Hybrid Turbo options and comparisons

shnaggs · 01-24-2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DWR

You did miss it. His was modded on both sides by Pro Turbo in Finland.

Ok thanks for clearing that up

DWR · 01-24-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tuikku

Maybe I'll try water/meth too.
To help this thing stay a one piece.

I hope you do. Because you are running a clean AFR, there is significant opportunity.

tuikku · 01-24-2016, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shnaggs

Ok thanks for clearing that up

There is a good reason why I do not show the hot side of my turbo.
I am not going to make this too easy for the "professionals", let them learn just by themselves. If they want to. But I have already made a favour to them, now they know that there is a solution to the problem.
Also in exhaust side, there are several improvements.
But WG is still original size. Porting it is not any improvement, it is only something you must do, when you got trouble in the hot side ...

Look carefully, what DWR wrote earlier about the thing.

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 01:11 AM

At least one "professional" turbo builder has the hot side figured out, more details to come from Jarek. There is a stage 2 hybrid setup capable of 470hp (with fuel upgrade of course) coming soon and yes, it has turbine mods.

TDIwyse · 01-25-2016, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DWR

You didn't add any fuel. ...

Correct. The fueling scenario was the same between all these tests.

tuikku · 01-25-2016, 08:12 AM

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Higher boost = higher working pressure in the cylinder, with these settings, without any mechanical changes.

tuikku · 01-25-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iaknown

At least one "professional" turbo builder has the hot side figured out, more details to come from Jarek. There is a stage 2 hybrid setup capable of 470hp (with fuel upgrade of course) coming soon and yes, it has turbine mods.

They just need a little "activation help".

Nickname: "Barking dog has spoken"

DWR · 01-25-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by iaknown

At least one "professional" turbo builder has the hot side figured out, more details to come from Jarek. There is a stage 2 hybrid setup capable of 470hp (with fuel upgrade of course) coming soon and yes, it has turbine mods.

At least one "professional" turbo builder can provide them now.
Hmm, 1+1 is ...

If everyone steps back a minute, it might be noticed that "putting 2 and 2 together" from recent posts, there is now another option no one has mentioned yet - no IWG on the hot side. Who can provide that today? Hint, there isn't just one right answer!

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tuikku

They just need a little "activation help".

Nickname: "Barking dog has spoken"

Not sure what you mean but supposedly this is already a tested and proven combination coming out of Poland.

Come on, Finland can't take all of the credit all of the time

HeatherM35d · 01-25-2016, 11:00 AM

Support USA, with American built products.

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HeatherM35d

Support USA, with American built products.

So sell our Bavarian BMW's and buy a Dodge?

HeatherM35d · 01-25-2016, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iaknown

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Originally Posted by HeatherM35d

Support USA, with American built products.

So sell our Bavarian BMW's and buy a Dodge?

Dodge is hardly American in my opinion these days. Try a peterbilt or kenworth if you're looking for a 'real American diesel'

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HeatherM35d

Dodge is hardly American in my opinion these days. Try a peterbilt or kenworth if you're looking for a 'real American diesel'

Very true! I think Toyota may be more American now lol, but I know you get my point

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DWR

At least one "professional" turbo builder can provide them now.
Hmm, 1+1 is ...

If everyone steps back a minute, it might be noticed that "putting 2 and 2 together" from recent posts, there is now another option no one has mentioned yet - no IWG on the hot side. Who can provide that today? Hint, there isn't just one right answer!

Hasn't this option been known for months now? lol Well, maybe to only a few of us

As Tdi has proven there is no doubt the EWG has a huge advantage, but until its offered as a ready-to-go bolt-on solution I think its safe to say the majority on this forum cannot consider it as an option. No credit taken from Tdi though as he's done an outstanding job making it work and proving to us that it does

Which makes me think, an EWG on a hybrid turbo car, hmmmm.

tuikku · 01-25-2016, 01:01 PM

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Have you ever thought that boost pressure control can be also in the exhaust pipe ?
Then, nothing disturbed's gas flow through the turbine.
You don`t "waste" any pressure.
Full response immediately, when gas flow again releases.
Butterfly flap.

Veryveryvery strange idea ... where were my evening medicines ....

DWR · 01-25-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob@BPC

Finally, if you want us to weld the gate closed and run an external wastegate, we can do that too.

If someone wanted an EWG, why would they want an IWG on the turbine side?
Let me be clear, a non wastegated turbine is an option, for those who also want a custom downpipe. Sorry if I wasn't being clear before.

petey_highboost · 01-25-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DWR

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Originally Posted by Bob@BPC

Finally, if you want us to weld the gate closed and run an external wastegate, we can do that too.

If someone wanted an EWG, why would they want an IWG on the turbine side?
Let me be clear, a non wastegated turbine is an option, for those who also want a custom downpipe. Sorry if I wasn't being clear before.

I think what Bob is trying to say is that if you wish to run an external gate he would weld the wastegate flap shut so it doesn't open up

DWR · 01-25-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by iaknown

Hasn't this option been known for months now? lol Well, maybe to only a few of us

.. but until its offered as a ready-to-go bolt-on solution I think its safe to say the majority on this forum cannot consider it as an option.

There is a bolt on solution, but it seems that no wants to hear it if it wasn't their idea or cannot come from their preferred source. That's OK. This is America, folks can make their own choices. No worries.

But come on man, you don't have a piggyback because you are following the crowd. Someone has a pave the way, right?

I'm going to be quiet now ... down to the southern workshop to plan some mods and sip some rum.

iaknown · 01-25-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DWR

There is a bolt on solution, but it seems that no wants to hear it if it wasn't their idea or cannot come from their preferred source. That's OK. This is America, folks can make their own choices. No worries.

But come on man, you don't have a piggyback because you are following the crowd. Someone has a pave the way, right?

I'm going to be quiet now ... down to the southern workshop to plan some mods and sip some rum.

Ahhh, I wasn't quite following you from the beginning then to be honest. I see where you're going now and am a bit intrigued

tuikku · 01-26-2016, 03:04 PM

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3 inch downpipe is good up to +++500hp - tested.

With bigger, hybrid vnt turbos, there is a big improvement to awakening by using large downpipe. Tested also, many times.
The bigger, the better.

335dsleeper · 01-26-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tuikku

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3 inch downpipe is good up to +++500hp - tested.

With bigger, hybrid vnt turbos, there is a big improvement to awakening by using large downpipe. Tested also, many times.
The bigger, the better.

I've made 827whp on a 3" downpipe on a 3.2l BMW gas engine... The downpipe isn't a restriction here.

petey_highboost · 01-26-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tuikku

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3 inch downpipe is good up to +++500hp - tested.

With bigger, hybrid vnt turbos, there is a big improvement to awakening by using large downpipe. Tested also, many times.
The bigger, the better.

I've made 827whp on a 3" downpipe on a 3.2l BMW gas engine... The downpipe isn't a restriction here.

I made 804whp on a 2L mitsubishi engine @ 43psi on e85 with a 3" full turbo back

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