[KRS_SN]

£7500 for everyone buying an ev..wow..how benevolent USA is.
Nil such in UK though for business buyers there are tax breaks.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

£7500 for everyone buying an ev..wow..how benevolent USA is.
Nil such in UK though for business buyers there are tax breaks.

your government is perhaps brighter and chooses to allocate funds towards a more noble cause such as health care... altho i doubt thats the case

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by ASAP

your government is perhaps brighter and chooses to allocate funds towards a more noble cause such as health care... altho i doubt thats the case

Massive groundlevel backlash against the ev/ zero lobby here..I think they've listened as they're at risk of getting booted out.

[Car-Addicted]

There are folks who buy a car for simple transportation and they have no emotional attachment to the car. Generally that is NOT the people who frequent auto forums and blogs. We buy cars that excite us, that we find aesthetically pleasing, fun to drive. EV's can fulfill these as well as ICE's. My issue is the heavy hand of government and business (ESG) being placed on promoting the EV at the expense of ICE cars. I'm always willing to enter into a spirited conversation on EV's and what I believe to be the inconsistencies in the rational for their use but I would never suggest that someone not fulfill their automotive dreams with a EV. Just don't send me the bill or demand that I get in the EV line.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

There are folks who buy a car for simple transportation and they have no emotional attachment to the car. Generally that is NOT the people who frequent auto forums and blogs. We buy cars that excite us, that we find aesthetically pleasing, fun to drive. EV's can fulfill these as well as ICE's. My issue is the heavy hand of government and business (ESG) being placed on promoting the EV at the expense of ICE cars. I'm always willing to enter into a spirited conversation on EV's and what I believe to be the inconsistencies in the rational for their use but I would never suggest that someone not fulfill their automotive dreams with a EV. Just don't send me the bill or demand that I get in the EV line.

Agree with this.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

£7500 for everyone buying an ev..wow..how benevolent USA is.
Nil such in UK though for business buyers there are tax breaks.

Not so benevolent. The figure heads are playing with other peoples money namely off the backs of people such as me. I'm in the demographic that makes too much for the handouts but too little to have all the tax shelters. I just get taxed to death and it doesn't matter which party is in office both have given me the shaft.

[Tejas1836]

I'm conservative with my money, liberal with everyone else's

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

I'm conservative with my money, liberal with everyone else's

Said every politician.

[KRS_SN]

So 750000 ev sales in the usa in 2022 looking ahead applying the $7500 to this figure yearly gives us
$ 5,625,000,000
I'm not even sure how much that is..yearly..handout.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

So 750000 ev sales in the usa in 2022 looking ahead applying the $7500 to this figure yearly gives us
$ 5,625,000,000
I'm not even sure how much that is..yearly..handout.

Lots of restrictions on the credit.


https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/7...you-money-now/

Just the income restrictions knock many out of getting the credit.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Lots of restrictions on the credit.


https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/7...you-money-now/

Just the income restrictions knock many out of getting the credit.

Having read through that and the associated link (foreign entity of concern) appears like a loose Web to keep people happy but manufacturers will run tings around this. Gut instinct I think over 80% of applicants could qualify.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I didn't get any $7500 subsidy.

Same, would buy it again too.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RM7

Granted, I don't have time in a M3P or Plaid, but I test drove a gentleman's M3 dual motor a few months ago and he got me to open it up in a few situations and he commented that it's not that it goes from 0-60, it's that the initial 0-60 acceleration is available at virtually any speed and situation, already rolling at 60, whatever. That's what I was doing, opening it up at 60 and flooring it and it seemed to live up to that claim. Way way faster than a accord in terms of response and acceleration at those speeds.

My point is that "way way faster" may be more than just 0-60.

According to Tesla, the dual motor Model 3 does 0 - 60 in 4.2 seconds (i.e. the "Way way"). The cheapest RWD only Model 3 is 5.8 seconds to 60 PMPH according to Tesla's website. We all know electric motors have a flat torque curve, which explains the feeling of instant acceleration from any starting speed.

Interesting to know is the RWD Model 3 has 271 HP and 350 pounds of torque, yet pulls just a 5.8 second 0 - 60 run (per Tesla's website). My 2006 325i E90 with 215 HP and 199 pounds of torque does 0 - 60 in 6.1 seconds. (per Car and Driver testing).

