[Q4P]

This has probably been answered already like a 100x, but I would like to ask objectively how does Cobb Stage 1 compare to Vishnu Procede tune only? Power levels, smoothness and the like? Tune ONLY

[themyst]

It depends on the Cobb map you choose. If you pick standard throttle mapping, it feels quite close to a Procede, however others appreciate the alternate throttle maps or linear.

It is also nice having a predictable datalog each and every time.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by themyst

It depends on the Cobb map you choose. If you pick standard throttle mapping, it feels quite close to a Procede, however others appreciate the alternate throttle maps or linear.

It is also nice having a predictable datalog each and every time.

How about power wise for stage1 vs Procede tune only?

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

How about power wise for stage1 vs Procede tune only?

Stage 1 is more powerful than Procede tune only.

EDIT: Assuming you don't force your Procede to run 22 psi lol

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Stage 1 is more powerful than Procede tune only.

EDIT: Assuming you don't force your Procede to run 22 psi lol

That's what I gathered from the dyno database but my procede autotunes to 15 psi or so and the car runs very strong so I wanted user input as far as midrange and top end.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

How about power wise for stage1 vs Procede tune only?

Plenty of dyno pulls on stage 1 out there for review. Where the stage 1 is superior to the piggybacks is it will make the same power regardless of conditions.

With the static boost targeting of the JB4/Procede, it will perform far worse in warmer temps and perform better in cold temps.

This doesn't seem to be the case for stage 2 though. The car pulls nicely when its warmer, but pulls harder than my piggy+meth setup when it's cold.

-edit this is just based on butt dyno subjective feel though.

[SIKH335]

Hmmmmmmmm still have not seen a Cobb Stage 2 dyno that puts down more power than my Piggy and Meth. But then again my piggy might be different than your piggy. Lol

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

This has probably been answered already like a 100x, but I would like to ask objectively how does Cobb Stage 1 compare to Vishnu Procede tune only? Power levels, smoothness and the like? Tune ONLY

Quest your at a Mercedes dealer asking if a BMW is better. What answer are you expecting to get. I think you should try each out or all you will get is opinion and a loyalty answer.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

Hmmmmmmmm still have not seen a Cobb Stage 2 dyno that puts down more power than my Piggy and Meth. But then again my piggy might be different than your piggy. Lol

Sikh..im as loyal as they come to my tune..but seriously..take a ride in stage 2 COBB..and then report back .I did.I have also been in a lot of cars with piggys .

W/Cobb the power, smoothness and consistency is insane..my biggest concern now is safety and longevity..by no means have all the questions been answered..time will answer all for us... but so far so good...

I have been saying it for yrs..reflashes are the way to go..now that there is one that offers the power with the versatilty of datalogging and flexibilty to self-reflash and re-sell...seems that alot of other folks are also seeing the light..

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Sikh..im as loyal as they come to my tune..but seriously..take a ride in stage 2 COBB..and then report back .I did.I have also been in a lot of cars with piggys .

W/Cobb the power, smoothness and consistency is insane..my biggest concern now is safety and longevity..by no means have all the questions been answered..time will answer all for us... but so far so good...

I have been saying it for yrs..reflashes are the way to go..now that there is one that offers the power with the versatilty of datalogging and flexibilty to self-reflash and re-sell...seems that alot of other folks are also seeing the light..

I will be testing Cobb soon but I think if your ever on the west coast take a ride in my car and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. You must remember my discussion with you when I first bought this car after selling my M6, I had consistent limp mode issue that required attention(taken care off by shiv and hasn't limped since) But more importantly I told you I wanted reliable "M" type power from my tune that was smooth and key word again reliable. I've been running the current set up since PWM Meth came out from Vishnu and Bro I can seriously tell you it's the real deal. Not to say Cobb may not be I will soon be testing it on a car and like I said back then Im Interested in reliability not necasarily WHP. But to have them both makes me feel like I'm in the M6 again.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

I will be testing Cobb soon but I think if your ever on the west coast take a ride in my car and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. You must remember my discussion with you when I first bought this car after selling my M6, I had consistent limp mode issue that required attention. But more importantly I told you I wanted reliable "M" type power from my tune that was smooth and key word again reliable. I've been running the current set up since PWM Meth came out from Vishnu and Bro I can seriously tell you it's the real deal. Not to say Cobb may not be I will soon be testing it on a car and like I said back then I. Interested in reliability not necasarily WHP. But to have them both makes me feel like I'm in the M6 again.

I do remember our convo..and kudos for bringing it up..piggys are strong no doubt..but u faced it urself..the issues that can arise..that is what I mean by "consistency" of a tune..again it all boils down to choice..everyone loves their tune when its running right...

Im not even sure if COBB has it "all" buttoned up yet..I have my reservations..but im a professional skeptic..

Def love to hear back from u if and when u go the re-flash route.

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by tibra1

I do remember our convo..and kudos for bringing it up..piggys are strong no doubt..but u faced it urself..the issues that can arise..that is what I mean by "consistency" of a tune..again it all boils down to choice..everyone loves their tune when its running right...

Im not even sure if COBB has it "all" buttoned up yet..I have my reservations..but im a professional skeptic..

Def love to hear back from u if and when u go the re-flash route.

