[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by Gunners_Mate

I love how it's the 335i owners complaining that the thread hasn't been updated. Nervous much? Lol.

That really made me . A charged N52 will only be able to outperform a STOCK 335. Once they slap any kind of tune on it and there is no chance. This isn't going to net an 80-100 hp gain. Probably closer 50-60

[Patmos330]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

That really made me . A charged N52 will only be able to outperform a STOCK 335. Once they slap any kind of tune on it and there is no chance. This isn't going to net an 80-100 hp gain. Probably closer 50-60

I really don't understand why you underestimate a SC so much. The SC for the e46 330i made by AA takes it to the stock levels of a e90 M3. That is from 235 BHP to 405 BHP (the current M3 is 414 BHP stock, the current 335i is 302 stock).

It really blows my mind. And I've posted this so many times. If the stock e46 330i is capable of the power of the CURRENT M3, why do you think that the N52 will gain 1/4 of the benefits that all other cars seem to get with a SC?

Edit: And if you head over to the N54 section in the dyno sticky you'll see with a tune and bolt ons they are pushing 380-430ish WHP depending on meth. But with JUST a tune, I would imagine most of them being around 430 BHP on average, maybe less maybe more. So as you can see thats still within reach of a E46! 330 with a SC and no other mods.

[t1mmy]

Originally Posted by Gunners_Mate

I love how it's the 335i owners complaining that the thread hasn't been updated. Nervous much? Lol.

why anybody would be nervous about another car getting faster is beyond me.

There are doubters and believers. It's all just opinions anyways, and at the end of the day doesn't matter.

Rotor's doing everybody a favor by being a doubter, IMO.

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by t1mmy

Rotor's doing everybody a favor by being a doubter, IMO.

Gavin's doing that for everyone all on his own

[jfisher160]

At the end of the day. No money has been put out by anyone for a SC. So who cares, I have seen the SC in person it works and runs great, but he is still working making it perfect. It's no easy, if it was easy AA and Other companies would of did it already. He made a mistake by telling all of us about his project, which is taking a very long time due to R&D and testing.

But like I said I don't see AA or another company putting one out yet. All the big companies have said it's not in the future due to the valvetronic and don't think it's worth it. But with this thread open I wouldnt doubt they realize that there is a lot of people that want one.

Personally i think AA has one on the back burner but hasn't said anything yet. They said they have big things to come and just released the e90 exhaust. So to have Gavin come up with a SC and he is a small company I think that is amazing that he did it. Even know its not fully completed still very cool.

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by Gavin@MMW

Well, here is a first look for you guys, I've been hard at work making this a reality, and I'm beyond happy to bring it out.

the car will be at Bimmerfest - West tomorrow also, any questions - Post them up and i will get right to you

Yes, I know, Its not the best video it just a quick look at what we are working on for the show, and yes it's on a dyno and yes - it really works.

Right now we are on a lower boost setting, as I still have some final touches to do next week to bring the power up, its at a modest 250Whp with a fully stock exhaust system (all 4 factory cats, res, and oem muffler.)

Projecting 320-350whp all said and done with headers and final tuning.

Also, this is 90% of the production parts as the final intake is still being machined and wont make it to the show - but you guys get the idea I think

Originally Posted by Patmos330

I really don't understand why you underestimate a SC so much. The SC for the e46 330i made by AA takes it to the stock levels of a e90 M3. That is from 235 BHP to 405 BHP (the current M3 is 414 BHP stock, the current 335i is 302 stock).

It really blows my mind. And I've posted this so many times. If the stock e46 330i is capable of the power of the CURRENT M3, why do you think that the N52 will gain 1/4 of the benefits that all other cars seem to get with a SC?

Edit: And if you head over to the N54 section in the dyno sticky you'll see with a tune and bolt ons they are pushing 380-430ish WHP depending on meth. But with JUST a tune, I would imagine most of them being around 430 BHP on average, maybe less maybe more. So as you can see thats still within reach of a E46! 330 with a SC and no other mods.

I am going off of the words of the man who is working to create this thing for you guys......

[Patmos330]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

I am going off of the words of the man who is working to create this thing for you guys......

