[WilyB]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

if you read my post slowly, you'll see i said "~$700" which means around/roughly $700.

Wrong: $1085 Australian = $900 US as of today, not $700.

Are you misinformed or do you have an agenda?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by WilyB

Wrong: $1085 Australian = $900 US as of today, not $700.

Are you misinformed or do you have an agenda?

Search around and you can find it cheaper, I only searched for a 30 seconds and found a new one for $840. I'm sure they go as cheap as $790.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Welcome to USA, no one pays for another mans work if its not a must. Thats why theres so much pirating going on. And I'm sure if theres a need theres a will for someone to pull the firmware/maps from Procede and dump them on a Haltech.

but it would've been great if the world was so "clean"

Ha, a potential client.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Search around and you can find it cheaper, I only searched for a 30 seconds and found a new one for $840. I'm sure they go as cheap as $790.

Hey Terry, did you pay full price for the TT?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Hey Terry, did you pay full price for the TT?

Yes, even paid CA sales tax.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Yes, even paid CA sales tax.

I don't even want to tell you the price I was offered for a new one.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by lawdude

I don't even want to tell you the price I was offered for a new one.

I know they were on sale for awhile and a lot of guys took advantage of that. No problems here, I sold mine on the used market and I'm looking forward to my Xede.

[cheluto2]

Why do these two guys keep insisting that the PROcede is a Haltech? The PROcede, as per Shiv, is NOT a Haltech. He's explained it many times already.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...3&postcount=44
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=56

Give it up, stop trying to pass your comments as "facts" to get to those who don't check other posts. Enjoy your Xede's and go on, be happy you paid less and consider the produt to be enough for your needs. And if Shiv bought these units for "~$700", who cares? He's put enough time, effort and intellectual property in them to make it worth what he charges for them.

In other words... get a life!! You've been posting on these forums about the same topic all day. Do you work?

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

... theres nothing wrong with useing a haltech product and not a chiptorque product.

But at the end of the day, Shiv lied about his unit and gave the run around without saying hes selling a relabled Haltech unit which costs ~$700

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

fyi

Xede has its own software to create/edit maps.

And so does haltech/Procede which both products use the same identical software. Except that Shiv changed the logo.
Therefore shiv uses the haltech software because his unit is made by haltech.

I'm not trying to bash Procede, its a damn good product but at the end it is a haltech unit which you can purchase for much cheaper than shiv sells it for and you could upload the maps of your choice. (provided you know to work computers)

Originally Posted by Terry335

Maybe, maybe not. My point wasn't to do it cheaper, just that

A) The procede is a Haltech Interceptor and
B) Software is available for those Interceptor users that want to tweak things

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

if you read my post slowly, you'll see i said "~$700" which means around/roughly $700.

No i do not care if the procede was a relabled haltech, but Shiv did lose my trust when he lied about their product. He's selling a product and is lying to everyone saying its not a haltech when it is. It's not a big deal but trust is a big thing and he has Zero now.

[Calvin@Vishnu]

It's 3:30... how come nobody is at work? I am =P

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

It's 3:30... how come nobody is at work? I am =P

It is 6:30 PM on the East Coast. I am sipping Chardonnay!

[Cornhusker]

There are many ways that it doesn't have to be a haltech. It could use different components. Adding some or losing some. It could use different software. Shiv could have a contract with them to call it a different name. A competitor of thiers could have copied them and he is purchasing it through them, this competitor might have tweaked it/improved it/made it more conducive to adding all kinds of stuff.

Obviously the list goes on. Like I said before, AA is playing the role of "we'll share everything". because they have nothing to lose because everyone already knows what they have.
AA, you should know not to put yourself is such an obvious position and pass it off as meaningful. We didn't earn enough money to purchase BMW's by being stupid and excepting something at face value.
You should also know that it's impossible to win a forum battle. It's a losing battle, no matter what postition you take. It's human nature.

[bnj]

It's 1:30 AM. Waiting for the news about you getting stg1 map finally ready. Keep on working Calvin

[Cornhusker]

I'm on a dive boat in the cayman's waiting for them to finish making my dinner

[Big Tuna]

Just to clarify for my understanding...

Not releasing information such as supply chain, internal component design specs, firmware, and software that are necessary to maintain a competitive advantage is NOT ethical...and buying an off-the-shelf unit, and utilizing said intellectual property (firmware, software) without permission or compensation IS ethical?

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by WilyB

Wrong: $1085 Australian = $900 US as of today, not $700.