[zx10guy]

My perspective of speed is skewed and I don't live by just 0 to 60. Once you get on a modern sport bike everything you drive is slow. Only thing that will rival the sheer brutality of acceleration is a hypercar and I'm talking about at any speed...not just at a standing start. The thing is I can keep doing these types of displays of acceleration repeatedly with only a few minutes needed to "recharge" at 30+MPG.

From my observations, the red herring about people saying EVs have this brutal torque hit from the get go is that most EV drivers (including Tesla owners) barely if ever tap into this power. There are many times I'm creeping behind an EV (to include Teslas) on an on ramp to a highway. If one were to actually use the potential of that car, this would be the time to do it but very rarely does anyone actually do. This falls in line to how most people drive which is to casually get from point A to B which they can easily do with an econobox ICE car for much less money both upfront and over the long term.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

My perspective of speed is skewed and I don't live by just 0 to 60. Once you get on a modern sport bike everything you drive is slow. Only thing that will rival the sheer brutality of acceleration is a hypercar and I'm talking about at any speed...not just at a standing start. The thing is I can keep doing these types of displays of acceleration repeatedly with only a few minutes needed to "recharge" at 30+MPG.

From my observations, the red herring about people saying EVs have this brutal torque hit from the get go is that most EV drivers (including Tesla owners) barely if ever tap into this power. There are many times I'm creeping behind an EV (to include Teslas) on an on ramp to a highway. If one were to actually use the potential of that car, this would be the time to do it but very rarely does anyone actually do. This falls in line to how most people drive which is to casually get from point A to B which they can easily do with an econobox ICE car for much less money both upfront and over the long term.

I guess people just drive really slow in DC overall then? Because I can remember plenty of situations where I saw a performance EV just floor it, on the highway, getting onto the highway, in traffic, etc. And they are gone, you aren't matching it.

I mean, on on-ramps, 99% of everyone everyone doesn't speed up until AFTER they get on the highway for some dumbfounding reason. And as they are getting close to merge they start whiplashing their neck desperately trying to see in the blind spot they've adjusted their side mirror to exclude because they like seeing the rear of their car. But that's just everywhere.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by RM7

I guess people just drive really slow in DC overall then? Because I can remember plenty of situations where I saw a performance EV just floor it, on the highway, getting onto the highway, in traffic, etc. And they are gone, you aren't matching it.

I mean, on on-ramps, 99% of everyone everyone doesn't speed up until AFTER they get on the highway for some dumbfounding reason. And as they are getting close to merge they start whiplashing their neck desperately trying to see in the blind spot they've adjusted their side mirror to exclude because they like seeing the rear of their car. But that's just everywhere.

You just proved my point. If it's everywhere that people crawl onto the highway from the on ramps. What good is that performance that's on tap from EVs when the everyday driver never uses it?

As to a performance EV, I'll take that bet with my S1000RR. Because apparently you've never been on a modern sport bike. Especially the Kawasaki H2.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

You just proved my point. If it's everywhere that people crawl onto the highway from the on ramps. What good is that performance that's on tap from EVs when the everyday driver never uses it?

As to a performance EV, I'll take that bet with my S1000RR. Because apparently you've never been on a modern sport bike. Especially the Kawasaki H2.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

You just proved my point. If it's everywhere that people crawl onto the highway from the on ramps. What good is that performance that's on tap from EVs when the everyday driver never uses it?

As to a performance EV, I'll take that bet with my S1000RR. Because apparently you've never been on a modern sport bike. Especially the Kawasaki H2.

I’ve beat and have been beaten in the GTR when going against bikes. But it is funny how most riders are just dumbfounded when they get beat. It’s the best. Still waiting to catch a Plaid. Hopefully this weekend heading to the shore🙏🙏

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by gblansten

And that's with the H2 at 228 HP. The H2R is 310 HP and lighter than the H2. My S1000RR is 205 HP with a wet weight of 435 lbs.

[fcman]

People have no clue how fast the Plaid really is. Here's a freaking SUV putting bus lengths on a 720s (skip to 5:10). Earlier in the vid they show some races starting from a higher speed as well, results are barely closer, 720s still gets smoked

[RM7]

I feel like that was just a flex above for that guy to show off his motorcycle or something.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by RM7

I feel like that was just a flex above for that guy to show off his motorcycle or something.

Sport bike guys that hang around car communities love to think they are special. They don't seem to understand that most of us can afford top tier sports bikes, we just don't like bikes lol