[dbjb]

^^^ how much if you don't mind?

Btw, I should say that I'm not anti-meth. In fact, I'm considering putting it back in. If I do, it'll be in the trunk and the lines will be away from the exhaust.

[jpsimon]

MSRP for the amp is around $1200 (if you were asking me and not the trunk mount dude)

[dbjb]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

MSRP for the amp is around $1200 (if you were asking me and not the trunk mount dude)

Yes you and might I add DAYUM.

[Dr. G]

Yeah, I thought about the same thing earlier.
Having it leak on the amp side would suck pretty damn bad with the cost of the logic7 amp. I am either going to mount mine over the battery and mount a plastic tray underneath it to catch spillage, or I will mount it on the rear seat like Jeff has his mounted.

[jpsimon]

After 11 pages I've decided to get that ADVAN trunk mount that goes in the hole in the middle, and also use braided lines. it's expensive but it's the only place I feel comfortable mounting a tank in the trunk.

I'd rather run a much higher % meth mix and feel 100% comfortable doing so.

[Dr. G]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

After 11 pages I've decided to get that ADVAN trunk mount that goes in the hole in the middle, and also use braided lines. it's expensive but it's the only place I feel comfortable mounting a tank in the trunk.

I'd rather run a much higher % meth mix and feel 100% comfortable doing so.

Damn so you pulled the trigger huh? I've been sitting here contemplating realllll hard about doing it or not. The way I see it is after investing so much money into the car what's another couple hundred bucks to protect my car from burning down and wasting all my time and efforts. Seems like an easy decision, but something keeps making me sway both ways.

[jpsimon]

I'm going to pull the trigger, i sent ADVAN a PM. not sure if they're actually shipping that tank yet. But i told them i want it ASAP

[Justin@ADVAN Performance]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

I'm going to pull the trigger, i sent ADVAN a PM. not sure if they're actually shipping that tank yet. But i told them i want it ASAP

Hey mate,

I received your PM, thanks.

Our in-boot "stealth" tank is certainly not a one off, but at this stage they are being made to order.

I will find out today how quickly we can fab up the tank and get back to you shortly.

Cheers,

Justin.

[jpsimon]

awesome thanks!

[335okc]

down under ingenuity

[dbjb]

OP, what's the end result?

[jpsimon]

advan in-boot meth tank has been ordered this and some braided lines and I will feel pretty safe.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

advan in-boot meth tank has been ordered this and some braided lines and I will feel pretty safe.

You won't be disappointed, I've had mine in now for 3-4 weeks and well worth the cash imho.

I spent ages trying to figure out where I could/would put the 1.5 gal truck tank that came with the BMS kit, even went to a couple of motor trimmers to make a cover/box to hide the (no offense to BMS or other tanks but) ugly as shit plastic tank in my trunk.

For me the final decision was 20% aesthetics and 80% safety (not in regards to WW Vs trunk as this was never a consideration). Consider this for a moment, you have our plastic tank and lines in the trunk and something in the trunk knocks either/both, there is a reasonable chance of knocking the tank/lines and spilling meth everywhere this way all very discrete AND safe

[BavarianBullet]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Well, I had the PWM installed for months without issue. A little hard to mess up the install considering you just put a T in the line and then a one way check valve. Even if the zip wasn’t secure it on a suction line. The only time it would leak is if you were using he washer pump to clean the windows. That wasn’t the case at all. Truly can say it was one kit vs another that caused this because the only way to get that much meth is if the pump was just spraying meth everywhere, which wasn’t the case, or if the tank dumped a bunch of meth and it ran down on the sub pan and hit the DPs when they were at a temp high enough to cause auto ignition.

If someone has the time, pull the tank and fill it with soda water and dump it back a bit after shaking it up. Thing we have to remember is if the methanol was hot, it’s possible it was boiling or evaporating fast enough to cause pressure in the tank, so using soda water would simulate boiling or evaporation pressure as the liquid sloshes within the tank. I would put money on the soda water spraying out the overflow…

I pulled the ps fender liner and look at the meth tank and filler hose and took pix. The tank is tall and thin and cannot be removed without taking the fender off based on what I saw (fender turn signal lamp bulb holder juts into a recess in tank made just for it).

The filler tube only protrudes a maybe 8 to 10 inches into he engine bay, the rest is sandwiched between the fender and car body. So it really shouldnt get hot at all except for the last few inches of the filler neck.

Everyone talks about an overflow vent but I've never seen it on the tank and if its even there it would just leak onto the plastic fender liner or ineer fender and drip onto the ground.

The only thing that comes to mind re pushing out meth or meth vapors is out the filler cap. What might happen is a sudden sloshing in the ww tank from a car manuver will cause any fluid in the filler neck to oscillate up and down (changing volume in a closed space thus moving air in and out) and either force meth vapors out under the non-airtight cap or meth itself might possibly do so too. But this is likely only possible if the tank is 1/2 full or more so that the filler tube has fluid in it.

