[sflgator]

Originally Posted by radgator1

Dude, you ran it with all the the stability control features on, with a passenger and a trunk full of tools, you dont have a freeflowing exhaust, you dont have the new Xede updates which is making more power and much more torque and you still think your time of 7/10's of a second faster than the best run on shivs car so far on 2 different track is accurate?

You are hopeless bro. Okay you're right, that Gtech time with an extra 400 lbs in your car is completely accurate. I'm glad I finally saw the light, you're the greatest drag racer ever

Hey, I never said I was absolutely right, or that I'm the best drag racer ever...just reminding everyone of a few variables that are involved. I actually think that Shiv's wheel spin (lack of traction) and possibly the MT launch in 1st gear vs. the DTC on and AT launch could be a contributing factor. Also, he is running on 91 octane vs. my 93 octane. That's all; no need to beat me up on it. Like everyone else, I'm still waiting for other Xede-equipped 335i's to get timed as well (not that I'm excluding Shiv's runs).

One would think that adding SO MUCH HP and TQ to the 335i would defintely make the car much faster, more so than a few tenths during the 1/4 mi. I mean, my Xede-equipped car has an extra 57WHP and 92 lb.-ft. of RWTQ for God's sake!!! Although I cannot believe it, if that's all the Xede did for my car, then that's kind of pathetic.

[SuperSport]

Shiv,

I am not sure if this has been answered before ?? Does tuning the 335i steptronic car, give you the ability to make changes to shift points, transmission pressure settings, and how quick you can make the transmission shift ??

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Shiv,

I am not sure if this has been answered before ?? Does tuning the 335i steptronic car, give you the ability to make changes to shift points, transmission pressure settings, and how quick you can make the transmission shift ??

It's certainly possible to make changes to these variables but its an area I have not visited. I don't know the hardware limitations involved in shifts speed (but in sport/manual mode, the standard shifting speed is pretty darn good). If enough people think the Step needs to get its shift logic revised, I'll poke around and see what I can do. But at this time, the only map changes I have made to Step'd car is the relationship between throttle and boost pressure.

-shiv

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by radgator1

Nice numbers shiv. I am sure we will see some better ones like you said considering your 60' time. Looking forward to the numbers from your next run.

And just in case anyone is keeping score, 110 trap speed and working to break the sub 13 sec ET is exactly what I predicted in this thread from the first drag results from an xede equipped 335. We''ll see even better times soon.

And Sflagator, now maybe you see why people were simply telling you what you could expect in the real world vs your gtech numbers, and why they were way off and not just the trap speed. You folks who labled people haters, newbies, 335 wanabe's etc might want to wait before you slam folks next time.

BTW with the 110 plus trap speed there is no question we will see 12.x's very soon. I think 12.6@113 is possible with the right launch on the right track.

Thanks again Shiv, Kevin

Just when I was about to give you a pat on the back, you come along and do it yourself.

[Terry335]

New to 335s but know a lot about GTechs, their MPH is usually way off but the 1/4 mile time can be close (if its mounted properly). Get it to a real track!


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[musc]

While I agree that the 120+ mph G-tech trap time is unrealistic, I am sure this car has more than 110-111, particularly if shiv was spinning and having to modulate the throttle to keep the tires from going up in a cloud of smoke. I doubt that he could even aggressively shift due to the fear of wheelspin. Making a pass with DTC/DSC on is going to be counterproductive for any good 1/4 time or trap speed. My car has trapped 4-5mph slower with DSC on. The Steptronic should fair better. I am sure we will see a lot better times/trap speed in the future.

[OpenFlash]

Results are up:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Results are up:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

Now let's put some slicks on that bad-boy and see what it will do!

[andrew 330i]

Originally Posted by andrew 330i

i predict a 13.2 - 13.3 run.

i hope to be proven wrong...

~ i was real close with my prediction...

13.195 / 111.177 / BMW 335i Vishnu Stage 1

[imsambeen]

Shiv you can do better than that. Looks like the first half of the 1/4 mile you are about average. The last half you really rocked.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yeah.. the new track is pretty slow. Especially when you run it backwards/uphill (like edmunds does). The best they could manage as a ~13.1 at 110.5mph. Without any VHT on the ground, the car would wheelspin all through 1st and 2nd gear, doing 0-60 in a reasonably poor 4.6s. Still 5-6mph faster traps than the ringer press car they tested so clearly it is much quicker once it gets traction. By comparison, the SL65 AMG ran a 12.0 @119 and the M6 conv. ran a 13.0@113.

