[jjbirch]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Viv, took me ages to write up that first post. It will not need deleting

with you all the way m8,

[Dr.Crap]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Viv, took me ages to write up that first post. It will not need deleting

Yeah just delete the stuff in the middle

pages 2-10

[vivekk]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Viv, took me ages to write up that first post. It will not need deleting

For once, this isn't about you, Carl, so don't worry.

Viv

[somaD]

Originally Posted by e-maps

LOL, I like it. Maybe it is DMS maybe not, hopefully we will find out

The "Damos or A2L" is a very BIG give away.......

Ah people always assume those working with Damos are a tuner. There's also alot of people who have damos and don't know what they have. Of course you can make your own when your an INCA user. Hope that helps

[e-maps]

Originally Posted by somaD

Ah people always assume those working with Damos are a tuner. There's also alot of people who have damos and don't know what they have. Of course you can make your own when your an INCA user. Hope that helps

Interesting, I would not agree many people have Damos files, firstly as you probably know it is Illegal to have a damos in your possession as they are the owner of the originator, Bosch, Siemens ect ect.

Interesting post you made on another forum yesterday:

A large proportion of 'tuners' have professional tuners supply them their tuning, you might find this list of tuners supply a large proportion of the others; http://www.evc.de/en/service/links.asp

Seems you know a lot about the tuning world and whats used even though you wont say if you are a tuner or not

[jwbmw]

Viv,

Have you arranged for the boxing ring at Buxton during UK5? It could help! As moderator you will naturally be in the middle of the ring keeping the warring factions under control.

[Ant397]

He he, as Street Fighter II said: Round 1, Fight!

[vivekk]

Originally Posted by jwbmw

Viv,

Have you arranged for the boxing ring at Buxton during UK5? It could help! As moderator you will naturally be in the middle of the ring keeping the warring factions under control.

Jason,

The boxing ring was originally going to be organised for Steve & Calvin, but perhaps I should now have another one set-up.

Right now, I'm in the mood to get in there & do some punching & Blanka-style electrocution myself.



Viv

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by jjbirch

with you all the way m8,

Originally Posted by Dr.Crap

Yeah just delete the stuff in the middle

pages 2-10

Why, do you think its a load of Crap DR..?!

Originally Posted by vivekk

For once, this isn't about you, Carl, so don't worry.

Viv

[Dr.Crap]

maybe all the tuners could write in with all their 'measurements' and then we could declare a winner

[Ant397]

Originally Posted by Dr.Crap

maybe all the tuners could write in with all their 'measurements' and then we could declare a winner

There could never be a winner.

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Ant397

There could never be a winner.

Well there could quite easily be a champion among champions.................

















































































































WHOEVER MAKES THE BEST TEA

[Ant397]

Earl Grey or Darjeeling Vicar?

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by Ant397

Earl Grey or Darjeeling Vicar?

PG Tips for me mate

[bAZbm]

320d E92??

Need it to move faster..

PLS HELP

BAZZA

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by bAZbm

320d E92??

Need it to move faster..

PLS HELP

BAZZA

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106924

[bluebottle]

Originally Posted by Ant397

There could never be a winner.

Agree with that.

There's a good reason why no single winner is possible, which has never quite been fully articulated in an otherwise interesting thread: there's an entire spectrum of optimal outcomes, based on how owners evaluate the performance vs. reliability vs. warrantied reliability considerations.

Some of this discussion has bogged down on how to evaluate the first of these, e.g. dyno vs. dragstrip. But the second and third element are even more difficult to measure: the only player with truly comprehensive data on the reliability tradeoffs is BMW, and they ain't sharing, for reasons which are understandable if not entirely forgivable. Add the legal dimension of realistic enforceability of either manufacturer or tuner liability for equipment failure, and it's truly a crapshoot.

That's not to give up. Despite the quality-control problems from frivolous or flamebait posts, threads such as this are valuable. It's up to every individual reader to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I'd be surprised if any reader who (a) is genuinely interested in exploring the purchase of a chip (& installation service) and (b) has read the thread all the way through, hasn't received some information they didn't already have on how to select a vendor.

As for me, I'm still interested in more data. I'd like a chipped 335d that delivers more than factory performance, but leaves the reliability equation substantially intact. One shouldn't need to challenge the legal coverage of BMW or 3rd-party warranties if one is looking for cost-effective enhanced-yet-not-quite-ultimate performance.

Unfortunately, I also recognise that the aftermarket tuners don't necessarily win by marketing at that not-quite-ultimate frontier. That, combined with their limited market, imposes inherent limits on the validity of their "R&D" results.

So much of what I'll evaluate, before plonking down hard-earned coin, is inherently anecdotal. And I gotta say, I pay attention to frustration stories. To pick just one example from the foregoing thread, I'm never going to send my business to "Miguel of Portugal". And that's not necessarily a reflection on tuning skills, but on customer management ones.

[Ant397]

I here you, but please dont let me stop you dealing with Miguel, he's actually quite a leader with remapping apparantly.

do any of you guys listen to the streets?

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by nico335

do any of you guys listen to the streets?

We are the streets, i came from the streets (car wise)

Carlos

[- Paul -]

The Streets aren't bad for Southerners ;-)

hehe

what about DnB? roni size perhaps? maybe even a bit of dieselboy?