Marketing or Tuning. Now THAT is the question. Vishnu PROcede V2 update

mesier1111 · 06-07-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Sometimes the problem with actual developing new things is that you can't rely on other companies to do the beta testing for you

LOL!!!! Nice.........where I come from that is an old fashioned

Shiv, I like the way you do things...........

mesier1111 · 06-07-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's okay... and all in good fun. FWIW, SfValley335i and Terry were the only two people that we ever refused to sell a PROcede to. I suspect much of their issues with us have to do with the rejection

shiv

That is FUCKING AWESOME, that you actually refused to sell them your product. LOVE a vendor that has enough principle to say no to $$$. Awesome.........just awesome:rocks:

mesier1111 · 06-07-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by soma4u

BRAND NEW BMW...$50,000
BRAND NEW PROcede...$1300
BRAND NEW EXHAUST...$1300
WATCHING SHIV SHOVE A V2 PROcede up Terry's ass...PRICELESS

e.n335 · 06-07-2007, 01:12 PM

@ Terry

I don't agree to ban and you know you once did me a favour and provided information to me I needed to know. Why don't you just turn around your negative energy and be constructive. It's really not funny how you behave most of the time, at least I don't get it. Shiv did a great job, is it that hard for you to accept so that you try hard to find something negative ( this time it doesn't work ) to continue your destructive behaviour ? You waste your potential and my time.

Cheers
Eugen

mesier1111 · 06-07-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdude

When I detect a certain aroma during an interview, a whole new fee schedule kicks in. Regular assholes pay a premium over my regular fee. I tell extreme assholes I can't help them.

Sounds like you and me went to the same school of law

SfValley335i · 06-07-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Exactly! still don't see anything about extra wires.

So as you can see v2 does require some form up additional wires or reconfiguration of the wires or else someone from Vishnu would've dissmissed my statement.

e.n335 · 06-07-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

So as you can see v2 does require some form up additional wires or reconfiguration of the wires or else someone from Vishnu would've dissmissed my statement.

And what's your problem with the wires, if so ?

mesier1111 · 06-07-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kujo

WALK the new M3 ?
You guys are delusional.........

A fully decked out 335i will be pretty equal to the new M3, but that's it.
We'll see what happens with the new DCT M3 runs against a modded Step 335i. No " I missed a shift excuses " there........

Honestly.

I'll take an M over a modded 335 all week long.
I'm just waiting for the e90 M3.

Hell, I can buy an Evo and mod it to beat a Ferrari, but is it a Ferrari ? NO.

A modded 335 is just that. A modded car.
KJ

AMEN, Shiv I love what you are doing. But guys, I must say I will be buying the 09 M3 with DCT, DSG or whatever they wind up calling it.

SfValley335i · 06-07-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mesier1111

That is FUCKING AWESOME, that you actually refused to sell them your product. LOVE a vendor that has enough principle to say no to $$$. Awesome.........just awesome:rocks:

There was never a time where there was money put on the table and Vishnu said no.

SfValley335i · 06-07-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

And what's your problem with the wires, if so ?

I have no problems with Wires. Nor do I own a Procede to care about wires or not. I mentioned to someone that it required additional wires and JonMartin disagreed.... I just want to clarify to him that he not well informed.

Dannys M3 · 06-07-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

It already happened earlier this week. AA is sending out Map switches to ALL of their Xede customers.

A switch is not considered an ECU hardware upgrade anyone can buy that at radio shack. BTW I've had a switch in my xede from day one...

Terry335 · 06-07-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

And what's your problem with the wires, if so ?

I don't have a problem with wires at all. I just never understand why it's not all upfront information. If its true that the competation (e.g. xede) can't do whatever it is he is doing, why not share the information?

e.n335 · 06-07-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

There was never a time where there was money put on the table and Vishnu said no.

Put the money on the table and try it ...

lawdude · 06-07-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

There was never a time where there was money put on the table and Vishnu said no.

OK, time to find out. Put some money on the table.

<edit> Oops. too late.

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bmwzimmer · 06-07-2007, 01:37 PM

Let's look at Horsepower per dollar.
AA XEDE $1200 per for ~ 325 whp = $3.69 / HP
TT $599 for ~ 310 whp = $1.93 / HP
Procede 2.0 $1300 w/o exhaust probably makes ~ 355 hp so = $3.66 / HP

So all in all, The XEDE and Procede are very comparable from a cost per HP perspective so XEDE users shouldn't feel at all bad about their purchase. Both are great products. TT users are for a different kind customer that suits their needs just fine.
All great products that meet all kinds of different needs.

sflgator · 06-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMD

Not quite true. The seller is not required to collect the tax. You are supposed to claim it though and pay it on April 15.