I took it to sea level sac raceway (fontana is at 1200' above seal level) yesterday and had similiar problems with launching (60' time of 2.3s!). Still managed a 13.1 at 111.2mph which is 6-9mph faster than other 335s tested there. But I ended up doing that run with the TC on and by rolling on to 1/2 throttle gently in both 1st and 2nd gear. Basically a casual street start-- not what you usually expect to see on a drag strip. I know the car is capable of 112-113mph traps if I actually drove it as aggressively as I can on the street but traction was proving to be the limiting factor. I'm going back there next week when I can get more runs in so I can play with tire pressures, practice launching, and perhaps do burnouts to get the water off my tires from that waterbox. Or maybe just have someone who knows what they are doing drive it. God, I hate dragracing.

To make my bafoonery official, I sent the timeslip to http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html. The results should show up in the next day or so.

-shiv

A 110 trap at the new Fontana track is fantastic, I went there last weekend and the best I could do was 13.3 at 103. Stock 335I's were trapping 100 - 102 or so and we know they can trap at least 105 in good conditions, you're def trapping good there for how bad that track is, EVERYONE was bitching at about how slow their times were, and yes it goes uphill, lol. My buddies Stage 3 S4 monster could only muster a 12.9 at 113 MPH, when it's hit a 118 trap before, something was up.

I'm pretty sure you could see 114 traps, and even with the 111 MPH traps, with a set of DR's you could hit a 12.4. My friends AA SC'd M3 stage 1 only managed 111MPH traps, so you did great in that area. Either way, I take my hat off to you for going and posting times, most tuners don't have the balls to post the initial runs, unless they hit unreal times, which usually isn't the case the 1st time around. Good stuff.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by andrew 330i

~ i was real close with my prediction...

13.195 / 111.177 / BMW 335i Vishnu Stage 1

lol, you have to look at the whole picture. His 60' is lousy, and we know why, on street tires his car will spin tires for days. With a set of DR's and a good launch say a 1.8 60' he would be well into the 12's, a 12.5 is totally doable.

My prediction after he throws on a set of Drag Radials is 12.5 at 112+, that will be an unreal time for a 340 - 350WHP, 3600 lbs. sedan.
Regardless you will see a slew of times in the 12's once more people go, and on race fuel even better.

[CASHBY]

jesus with a trap speed of 111 MPH that is a mid to low second 1/4 mile pass NO PROBLEM!!!

a 2.2 60ft is just slow... and usualy 1/10th faster in 60ft times is usually 2 tenths faster 1/4 mile time.

you can tell he was spinning tires all the way up to 1/8 mile almost... his times are no where near "normal times' for the first half of the race.

Here is my 12.63 run and the break down
60'... 1.718
330...5.229
1/8... 8.071
MPH... 87.64
1000....10.553
1/4... 12.632
MPH...108.70

notice Shivs 1/8 mile time is a 8.66 yet he is traping 111mph 1/4 mile. and then look at my 1/8 mile time and my trap speed..

the car will for sure with no problem at all run a mid 12 second pass with good traction...

[e36jakeo]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

lol, you have to look at the whole picture. His 60' is lousy, and we know why, on street tires his car will spin tires for days. With a set of DR's and a good launch say a 1.8 60' he would be well into the 12's, a 12.5 is totally doable.

My prediction after he throws on a set of Drag Radials is 12.5 at 112+, that will be an unreal time for a 340 - 350WHP, 3600 lbs. sedan.
Regardless you will see a slew of times in the 12's once more people go, and on race fuel even better.

Yeah, if you look at his timeslip the guy he was racing did a 14.5 at 94 MPH and BEAT him to the 60' mark (2.1 vs. 2.2 sec). All the other 335is (stock) were doing 1.9 sec or so to 60', so figure with a good launch on just better (and not wet) street tires a 1.8 sec 60' is very attainable. This means at that mark he would be 0.4 seconds ahead of his current best run (13.2 @111) so that alone would bring it to 12.8 @ 112 or so.