I defiantly did have issues and would have switched back then if they were not resolved. But I put a full post and review out there on the forum telling all the issues I had and that they were fixed. It's been 3 months and not one Limp mode. But I just like having fun modding cars I will most likely try Cobb just to see for my self what is smoother and has more power. At this point I believe it is my set up. I just dont like all the haters who won't fork out the money to try each tune and or go over the top with insults and attacks. I've said it before have fun tuning and love what you have money does not come easy and you just need to stop and enjoy it. The only way to actually know which one is superior is to try them and you may just find that they are each different but good in their own areas. For example Mercedes and BMW. Both great but both very different. I will keep you posted. Also by the way the race cats you sold me have worked out great didnt loose to much Whp with them on. Thx

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

I defiantly did have issues and would have switched back then if they were not resolved. But I put a full post and review out there on the forum telling all the issues I had and that they were fixed. It's been 3 months and not one Limp mode. But I just like having fun modding cars I will most likely try Cobb just to see for my self what is smoother and has more power. At this point I believe it is my set up. I just dont like all the haters who won't fork out the money to try each tune and or go over the top with insults and attacks. I've said it before have fun tuning and love what you have money does not come easy and you just need to stop and enjoy it. The only way to actually know which one is superior is to try them and you may just find that they are each different but good in their own areas. For example Mercedes and BMW. Both great but both very different. I will keep you posted. Also by the way the race cats you sold me have worked out great didnt loose to much Whp with them on. Thx

Totally agree and would just add that each of these cars is sooo individual..so a tune on one car may behave a certain way and same tune on a diff car may behave differently..

[M BROK3]

Originally Posted by Zeph

Not trying to be negative here, just kinda confused really... I mean, stage 1 hits 17 psi and if you are running that on a "stock car" as is acceptable I think you are already probably having huge heatsoak problems on the stock FMIC. Without downpipes, I don't think you are going to make more power than stage 1 efficiently and safely. Meth could be a different story, but still not going to be night and day without DP's. I guess they could add a tad more timing up top with FMIC for like 10 more horsepower on this "stage 1+FMIC" map... I think things like ATR, meth, etc. are going to be higher priorities just because they matter.

Not trying to be offensive, just realistic.

Zeph

I understand where you are coming from but I would like to make the most out of my FMIC, CAI and Exhaust even if it's measly 10hp lol ... and a lot of people like me don't want to get the dp's because of warranty hassle's and what not.
Also Cobb mentioned before that Stage1+FMIC might come out before ATR so that's why I was hoping for an ETA.

[Zeph]

Originally Posted by x-ception

I understand where you are coming from but I would like to make the most out of my FMIC, CAI and Exhaust even if it's measly 10hp lol ... and a lot of people like me don't want to get the dp's because of warranty hassle's and what not.
Also Cobb mentioned before that Stage1+FMIC might come out before ATR so that's why I was hoping for an ETA.

That explanation puts it in perspective for me then. I spent like 2k no my 350z to gain about 20 horsepower lol (headers, cat delete pipes, intake) but it was worth it at the time. I guess I just view FMIC as sustained power with less turbo stress over being a "power adder" but yes if you can gain some more power then who can argue that! We are all junkies for the butt dyno I feel confident with COBB producing as they promise... as has been the case thus far.

Zeph

[themyst]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

Hmmmmmmmm still have not seen a Cobb Stage 2 dyno that puts down more power than my Piggy and Meth. But then again my piggy might be different than your piggy. Lol

No ones saying FBO with meth is slower than stage 2, it's the opposite. the main reason many of us would rather go slower with a reflashes (for now) than bother with piggys is consistency. With a flash you know what your AFR will look like, what your boost will look like, what your wgdc looks like, etc. It's almost boring datalogging a flash tune. .

All I have to say is, give me ATR or a stage 2+meth map and all hell will break loose.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

I defiantly did have issues and would have switched back then if they were not resolved. But I put a full post and review out there on the forum telling all the issues I had and that they were fixed. It's been 3 months and not one Limp mode. But I just like having fun modding cars I will most likely try Cobb just to see for my self what is smoother and has more power. At this point I believe it is my set up. I just dont like all the haters who won't fork out the money to try each tune and or go over the top with insults and attacks. I've said it before have fun tuning and love what you have money does not come easy and you just need to stop and enjoy it. The only way to actually know which one is superior is to try them and you may just find that they are each different but good in their own areas. For example Mercedes and BMW. Both great but both very different. I will keep you posted. Also by the way the race cats you sold me have worked out great didnt loose to much Whp with them on. Thx

So it's ok for me to go tune bashing since I've owned them all ?

[nitehawk]

So, are all flash tunes load based or is that specific to Cobb? What about stock?

[scott135i]

Does this thread really have 180k views...damn...

[rader1]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

So, are all flash tunes load based or is that specific to Cobb? What about stock?

Cobb and the stock DME are load targeting. IDK about ESS, GIAC etc But i *think* they are boost targeting, but im not sure

[jballer123]

does anyone know if the cobb has any provisions like the dinan to increase the water pump speed or fan speed, thanks

[Alan l.]

^^does Dinan really do that?

It would be awesome if Cobb could do that but I doubt it's possible for some reason. Maybe cobb can also lower the temp threshold of when to turn on the fan?

Alan