps.

[Jet-Black]

WoodE30, I agree with you! and seems to me your comments help clarify a little more what I wrote before - THANK YOU. If you don’t mind, I will write under your comment for ease of reading.
If anyone is new reading this, please read my post earlier today 02/25/2020.

That's interesting information and I'm not disagreeing with it.

From my experience with recalls, let's say for instance what you said is the situation for most of our cars where only "some" or the injectors were replaced and not all. If that was the case BMW would know about it and would more in likely issue a completely new recall to address it. Unfortunately I don't think that's the situation.


My follow up comment:
I don't think BMW USA is aware of the error that was being made at the Service Centers, hence the 2020 internal BMW amended procedure to rectify moving from an individual injector basis to a full 2 bank replacement fails. When I called the BMW USA line inquiring about it, I was informed that the revised/amended procedure was intended for internal use only. I believe, If BMW USA was aware of the errors, in this revision, BMW would have specified the recall should still be considered as ACTIVE recall on those vehicles not currently tagged on the list/database and their individual service history shows "some" injectors were replaced "but" not all. - I am saying this because I am assuming BMW USA would push down the work of finding out at the dealerships. Otherwise they would have to create a task force in New Jersey to go through ALL records of every single vehicle for tagging - (A recall on parts is an Active recall until such affected parts are replaced).

Early production fuel injector were extremely susceptive to failure. Let's say before index
4-5 (I don't know exactly what index numbers) That first initial recall address those injectors. Since then yes they're have still been issues with injectors but maybe not to the point of needing a recall on them.


My follow up comment:
The Emission Recall was based on the original parts (injectors) put on vehicles within that period of time, hence, if there is no DATE STAMP (Miles and or years "whatever comes first), then it should not matter because the vehicles are still not in compliance with the Emissions Regulation.

This is my understanding of the most recent release of the SIb 130120 but I could be wrong. From dealerships point of view, if your vehicle's VIN doesn't come up for the recall then they are not able to performed it.

My follow up comment:
I don't blame the dealerships, they want to make sure they get paid. However, as I mentioned, the original Intent of the recall was never accomplished. That's why BMW USA should have done something on the lines of what I wrote as my first comment above.

An example for evaluation.
Lets say, I purchased one of these 335is in 2007 or 2008, had the bank 1 injectors replaced under recall at 53K miles on it (i think warranty ended at 50K at the time). Then 2 months later, bank 2 started failing. I went back for replacement under recall and was told sorry. Your car is no longer eligible because it doesn't show on the list (they removed it 2 months earlier). - I got tired of dealing with it and parked it until yesterday. The result is that today in 2020, BMW issues a rectification of the recall and I still have a pristine 335i with 53k miles that does not meet Emission Standards. All because of bad internal communications between BMW USA and the Service Centers who removed the tag from the list/database indicating the recall work was completed.

It all reads as if the intent of the original recall was meant to be completed on an Injector basis until ALL injectors were replaced. An error was made at the service centers, uncovered 12/13 yeas later in 2020 and BMW USA issued an amendment to it, BUT once again was not specific enough on its implementation. (A recall on parts is an Active recall until such affected parts are replaced)

I think the issue is not what they service centers recognize/read out of this amended recall today, but what BMW USA would do to clarify if we all bring this forward together.

- The issue, I believe is communications, paperwork and wording (or lack of) . - I do believe on BMWs best attempts to abide by the Emissions Controls and Standards.

[BrutalN54]

Originally Posted by Jet-Black

An example for evaluation.
Lets say, I purchased one of these 335is in 2007 or 2008, had the bank 1 injectors replaced under recall at 53K miles on it (i think warranty ended at 50K at the time). Then 2 months later, bank 2 started failing. I went back for replacement under recall and was told sorry. Your car is no longer eligible because it doesn't show on the list (they removed it 2 months earlier). - I got tired of dealing with it and parked it until yesterday. The result is that today in 2020, BMW issues a rectification of the recall and I still have a pristine 335i with 53k miles that does not meet Emission Standards. All because of bad internal communications between BMW USA and the Service Centers who removed the tag from the list/database indicating the recall work was completed.

It all reads as if the intent of the original recall was meant to be completed on an Injector basis until ALL injectors were replaced. An error was made at the service centers, uncovered 12/13 yeas later in 2020 and BMW USA issued an amendment to it, BUT once again was not specific enough on its implementation. (A recall on parts is an Active recall until such affected parts are replaced)

I think the issue is not what they service centers recognize/read out of this amended recall today, but what BMW USA would do to clarify if we all bring this forward together.