I know we can put on drag radials and do better, but for most of us who just want to know what a 335i with ONLY a XEDE (plus exhaust, I guess) can do 12.8 at 112 MPH or better is clearly inferable from these results.

[CASHBY]

with a good launch on street tires and not spining the car will do 12.8 no problem at all...

High 12's are usualy about 103-105 trap speeds... not 112... that is just fast as shit

[andrew 330i]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

My prediction after he throws on a set of Drag Radials is...

drag radials are not daily means... i don't care what a street car runs on drag radials... one is not using drag radials daily.

street tires on a street car = true times... period.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by andrew 330i

drag radials are not daily means... i don't care what a street car runs on drag radials... one is not using drag radials daily.

street tires on a street car = true times... period.

One is not launching their car daily either. Launching at a street light is not ideal for me and most runs on the street/highway are from a roll anyway, don't focus on ET's or 60' times focus on Trap speeds, 111 MPH will run with plenty of fast cars, a 330 would need a Stage 4 SC to get anywhere near those traps. Trap speeds indicate the cars true power and potential, PERIOD. The car can hit a 12.5 or better, wouldn't you agree?

With a set of wider street tires a better launch is doable as well.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by andrew 330i

drag radials are not daily means... i don't care what a street car runs on drag radials... one is not using drag radials daily.

street tires on a street car = true times... period.

I usually get 10k miles or so out of a set of Nitto Drag Radials, you can run them 24/7. The main trade off is handling. Also when they get very worn watch out for water!

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

Yeah, if you look at his timeslip the guy he was racing did a 14.5 at 94 MPH and BEAT him to the 60' mark (2.1 vs. 2.2 sec). All the other 335is (stock) were doing 1.9 sec or so to 60', so figure with a good launch on just better (and not wet) street tires a 1.8 sec 60' is very attainable. This means at that mark he would be 0.4 seconds ahead of his current best run (13.2 @111) so that alone would bring it to 12.8 @ 112 or so.

I know we can put on drag radials and do better, but for most of us who just want to know what a 335i with ONLY a XEDE (plus exhaust, I guess) can do 12.8 at 112 MPH or better is clearly inferable from these results.

Actually if he reduced his 60' by .4, his 1/4 mile ET would be around .7 better. For every .1 you reduce your 60' it's approx .2 off your 1/4 mile ET. So we'd be actually looking at a 12.4 with that trap speed and a 1.8 60'.

[CASHBY]

Originally Posted by andrew 330i

drag radials are not daily means... i don't care what a street car runs on drag radials... one is not using drag radials daily.

street tires on a street car = true times... period.

you kidding me?

I have been racing along time and i have owned plenty of cars that i drove daily on drag radials.

Drew (DLSJ5) has drag radials he drives on his m3 daily.

my AWD A4 i drove daily on drag radials.

a lot of people out there do run drag radials daily driven...it is VERY common for a 2wd car with power.... so yes it would still be true times.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by CEA 3

you kidding me?

I have been racing along time and i have owned plenty of cars that i drove daily on drag radials.

Drew (DLSJ5) has drag radials he drives on his m3 daily.

my AWD A4 i drove daily on drag radials.

a lot of people out there do run drag radials daily driven...it is VERY common for a 2wd car with power.... so yes it would still be true times.

This is true plenty of people use them daily. I just use them to get to the track, then race, and then get back home, lol, they work great. But once I I'm home I switch them out to the stock ZCP's 19's. You know I don't like street racing, I prefer highway runs, haha.

[musc]

Daily means? Drag radials are DOT approved. I drove around with them for a year on another vehicle. They actually dont ride bad. They may not be daily means for YOU. From a drag racing standpoint, it doesn't really matter what the car runs on street tires. A car with any type of power will render true street radials useless.

As DLSJ5 mentioned, trap speed is a true indicator of power being made. ET is more of an indicator of traction. Sounds like everyone was trapping slow to start with, so 114-115 may be a more likely range at a different track.

DLSJ5, are you still doing the 3500K clutch drop on DRs when you ran the 13.3@103? Sounds like this track isnt the best for putting up your best numbers.