You know you just contradicted yourself right? Gavin said projected 320-350 WHP. That puts it around 370-400 BHP. Even if you didnt understand the difference between BHP/WHP your numbers still dont add up. Thats a gain of between 140-170 BHP from a stock 328i.

And honestly, I think it'll be capable of more.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by Patmos330

You know you just contradicted yourself right? Gavin said projected 320-350 WHP. That puts it around 370-400 BHP. Even if you didnt understand the difference between BHP/WHP your numbers still dont add up. Thats a gain of between 140-170 BHP from a stock 328i.

And honestly, I think it'll be capable of more.

With the lack of updates, i bet it blew or something

He's projecting what.. 7psi or something pretty safe tune? The peak hp doesn't tell the whole story of having WAY more down low power being on boost from idle and higher static CR, even if the 35's have more peak power the 30 with an sc should get to 100 first


On the e46 330 being able to hit that power -- exactly, everyone says the. N52 is too weak to handle power - we'll see soon enough if it does break lol

If it truly works, an makes 350whp easily on base tune boost.. I wanna see what it does with a 3.2 stroker and cams .. Let alone a motec and a proper tune

I just hope it's done within the next 12mths.. As unlikely as that is..

Ed: the fastest (without going big single or other crazy mods) 35's are about the 430whp mark. And that's ones that do high 11/low 12 1/4 miles.

[Rotorocious]

Lol
Your willing to throw in another 4-6k for a MoTeC ?

Let me know if any of you would be interested, I have one for sale .

[Johnny D]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Lol
Your willing to throw in another 4-6k for a MoTeC ?

Let me know if any of you would be interested, I have one for sale .

If I could, I would do a motec, valvetronic delete, and ITB. Then dig into the cams and see what I could come up with. But its not worth the money

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Lol
Your willing to throw in another 4-6k for a MoTeC ?

Let me know if any of you would be interested, I have one for sale .

3-4k for a 600

If it'll let me tune for 100ron or even e85 over american 91aki... Worth it

Plus, i trust a proper am ecu and proper tune to run my new $6k++ plus shipping plus install supercharger system, on my $30,000 (australia here...) car

There is a guy in the uk with stock internals, custom cams, head, itb's and an m800 pushing 335hp. Could get more but he's restricted in max exhaust size etc

Imagine even with just the 3.2 stroker kit! At least another 20hp, still N/A

In a 130i

You have a motec for sale?


Ed: theres a 130i here in aus too with a motec, unknown oter mods but it is FAST - am going to the garage that did it in a month. Apparently they bought a full new e87 shell to swap into!

[capo1m]

Originally Posted by Gunners_Mate

I love how it's the 335i owners complaining that the thread hasn't been updated. Nervous much? Lol.

Listen I came from the n52 and always check in on things I got tired of waiting for something to happen and my car got old I needed something new went with n54 got a slamming deal I don't think we will ever be nervous about 7psi when we come stock with 8.8psi and tune to levels of 13.5 and above .. N54 scares me about reliability but I doubt reliability would be better with supercharger.. Not trying to kill anyone's dreams here but you guys should know better by now... That being said I'm not trolling I like to see if anything has come along for the n52 as I did as much as possible to my last car and many can vouch for that.. I just hate seeing you guys lead on and constantly disappointed.. I will take any heat from you guys and understand just hope you can see where I'm coming from

[Rotorocious]

I have an m880 to sell if anyone's crazy enough to buy it

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I have an m880 to sell if anyone's crazy enough to buy it

Haha how much? 6k+ at a guess?Lol

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Haha how much? 6k+ at a guess?Lol

Had it for a while so best offer

[kudos]

I thought it was common knowledge at this point that Gavin takes forever but almost always comes through. If he doesn't I believe he gives the money back anyways. The damn pre-lci lip took FOREVER and I was a very vocal doubter but it ended up in my hands and the fit was 100x better than anyone expected.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by kudos

I thought it was common knowledge at this point that Gavin takes forever but almost always comes through. If he doesn't I believe he gives the money back anyways. The damn pre-lci lip took FOREVER and I was a very vocal doubter but it ended up in my hands and the fit was 100x better than anyone expected.

true.. but one issue is with the headers currently, apparently they exist, apparently lots of people have them.. but there's basically been one guy posting stuff about them who is obviously affiliated with MMW, and then a whole bunch of nothing. positive or negative. sad.