- The issue, I believe is communications, paperwork and wording (or lack of) . - I do believe on BMWs best attempts to abide by the Emissions Controls and Standards.

I agree with u 100%.. since they scanned injectors which were faulty, they should undoubtedly have record of which individual injectors have and have not been replaced... BMW needs to do right by going thru the records of vehicles with the possibly affected MY's and REOPEN their injector recall status in order for us to be able to get this problem rectified.

[JamieNoelle]

I just called my local dealers, yes BOTH, because why not.. and both said they have nothing on this one, and that i'm not covered. BOO. Because i'm currently having an issue that has to do with the injectors, so they need to get on board... $700 later it's atleast running though, and I refuse to buy a different project car!

[BrutalN54]

Originally Posted by JamieNoelle

I just called my local dealers, yes BOTH, because why not.. and both said they have nothing on this one, and that i'm not covered. BOO. Because i'm currently having an issue that has to do with the injectors, so they need to get on board... $700 later it's atleast running though, and I refuse to buy a different project car!

$700 for all 6 injectors?? Index 12?

[335e92tx]

I got a 13IS -


Vin ends in - J217262
Year: 2013



I got a call weds that said there is an open recall for my car - due to go in on wed March 4- MyBMW says
0 open recalls for that vin.

0 open recall for your vehicle
Database last updated on February 28, 2020


Word on the IS FB forum is that they check for -11 or -12 index injectors and replace if not present.

[BrutalN54]

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

I got a 13IS -


Vin ends in - J217262
Year: 2013



I got a call weds that said there is an open recall for my car - due to go in on wed March 4- MyBMW says
0 open recalls for that vin.

0 open recall for your vehicle
Database last updated on February 28, 2020


Word on the IS FB forum is that they check for -11 or -12 index injectors and replace if not present.

REALLY?? Hmm alright... well, keep us updated my friend. We need to know how this goes

[4 Doors]

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

I got a 13IS -


Vin ends in - J217262
Year: 2013



I got a call weds that said there is an open recall for my car - due to go in on wed March 4- MyBMW says
0 open recalls for that vin.

0 open recall for your vehicle
Database last updated on February 28, 2020


Word on the IS FB forum is that they check for -11 or -12 index injectors and replace if not present.

This thread is for early N54 engines, not later build models such as yours. So different service bulletin/recall.

[SlimE92]

Hmm March 4th is in a couple of days...

Let's wait and see,

I'm going to hope for the best but expect the worst.

[335e92tx]

Just got a call - they are replacing all 6.

[SlimE92]

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

Just got a call - they are replacing all 6.

We need more details!

Did they confirm the recall?

What index are you currently on

[335e92tx]

Originally Posted by SlimE92

We need more details!

Did they confirm the recall?

What index are you currently on

Got me - All it says on the repair order is B130619
Ill try to get the index number of the injectors.
Never has had rough cold starts..


edit
getbmwparts says the car has 079 injectors (which I thought were -12s)

2013 BMW 335is Fuel System Components 13-53-8-616-079

[4 Doors]

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

Got me - All it says on the repair order is B130619
Ill try to get the index number of the injectors.
Never has had rough cold starts..


edit
getbmwparts says the car has 079 injectors (which I thought were -12s)

2013 BMW 335is Fuel System Components 13-53-8-616-079

Again, your car is under a different recall based on model year. This thread is for early N54-based vehicles (2007-2008).

[335e92tx]

Originally Posted by 4 Doors

Again, your car is under a different recall based on model year. This thread is for early N54-based vehicles (2007-2008).

Ace,, I dont think its 'for' anything, other than N54s that have injector recalls. But you just carry that torch. Information is just that. Take it or dont.

Obviously, there ARE people here that DO have an interest

Originally Posted by SlimE92

We need more details!

Did they confirm the recall?

What index are you currently on

[DropOff]

Update for anyone who is still looking into this and wants to know if their vehicle is covered. After speaking to the service department head and a BMW of North America representative I was told that this is not a new campaign, it is an update to the existing campaign from 2010. If you do not fall into the 2010 campaign then you do not fit in now, even if your car was produced within this range. To qualify for this recall you need to have a car produced between 04/01/2007 and 11/30/2008 with fuel injectors that have the part number 13 53 7 537 317-xx or 13 53 7 565 138-01 up to 7 565 138-07. If you have Injectors with the part number 13 53 7 585 261 04-08 or have had this addressed previously then you will not be getting new injectors. The only thing that has changed is that now every injector must be replaced if you fit into the recall, it is no longer only replacing faulty injectors.