Of course this is seldom done.

Interesting...didn't know that. Thanks...not that I'll be doing that though.

SfValley335i · 06-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kujo

WALK the new M3 ?
You guys are delusional.........

A fully decked out 335i will be pretty equal to the new M3, but that's it.
We'll see what happens with the new DCT M3 runs against a modded Step 335i. No " I missed a shift excuses " there........

Honestly.

I'll take an M over a modded 335 all week long.
I'm just waiting for the e90 M3.

Hell, I can buy an Evo and mod it to beat a Ferrari, but is it a Ferrari ? NO.

A modded 335 is just that. A modded car.
KJ

I agree!
A modded 335 will never be equal to a stock e9x M3. Just like how most people in the Honda-tech forum thinks their HB's with a swap is better than a ferrari just cause it can trap low ET's. Ferrari is a ferrari and a 335 or any modded car is just that. End of the day the m3 or ferrari will get you more females.

e.n335 · 06-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

I don't have a problem with wires at all. I just never understand why it's not all upfront information. If its true that the competation (e.g. xede) can't do whatever it is he is doing, why not share the information?

PROcede v2 is a preliminary release, nothing is finalized. Shiv gave us some information to know where we go with the PROcede. The rest is still open and gives room for implementation. So hard to understand ?

bmwzimmer · 06-07-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

I don't have a problem with wires at all. I just never understand why it's not all upfront information. If its true that the competation (e.g. xede) can't do whatever it is he is doing, why not share the information?

It's UNDER DEVELOPMENT so why give information that's subject to change???

kujo · 06-07-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

There are a whole mess of kits shipping out tomorrow. There are 5 kits extra that we have in stock right. They can also ship out tomorrow. Once those last 5 are spoken for, it'll be late next week before we'll get any more units in stock.

When v2 is ready for mass consumption, all PROcede users are welcome to the upgrade. No wait.

shiv

Thanks so much.
I should have my car back out of fuel pump hell in about 2 weeks.

kj

Terry335 · 06-07-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

It's UNDER DEVELOPMENT so why give information that's subject to change???

Let's put it this way. We all know the procede currently has connections for boost adjustment, af adjustment, and timing adjustment. We can also derive from his posts that this latest round of changes would require additonal parameters (e.g. mph, temperature, *maybe* vanos, etc). So it follows you need additonal wires. Customers of his are flat out asking if you need additonal wires, and he isn't answering. What's the big deal? People will gladly install a wire or two to pickup 20rwhp.

lawdude · 06-07-2007, 01:48 PM

Part of Shiv's job is to create buzz. Fom the looks of this thread he's doing a great job. And when the thread starts to slow down, along comes Terry right on cue and keeps the buzz going. No telling how many new orders Shiv's received just from this thread alone. Shiv ought to give Terry part of his profits for all the business he's helped to generate.

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e.n335 Moderator 279 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	@ Terry I don't agree to ban and you know you once did me a favour and provided information to me I needed to know. Why don't you just turn around your negative energy and be constructive. It's really not funny how you behave most of the time, at least I don't get it. Shiv did a great job, is it that hard for you to accept so that you try hard to find something negative ( this time it doesn't work ) to continue your destructive behaviour ? You waste your potential and my time. Cheers Eugen
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bmwzimmer Major 39 Rep 1,084 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 91 octane states iTrader: (0)	Let's look at Horsepower per dollar. AA XEDE $1200 per for ~ 325 whp = $3.69 / HP TT $599 for ~ 310 whp = $1.93 / HP Procede 2.0 $1300 w/o exhaust probably makes ~ 355 hp so = $3.66 / HP So all in all, The XEDE and Procede are very comparable from a cost per HP perspective so XEDE users shouldn't feel at all bad about their purchase. Both are great products. TT users are for a different kind customer that suits their needs just fine. All great products that meet all kinds of different needs.
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lawdude Colonel 95 Rep 2,339 Posts Drives: 335i ZPP ZSP TiAg MT Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia iTrader: (1)	Part of Shiv's job is to create buzz. Fom the looks of this thread he's doing a great job. And when the thread starts to slow down, along comes Terry right on cue and keeps the buzz going. No telling how many new orders Shiv's received just from this thread alone. Shiv ought to give Terry part of his profits for all the business he's helped to generate.
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