[jpsimon]

where did you mount the pump? actually, maybe it's a dumb question but can I just leave the pump where it is in the engine bay or does it need to be closer to the tank?

Originally Posted by pavo335

You won't be disappointed, I've had mine in now for 3-4 weeks and well worth the cash imho.

I spent ages trying to figure out where I could/would put the 1.5 gal truck tank that came with the BMS kit, even went to a couple of motor trimmers to make a cover/box to hide the (no offense to BMS or other tanks but) ugly as shit plastic tank in my trunk.

For me the final decision was 20% aesthetics and 80% safety (not in regards to WW Vs trunk as this was never a consideration). Consider this for a moment, you have our plastic tank and lines in the trunk and something in the trunk knocks either/both, there is a reasonable chance of knocking the tank/lines and spilling meth everywhere this way all very discrete AND safe

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

where did you mount the pump? actually, maybe it's a dumb question but can I just leave the pump where it is in the engine bay or does it need to be closer to the tank?

It depends if the tank is gravity fed or not. If it is gravity fed the pump needs to be under it.

Originally Posted by BavarianBullet

I pulled the ps fender liner and look at the meth tank and filler hose and took pix. The tank is tall and thin and cannot be removed without taking the fender off based on what I saw (fender turn signal lamp bulb holder juts into a recess in tank made just for it).

The filler tube only protrudes a maybe 8 to 10 inches into he engine bay, the rest is sandwiched between the fender and car body. So it really shouldnt get hot at all except for the last few inches of the filler neck.

Everyone talks about an overflow vent but I've never seen it on the tank and if its even there it would just leak onto the plastic fender liner or ineer fender and drip onto the ground.

The only thing that comes to mind re pushing out meth or meth vapors is out the filler cap. What might happen is a sudden sloshing in the ww tank from a car manuver will cause any fluid in the filler neck to oscillate up and down (changing volume in a closed space thus moving air in and out) and either force meth vapors out under the non-airtight cap or meth itself might possibly do so too. But this is likely only possible if the tank is 1/2 full or more so that the filler tube has fluid in it.

With the right conditions anything is possible, as we've seen already.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

where did you mount the pump? actually, maybe it's a dumb question but can I just leave the pump where it is in the engine bay or does it need to be closer to the tank?

There are a number of places you can install in/near the tank, I didn't want the pump in the engine bay for various reasons and ended up putting it behind the oem trim on the left hand side of the trunk near the cd stacker.

this way it is slightly above the tank but only about 1 1/2 feet away and I can run the meth line under the lining in the trunk all with easy inspection access.

I did this for a couple of reasons (in no particular order)

1. no cutting of the plastic liner under the tank, so god forbid there is a leak it will be contained and not drip on a hot exhaust.

2. if the pump fittings do leak (tbh not a big fan of the push/pull connectors i have a similar setup on the water plumbing to the fridge and those little fuckers leak like shit and thats with the little red clip to stop them being pushed back in) then the tank will NOT drain

3. power is close and this way I have 2 fuses on the pump, 1 from the battery and one from the relay that goes to the front of the car.

I guess I took a long time to go meth and read all sorts of maintenance issues with meth but sat down with the chaps at Advan and ticked all the boxes and while I still do a visual inspection a couple of times a week never had a drop leak

Hey I even put a couple of drops of food coloring in the tank to make it easier to see the meth in the lines

[Wedge1967]

Well, full or not, it doesn't matter. Overboost was less than a half tank because his low indicator was on. I had only 1 gal of meth in my tank. I just think it's pointless for people who have never had a fire to keep looking for answers or trying to justify to yourself that it's safe to continue to run your WW Meth solution because you're too lazy or cheap to change.

I don't think your comment about heat is accurate considering that even with the heat guard the tank will get much warmer in the current location. But honestly I'm really getting tired of arguing this point.

Everyone, WE ALL KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE... Most of the cars lost to fire have been WW Meth cars. Ask yourself, how many trunk mount fires can you find online? It just isn't safe and after my fire I personally won't put more that 30% meth wash fluid in the winter and summer I will only run a summer fluid.

I'm running a trunk mounted JAZ 1-Gallon JR Dragster Fuel Cell now with AV safety foam. It's 6"x6"x12" so it doesn't take up much space. JAZ NHRA-accepted cells include 1/4" nipple lever handle petcock outlet fitting with 1/4" nipple vent fitting in the top. Installation is simple and only takes an hour to run the new lines. Much easier from a lift, but if you don't, do it on the level with a set of jack stands. For those who don't use stands much, never put a jack stand under your suspension parts as they can damage the suspension or slip.

Originally Posted by BavarianBullet

I pulled the ps fender liner and look at the meth tank and filler hose and took pix. The tank is tall and thin and cannot be removed without taking the fender off based on what I saw (fender turn signal lamp bulb holder juts into a recess in tank made just for it).