[Zedxadam]

The excuses BMW NA are giving me is that the recall does not come up when they enter my VIN and that my BMW, with a build date of 04/17/07, is outside of the 10 year recall window. I'm so bummed, lol. How has someone not made better and cheaper aftermarket injectors by now?

[Riceball777]

Has anyone with a 2007 or 2008 335i actually have this recall done this year? my 2007 335 falls under this and i called my dealer and they said since there are no recalls under my vin they will not do anything. My car has a mix of index 2 and index 9 and index 12 injectors in my car. my car fax shows that there was never a recall done for injectors on my car

[Joeyy_e92]

Originally Posted by Riceball777

Has anyone with a 2007 or 2008 335i actually have this recall done this year? my 2007 335 falls under this and i called my dealer and they said since there are no recalls under my vin they will not do anything. My car has a mix of index 2 and index 9 and index 12 injectors in my car. my car fax shows that there was never a recall done for injectors on my car

Unfortunately that was a revised recall and it's only eligible for people who didn't do the 2011 recall when they checked/replaced only the faulty injectors with index 9s therefore most of us are not getting it. Also some recalls seem not to show up on carfax since my car did go through the 2011 recall as well had an hpfp and lots of stuff replaced yet carfax has zero info on that😢😢

[AndyW]

Originally Posted by Joeyy_e92

Unfortunately that was a revised recall and it's only eligible for people who didn't do the 2011 recall when they checked/replaced only the faulty injectors with index 9s therefore most of us are not getting it. Also some recalls seem not to show up on carfax since my car did go through the 2011 recall as well had an hpfp and lots of stuff replaced yet carfax has zero info on that😢😢

How do you check if your car got the 2011 recall then? I assume BMW NA keeps a record?

[Hoody007]

Originally Posted by AndyW

How do you check if your car got the 2011 recall then? I assume BMW NA keeps a record?

Yes. I’ve gone to two different dealerships attempting to get my 335i’s injectors replaced, and they have a record of when the recall was performed and exactly what was replaced. For me, three injectors and six decouplers were replaced at 17,000 miles in 2012 with Index 7s under the original recall, and thus, I am not eligible for this updated recall. The updated recall (under SIB 120130) does not show up in the BMW dealer database either, so I’m not sure if it has been pulled since January.

[Sergio]

Hi, my n54 335 2009 was built in sept 2008 therefore according to recall notice I meet the dates.

When I call BMW NA my VIN does not show it as eligible.

Agent plays to book well and claims that even though the requirement is net on paper the system must flag my vin as eligible for fuel injector recall

So in 2016 I got the HFPF replaced under extended warranty. They did not change the fuel injectors.

Today I have leaky fuel injectors index 7 (original) and they refused to change it under the recall.

How hard do I push?

1) Do I get it done at dealer and pay stealer price around 3.5k and take them to small claim court.

2) go to an Indy shop and pay around 2.2k and still take them to small claim court

3) escalate this with BMW NA and waste my time with staff that are brainwashed and programmed to follow protocols even though a glitch may exist in system...

Thanks for your support on this!!

Sergio

[BrutalN54]

Originally Posted by Sergio

Hi, my n54 335 2009 was built in sept 2008 therefore according to recall notice I meet the dates.

When I call BMW NA my VIN does not show it as eligible.

Agent plays to book well and claims that even though the requirement is net on paper the system must flag my vin as eligible for fuel injector recall

So in 2016 I got the HFPF replaced under extended warranty. They did not change the fuel injectors.

Today I have leaky fuel injectors index 7 (original) and they refused to change it under the recall.

How hard do I push?

1) Do I get it done at dealer and pay stealer price around 3.5k and take them to small claim court.

2) go to an Indy shop and pay around 2.2k and still take them to small claim court

3) escalate this with BMW NA and waste my time with staff that are brainwashed and programmed to follow protocols even though a glitch may exist in system...

Thanks for your support on this!!

Sergio

Tbh, just drop the money on a new set of index 12's from FCPEURO.. that's the only way ur gna get a good deal on injectors that ur car NEEDS..

trust me, that TSB or "recall" is a waste of time.. so much misinformation has been spread about this...

So dnt even waste ur time... go here - https://www.bmwusa.com/safety-and-emission-recalls.html and enter ur VIN; it'll say right there exactly which recalls ur car is still eligible for, if any at all...

Believe me, u have no idea how many hours on hours I wasted on this "urban legend"... if that website says ur VIN has zero recalls, then sadly, that's exactly what any BMW stealership will tell u because that's what they see as well