[MilehighM3]

You can pm me for all the details you want. I'm not a vendor or tuner, that you are correct. I am well aware of tuning effects at high altitude, too bad vendors are not. I don't take any ones advise as fact until I see it proven. To date there are only 2 tunes I would consider for an N54. Do I use a piggy now, yes. A good one, not by today's standards. I'll wait for a truly great solution prior to buying again. Bottom line of this epic thread fail is no add on unit controls timing, and there are way to many fan boys in here. I simply call out when I see bs and the typical fear mongering, then get bashed by those who are on the defensive. It isn't worth stating how easy it is to manipulate a dyno or dyno numbers, please. Facts are rarely used to sell anyone's product...

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I'm not sure one person in 3000 + ft elevation running into a few hiccups has an relevance in this thread but if that is what helps you sleep at night continue posting hard data? Cause I havn't seen any.

You do understand the physical stress of hardware in motors/turbo performs differently in high elevation?

When you mentioned Evo and Suby forums you said in essence that the vishnu tune was wiped out. Fine... (still irrelevant to this platform). He was also one of the fist to offer it for the EVO X '(also irrelevant). What contributions have you made to your communities in terms of tunes/hardware and performance parts? Does anyone come to your place of work bashing what you do? What sort of ulterior motives do you have here? Should the entire community sell their Procede and PWM kits now?

Now you are right you didn't mention Evo and Suby forums in relation to PWM kits, but you take their advice and follow their bandwagon on everything else including which tunes they wipe out and which tunes they use, right?

So then you would know that the most respected hardware for methanol is aquamist, and its currently used on both of those platforms as well as the Vishnu PWM kit. Yet you bash it cause hes using it on the M3 now?

We are talking about dyno's from 8 years ago now? On an entirely different platform? In the most harsh conditions? I can show you 100's of cars, with blown motors on dynos, from the most REPUTABLE tuners possible in the country with sound setups. Motors are not bulletproof, ever. Furthermore, in regards to DSM cars I know several people personally who had those ticking time bombs blow in stock form, stock boost.

Please tell us more how this is relevant to the original posters questions?

Thanks

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

Another cool story irrelevant to the OP's first question. Make your own thread or take up your personal problems with Vishnu on a personal level.

Hardware directly related to timing processing? Irrelevant to timing control you say....

[thebigragu99]

The way this thread tuned out,it seems to me the cobb is a true tune!

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by Tzu

Hardware directly related to timing processing? Irrelevant to timing control you say....

The OP's question was a simple yes or no question. Your post was about your personal problems that you have an old procede but want a new one.... irrelevant I do say myself chap.

Originally Posted by thebigragu99

The way this thread tuned out,it seems to me the cobb is a true tune!

Hit up Jeff, glad I did.

[MilehighM3]

Active does tune the N54, N55 as well ;-)

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Active does tune the N54, N55 as well ;-)

It's a Jb3/4 in their own box....

[Q4P]

wow, this thread is on another level at this point

[Tzu]

[QUOTE=E3r2E9r;10478635]The OP's question was a simple yes or no question. Your post was about your personal problems that you have an old procede but want a new one.... irrelevant I do say myself chap.
QUOTE]

Hmm the REASONING as to why rev2 is not ideal for timing processing (and 2.5 is a good step forward) is becoming evident. I've logged many sensors on the car and found interesting results. I guess I'll just share my findings with Dzenno and Clap and call it a day.

[e30rus]

i love how nobody mentions the fact that this is bmw's first turbo car in more than 20 years.obviously there is going to be some hurtles on this road.

notice out of all model BMWs this is the most troublesome .....

getting around BMWs programming in there ecu and all there components is very difficult .Even bmw engineers are still working out various kinks!

WHY bash shiv and other tunes on here, they contribute positively to this forum and community .thanks to the tuners(shiv,cobb,jb4 and others) we have a fun car to drive instead of a 3000 plus pound paperweight.

helping to resolve the issues in the tunes and give them feedback is what should be done..

obviously they are continuously working on them and making them better...

bottom line stop complaining , and or make your own tune that works . good luck with that.....

[E3r2E9r]

Originally Posted by Tzu

Hmm the REASONING as to why rev2 is not ideal for timing processing (and 2.5 is a good step forward) is becoming evident. I've logged many sensors on the car and found interesting results. I guess I'll just share my findings with Dzenno and Clap and call it a day.