The filler tube only protrudes a maybe 8 to 10 inches into he engine bay, the rest is sandwiched between the fender and car body. So it really shouldnt get hot at all except for the last few inches of the filler neck.

Everyone talks about an overflow vent but I've never seen it on the tank and if its even there it would just leak onto the plastic fender liner or ineer fender and drip onto the ground.

The only thing that comes to mind re pushing out meth or meth vapors is out the filler cap. What might happen is a sudden sloshing in the ww tank from a car manuver will cause any fluid in the filler neck to oscillate up and down (changing volume in a closed space thus moving air in and out) and either force meth vapors out under the non-airtight cap or meth itself might possibly do so too. But this is likely only possible if the tank is 1/2 full or more so that the filler tube has fluid in it.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by BavarianBullet

I pulled the ps fender liner and look at the meth tank and filler hose and took pix. The tank is tall and thin and cannot be removed without taking the fender off based on what I saw (fender turn signal lamp bulb holder juts into a recess in tank made just for it).

The filler tube only protrudes a maybe 8 to 10 inches into he engine bay, the rest is sandwiched between the fender and car body. So it really shouldnt get hot at all except for the last few inches of the filler neck.

Everyone talks about an overflow vent but I've never seen it on the tank and if its even there it would just leak onto the plastic fender liner or ineer fender and drip onto the ground.

I did the same and found what you found as well in regards to the location of the WW tank. Thank you for posting this some factual data. The tank itself should be sealed by a metal "firewall," and the only exposed part is about 6-8 inches of the filler neck and the OEM vent hose vents into the plastic portion of the lining. That being said, this vent hose is what concerns me, I don't feel it's properly located away from a heat source and I can see why some are having issue's of it pooling near aftermarket downpipes. I would imagine aftermarket downpipes could get hotter EGT's than the OEM one's. If you feel the the tube where the WW line is tapped near the ECU box, it's relatively cool. I'd like to stick some sort of temperature gauge inside the WW tank to measure how hot the 49/50 meth can get after some WOT runs (or better yet, just sitting with the engine on baking in the sun) to see if it gets near the boiling point.

Anyone with a temp gun and WW meth system, can you point and shoot and post this data?

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

I just think it's pointless for people who have never had a fire to keep looking for answers or trying to justify to yourself that it's safe to continue to run your WW Meth solution because you're too lazy or cheap to change.

I don't think that was his reason for posting what he found. It's nice to see some factual data on the matter so that others can see it as well.

It's better than having a simple statement of "I know this person who knew this person and knew this dog who had a meth fire from running a WW system" The more data, the better.

[Wedge1967]

Well, I'm one of the people who had a fire, so unless you want to reproduce the fire on your car, all I can say is the meth came from the tank and the tank wasn't full. So sorry if I sound a little off, but I'm not willing to reproduce this just so you and everyone else who hasn't had a fire can have some factual data. Go burn your car up, then tell me you found out the facts the hard way. How many more cars need to burn before you have enough data to understand the WW was not designed as a fuel cell. The vent is just a vent, it doesn't have a hose to make sure the fluid doesn't run out onto the sub pan. The cap is not a safety cap that will prevent fluid from boiling out the cap. Maybe the meth in the tank boiled and it did blow meth out the cap like a fizzing soda can. I don't know, and honestly I don't care. If you want to run WW meth, run it. All I'm saying is when you have your own fire, feel free to post your own facts so everyone can tell you that you don't know what you're talking about and they need more proof it was meth.

Originally Posted by spool twice

I don't think that was his reason for posting what he found. It's nice to see some factual data on the matter so that others can see it as well.

It's better than having a simple statement of "I know this person who knew this person and knew this dog who had a meth fire from running a WW system" The more data, the better.

[werke-t]

Eye opening stuff.. I need to start looking into trunk tanks, but would rather leave the pump under the hood, so i guess I'm looking for a non-gravity fed tank...

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Well, I'm one of the people who had a fire, so unless you want to reproduce the fire on your car, all I can say is the meth came from the tank and the tank wasn't full. So sorry if I sound a little off, but I'm not willing to reproduce this just so you and everyone else who hasn't had a fire can have some factual data. Go burn your car up, then tell me you found out the facts the hard way. How many more cars need to burn before you have enough data to understand the WW was not designed as a fuel cell. The vent is just a vent, it doesn't have a hose to make sure the fluid doesn't run out onto the sub pan. The cap is not a safety cap that will prevent fluid from boiling out the cap. Maybe the meth in the tank boiled and it did blow meth out the cap like a fizzing soda can. I don't know, and honestly I don't care. If you want to run WW meth, run it. All I'm saying is when you have your own fire, feel free to post your own facts so everyone can tell you that you don't know what you're talking about and they need more proof it was meth.