Are you misinformed or do you have an agenda?

[QOUTE=SFValley335i;895601]if you read my post slowly, you'll see i said "~$700" which means around/roughly $700.[/QOUTE]




Read what I said in BOLD

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by Big Tuna

Just to clarify for my understanding...

Not releasing information such as supply chain, internal component design specs, firmware, and software that are necessary to maintain a competitive advantage is NOT ethical...and buying an off-the-shelf unit, and utilizing said intellectual property (firmware, software) without permission or compensation IS ethical?

+1

[bmwzimmer]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

[QOUTE=SFValley335i;895601]if you read my post slowly, you'll see i said "~$700" which means around/roughly $700.[/QOUTE]




Read what I said in BOLD

Hey, you're close to 30% off in your estimates. That's percentage is much closer than you typically get on most of your post. Why don't you work on posting more accurate post?

[LOK11atXEDE]

And, just in case there was anyone who was actually interested in technical answers rather than slagging matches:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Regarding Digital Input/Outputs

1) VANOS control. Lachlan says he has not seen any gains. I have. You take your pick and ask when has VVT not been helpful in tuning a turbo car. You'll need at least 1 pair on digital inputs/outputs to phase change the CAS.

2) Speed limiter defeat. Requires the use of both a digital input and output. The input to read the orginal vehicle speed sensor and the output to generate a modified signal based upon the input.

3) Wastegate control. To drive the wastegate solenoids, a pair of inputs/ouputs will also be needed.

4) Timing control. Need both input and output.

So to control all of the above, you will need 4 digital inputs and 4 digital outputs.

PROcede has 4 digital inputs and 4 digital outputs
Xede has 1 digital input and 2 digital outputs last I checked.

Regards,
shiv

And that is exactly why it's difficult to compare these things, the "last I checked" comment is not helpful to people because, at any given point, (say right now), I can't know what all the PROcede functions are and you can't know what the XEDE functions are.

I'll translate this for you:

Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE
The 335i XEDE has at any one time - 2 potential Crank/VANOS In/Out Channels, 3 Analogue In/Out Channels, 1 Frequency In and 2 Additional High Current Drive outputs for Wastegate (Boost) Control or Methanol injection etc.

In the manner that you want to describe them (Digital Inputs etc.)
The 335 XEDE has 3 digital in and 5 digital out
and another 3 analogue in and 3 analogue out
and a switch circuit for dual map switching
and a power control pin so that the unit is not left powered 24/7

Now regards your point #1 above about VANOS: I've seen plenty of cars where a VVT change has been helpful in tuning a turbo car. Perhaps you've forgotten that in 2001, ChipTorque supplied the tuning software to Mazda Australia for the production of the MX5 SP Turbo (Miata). The changes to the VTT on that car were an integral part of converting an aspirated car into an emission compliant, strong turbo car.
What I said is that I have not seen any tangible gain by moving the VANOS on the 335. Sure, it could be done to say that you did it, but for what gain?

Regards

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

There are many ways that it doesn't have to be a haltech. It could use different components. Adding some or losing some. It could use different software. Shiv could have a contract with them to call it a different name. A competitor of thiers could have copied them and he is purchasing it through them, this competitor might have tweaked it/improved it/made it more conducive to adding all kinds of stuff.

The Procede might have a different firmware and might have a custom harness for the 335i. But the internals of both products I bet are 100% identical since they both run the same application to edit maps etc.

All in all, I myself and maybe others here just want Shiv to say PROcede is just a branch off of Haltechs unit. Or otherwise prove its not the same.

[bmwzimmer]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

The Procede might have a different firmware and might have a custom harness for the 335i. But the internals of both products I bet are 100% identical since they both run the same application to edit maps etc.

All in all, I myself and maybe others here just want Shiv to say PROcede is just a branch off of Haltechs unit. Or otherwise prove its not the same.

Your Bet is usually 30% off as we all know. So this must mean the Procede has 30% different component than Haltechs?

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

[QOUTE=SFValley335i;895601]if you read my post slowly, you'll see i said "~$700" which means around/roughly $700.

Just send me $200 and I will agree about your definition of what around roughly is.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

Hey, you're close to 30% off in your estimates. That's percentage is much closer than you typically get on most of your post. Why don't you work on posting more accurate post?

because giving a approximation is much easier and less time consuming than trying to looking up a # for people like you, To prove my case to.

But if you like I might be able to find you a link to one for ~$700