Uhh from my readings Shiv mentioned several times over weeks ago that 2A/B is not recommended for timing advance. Only 2.5 or 3. Would you like to see those threads?

[thebigragu99]

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Active does tune the N54, N55 as well ;-)

Junk!

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

Uhh from my readings Shiv mentioned several times over weeks ago that 2A/B is not recommended for timing advance. Only 2.5 or 3. Would you like to see those threads?

Correct.

It was posted 7/21/2011

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This feature is and was always there. But the ignition control hardware on the Rev.2 is a bit slower when it comes to triggering rising/falling edges with respect to the replicated crank signal. So what you get is some passive ignition retard. As much as 2 deg of retard at high RPM. The revised hardware that we use in the Rev2.5/Rev3 avoids this completely while allowing us to reliably transition between retard and advance quickly during high boost. Something that was always a bit tricky with the old hardware.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=561615&page=2

[e30rus]

[QUOTE=Tzu;10478775]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

The OP's question was a simple yes or no question. Your post was about your personal problems that you have an old procede but want a new one.... irrelevant I do say myself chap.
QUOTE]

Hmm the REASONING as to why rev2 is not ideal for timing processing (and 2.5 is a good step forward) is becoming evident. I've logged many sensors on the car and found interesting results. I guess I'll just share my findings with Dzenno and Clap and call it a day.

dzenno and the clap already have cobb, this is nothing new to them...

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Correct.

It was posted 7/21/2011





http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=561615&page=2

There's something just wrong and personally annoying with that comment from Shiv though...how is it that if there's a known passive retard of 2 degrees up top that the "ACTUAL" ignition advance logged by the procede still logs full timing at 14-14.5deg at redline...with the procede wired in, given what Shiv posted, it shouldn't mechanically be possible to hit even 13deg at redline due to the passive retard that's inherently there due to hardware! wtf!? Is this another one of those things where procede is just making the logs look happy but in reality the picture is different?

I'm just glad I'm not running it anymore seriously...shit like that would always fucking bug the life out of me...i expect logs to show a true picture as I rely on them 100% always...so far I personally witnessed a screwup in AFR calcs being too generous (richer than in reality) and now this?? wow!

[Tzu]

Lol i have nothing to gain in here. U guys should external log your widebands. You too jeff 

[e30rus]

Originally Posted by dzenno

There's something just wrong and personally annoying with that comment from Shiv though...how is it that if there's a known passive retard of 2 degrees up top that the "ACTUAL" ignition advance logged by the procede still logs full timing at 14-14.5deg at redline...with the procede wired in, given what Shiv posted, it shouldn't mechanically be possible to hit even 13deg at redline due to the passive retard that's inherently there due to hardware! wtf!? Is this another one of those things where procede is just making the logs look happy but in reality the picture is different?

I'm just glad I'm not running it anymore seriously...shit like that would always fucking bug the life out of me...i expect logs to show a true picture as I rely on them 100% always...so far I personally witnessed a screwup in AFR calcs being too generous (richer than in reality) and now this?? wow!

Arent you the same guy that had Cobb hide misfire codes so you can run the car?

but you expect logs to show a true picture??? confusing

[Tzu]

Originally Posted by E3r2E9r

Uhh from my readings Shiv mentioned several times over weeks ago that 2A/B is not recommended for timing advance. Only 2.5 or 3. Would you like to see those threads?

Uhh do you remember that 50 page timing thread where the rev2 was claimed to be so advanced with full control over everything?

Unlike D and clap i have had marginal success with the 2. Thats where we differ.

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by e30rus

Arent you the same guy that had Cobb hide misfire codes so you can run the car?

but you expect logs to show a true picture??? confusing

LOL how the heck did you relate what I said above to me turning off misfire detection? wow

Yes, I'm also the same guy that runs Okada coils and NGK plugs, how weird is that? I also take shit 3 times a day! lol

That has absolutely no relevance here I'm sorry

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by dzenno

LOL how the heck did you relate what I said above to me turning off misfire detection? wow

Yes, I'm also the same guy that runs Okada coils and NGK plugs, how weird is that? I also take shit 3 times a day! lol

That has absolutely no relevance here I'm sorry

3 times? You may wanna get that checked out lol

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

3 times? You may wanna get that checked out lol

LOL told you it was weird hahahahha

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by dzenno

I also take shit 3 times a day! lol

Lol! Do you think about piggyback timing control when you do it? If not, this is irrelevant- but so is this thread. Hahahaha