[RPM33]

Would anyone trade a F87 M2 CS DCT for a G87 M2 CS Automatic?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by 10"

Whaaa are you talking about?! Weight is one of THE most palpable feelings of driving any car on the road. Less weight creates a feeling of agility that NO amount of power or suspension modification can generate.

It’s incredible to me how far motoring culture has declined—to not appreciate less weight as a great feature of a driver’s car

Please explain this to the ppl who engineered the absolutely track ripping Camaro's 1LE's

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by 10"

don’t need more power
they need less weight.

Fully agree, but BMW has admitted that it is less expensive for them to throw more power into a vehicle than address the weight issues.

[10"]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Because number vomit is all that matters.

seriously—-peeps just buy specs now.

[JohnnyBeagle]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Please explain this to the ppl who engendered the absolutely track ripping Camaro's 1LE's

I just sold my SS 1LE. Absolutely amazing on track, drives like a much smaller car. I fit 305 and 325 width tires on and the amount of mechanic grip between those and the eLSD was ridiculous around Sebring. But the fastest 1LEs are the lightweight cars with stripped interiors and cf body panels. One guy got his down to 3400lbs and it's bonkers how cheap and fast that thing is.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Basketcase

What exactly would they do for a comp mode though? Can’t raise the power much without M3/M4 infringement (especially when stock car basically dynos at current M4 power) and comps didn’t get anything visually different other than black badges. The OG M2 to Comp were big changes because the OG got “ripped off” for the “M exclusives” that they turned around and added to the Comp model as the upgrades. The G87 comes with all the big ticket M goodies already…

The CS makes sense since it will have all the CS design cues (lip, trunk, hood etc) and the power bump which justifies the price jump. It will probably also lack an armrest as well!

CS sooner, and possible CSL before end of life cycle would make the most sense… if any of them get a 6MT, they would have a massive winner I would say!

Looks like LCI m3/m4 are getting 25hp bump so an m2c could get a bump and still be less HP than the LCI m3/4

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by gabeomatic

I found that odd too, but if you copy and paste it in a browser it works

I tried the link multiple times with no luck unfortunately...

[Reddevils7]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Would anyone trade a F87 M2 CS DCT for a G87 M2 CS Automatic?

Lol no. No way I'd trade my dct for the 8sp. And I've daily driven a dct (f82/f87cs) for about 5 years now. I drive it in manual about 90% of the time and that's honestly the way it's meant to be imo. If you drive in manual and throttle modulate you can get rid of all the jerkiness that people complain about. The up and especially downshifts on the dct just don't match up at all on the 8sp. I've driven the g80 but not the g87. Idk if they did any tuning in-between the platforms. The GTS dct tune is something I'd recommend to all that don't have a CS dct

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by 10"

seriously—-peeps just buy specs now.

Says someone who boils an entire car down to a single spec.

There’s a lot more to the way a car feels and performs than weight. I can throw all-seasons on a car and make it instantly feel and perform 500+ pounds heavier than it is. That’s before touching suspension, chassis rigidity, brakes and brake pedal calibration, power steering assist and steering calibration, engine power and throttle calibration, transmission gearing, and aero.

Go drive an E46 M3 and a G87 back to back. The E46 is supposed to be 400 pounds lighter. You’d never guess behind the wheel.

In fact, practically everyone complaining about weight would believe it if BMW M said the G87 weighed 3400 pounds.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Says someone who boils an entire car down to a single spec.

There’s a lot more to the way a car feels and performs than weight. I can throw all-seasons on a car and make it instantly feel and perform 500+ pounds heavier than it is. That’s before touching suspension, chassis rigidity, brakes and brake pedal calibration, power steering assist and steering calibration, engine power and throttle calibration, transmission gearing, and aero.

Go drive an E46 M3 and a G87 back to back. The E46 is supposed to be 400 pounds lighter. You’d never guess behind the wheel.

In fact, practically everyone complaining about weight would believe it if BMW M said the G87 weighed 3400 pounds.

The G87 does indeed feel lighter than the E82.

It, however, is a much bigger car. Going from an E82 to a G87 feels like going from a 3 series to a 7 series… lots of attention needed manoeuvring in parking lots and such.

[to_riffic]

Maybe I should get one, but leave it wrapped in camo vinyl, because that seems to be the only way it looks good. Hide every hideous line possible.

[SexyRoger]

Originally Posted by Tag

Did I miss anything?

anyone notice an excessive amount of body roll?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by SexyRoger

anyone notice an excessive amount of body roll?

Even the CSL has some body roll, these cars are not stiffly sprung like a GT3.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by M2siast

The G87 does indeed feel lighter than the E82.

It, however, is a much bigger car. Going from an E82 to a G87 feels like going from a 3 series to a 7 series… lots of attention needed manoeuvring in parking lots and such.

Yes, the G87 certainly has a larger footprint than the older cars. I drove an E36 M3 coupe back to back with my G87 6MT and the difference was stark. It reminded me of one my favorite things about the E36 - the amazing view forward. The road feels so close, like the car has no hood or engine bay. Very unique experience vs. modern cars. I love it.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

Weight is killing the fun in any car. The lighter the better!

I have taken the plunge and ordered a GT4RS i don’t want a bigger and heavier car then an M2 competition which is already on the heavy side.

The only bmw in the stable is an X1 The fun cars are from other brands.

Not a fair comparison. The GT4RS starts at twice the price of the M2 and if you wanna buy a good one is atleast in the $200-250K range. So well outside the budget of most M2 customers

[CatchF22DirtyF30]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Latest sighting of the G87 M2 CS!

Love the wheels, but from the CS hood of the F8X plat… its a little underwhelming. Would love to see M Div. Carve out a new, purposeful hood for the CS Models, respectively.

[DailyDownshift]

Just put my deposit down today for it! Can't believe I got first dibs again, people are really sleeping.. Enjoying my stick g87 but salivating for this lightweight beast!

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Just put my deposit down today for it! Can't believe I got first dibs again, people are really sleeping.. Enjoying my stick g87 but salivating for this lightweight beast!

If it's a ZF8 AWD I don't see any miracle on weight, should be similar to the M3CS.

Is it confirmed no 6MT ?

[banned]

I saw a test mule run by my neighborhood not too long ago. Well after the launch of the M2 and it definitely didn't have the csl hood - I would've noticed that for sure.

So if it wasn't the base M2 and it wasn't the csl......

(Lots of test mules by me, especially BMW and Porsche)

Edit: Shit. It had the same duckbill as this one so I might be incorrect. It was probably the csl.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Not a fair comparison. The GT4RS starts at twice the price of the M2 and if you wanna buy a good one is atleast in the $200-250K range. So well outside the budget of most M2 customers

and its an AUTOMATIC
for that price, you should get to choose!

[JustinHEMI]

I wonder if it'll be mild hybrid.

[.Tranceparent.]

Been quiet here lately… no new sightings / speculations?