[speedfan]

Originally Posted by Gavin@MMW

Finally got time to do some runs and some data logging for the BETA kit, here is one in DS mode, from a resting 40, to 100mph.

Also have some data logs from the BT tool, With coolant and oil temps, Speed, RPM, and actual Tq Value. It covers about an hour of driving, including these runs.

Showed a Max of 336Nm @5100rpm, Automatic 328i.

Once I get a clean way to put them up I will do that for you guys to check out.

was this filmed from a 335i? cuz the supercharger for n52 is still being made, I was told...


jk.

damm...I wish ESS developped a SC kit for n52. I'd be the first 1 in line.

[NYC6]

It doesnt bother anyone that he hasn't posted in this thread in a month and said he would post up data at that same time? If anyone else did business like that, forget it.

The N52 was a new vision by BMW in its effiecient dynamics program. They devised a way to make a very light weight engine block by using magnesium in areas where they could. It was a great idea and excellent execution by the company but it was done to keep it light weight but not strong much above stock parameters. At stock or near stock power levels the engine is a very good performer. Turn up the power and things will go wrong. Just look what high performance parts/tunes BMW makes for it. Not much. Doesnt that speak volumes?

The fact that the N52's time is quickly coming to an end with no new aluminum/magnesium blocks on the horizon tells me that it was a grand experiment that kinda failed. Its replacement is an all aluminum block with forged internals that is way over built and easily capable of much greater numbers that factory stock. And already it has quite a few upgrades available. I guess time will tell if this N52 S/C kit comes to market. Waiting, waiting, waiting......

Originally Posted by Gavin@MMW

Oh its all labeled, I will post them up tonight for you guys.

Any special requests for Data logging? (anything specific you want to see from BT Tool?)

Ill be doing more logging this week and still tweaking with things.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by NYC6

It doesnt bother anyone that he hasn't posted in this thread in a month and said he would post up data at that same time? If anyone else did business like that, forget it.

The N52 was a new vision by BMW in its effiecient dynamics program. They devised a way to make a very light weight engine block by using magnesium in areas where they could. It was a great idea and excellent execution by the company but it was done to keep it light weight but not strong much above stock parameters. At stock or near stock power levels the engine is a very good performer. Turn up the power and things will go wrong. Just look what high performance parts/tunes BMW makes for it. Not much. Doesnt that speak volumes?

The fact that the N52's time is quickly coming to an end with no new aluminum/magnesium blocks on the horizon tells me that it was a grand experiment that kinda failed. Its replacement is an all aluminum block with forged internals that is way over built and easily capable of much greater numbers that factory stock. And already it has quite a few upgrades available. I guess time will tell if this N52 S/C kit comes to market. Waiting, waiting, waiting......

Bmw race series for 130i had these WAY over 300hp. Other people have had them close to 350hp

I can't guarantee that the engine wont fail at 430-500hp FI.. but when you can get a fragile 1.6/1.8 honda to 500hp i can be 90% sure

Since you have no proof the n52 can't handle it, no need to post about it?

Ed: the reason they stopped alumg is because it is MUCH more expensive.. You know the n52 internals are forgrd too, right? I'm guessing not

[Slow_335i]

lmao at people with the N52 thinking 335i owners are getting scared hahahaha

That is all.....

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Bmw race series for 130i had these WAY over 300hp. Other people have had them close to 350hp

I can't guarantee that the engine wont fail at 430-500hp FI.. but when you can get a fragile 1.6/1.8 honda to 500hp i can be 90% sure

Since you have no proof the n52 can't handle it, no need to post about it?

Ed: the reason they stopped alumg is because it is MUCH more expensive.. You know the n52 internals are forgrd too, right? I'm guessing not

Racing engines are beefed up units and often rebuilt or replaced after every race or thereabouts. Comparing them to production engines doesnt wash.

Yes its more expnsive to make the composite blocks. But they knew that going in and went on anyway.
If it were such a great idea and successful they would still be at it. They also would have used the N52 block in the high hp cars(135/335/is models/1M) but they didnt. Cost had nothing to do with it. Weakness did.

Im not sure if the internals are forged or not. Granted I did type that under the assumption they're cast. Would like to know for sure if you can supply a link that would be great.