[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by RombinHood2

I'm happy to say, it's quite the opposite. Lots of progress and news to report soon. It would be safe to say that this is the quiet before the storm. There are a few legal-related matters to wrap up. Being on the receiving end of a few unveiled threats (from more than one tuning company) did put things in perspective.

I already told you, 09 f9, plug in your obd port, 09, f9, uncompress the zip filleeeeee, 09, f9.....

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by RombinHood2

I'm happy to say, it's quite the opposite. Lots of progress and news to report soon. It would be safe to say that this is the quiet before the storm. There are a few legal-related matters to wrap up. Being on the receiving end of a few unveiled threats (from more than one tuning company) did put things in perspective.

I know it may be difficult to do so, but it would be great if you could somehow release who those tuning companies are. The community deserves to know who is trying to stifle continued evolution of this platform and decide to take their business elsewhere should they feel like no longer supporting those who prefer to threaten new and innovative ideas and products in this market rather than innovate themselves.

[Ænema]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I know it may be difficult to do so, but it would be great if you could somehow release who those tuning companies are. The community deserves to know who is trying to stifle continued evolution of this platform and decide to take their business elsewhere should they feel like no longer supporting those who prefer to threaten new and innovative ideas and products in this market rather than innovate themselves.

Unless, of course, IP has been stolen and used in the development of this. In that case copyright law is still the law...

[cwarren]

^ +1

[Gugs]

No laws are being broken. This isnt being done for profit, you are not a business.
Stop being scared by pathetic tuning companies that should be focused on furthering development not hindering it.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Ænema

Unless, of course, IP has been stolen and used in the development of this. In that case copyright law is still the law...

No other tuner's IP has been stolen Any tuner who is claiming this should be very careful with that they say.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I know it may be difficult to do so, but it would be great if you could somehow release who those tuning companies are. The community deserves to know who is trying to stifle continued evolution of this platform and decide to take their business elsewhere should they feel like no longer supporting those who prefer to threaten new and innovative ideas and products in this market rather than innovate themselves.

At the end of the day, everyone is trying to protect their business. And most will go to some pretty ridiculous extremes to do this. If only everyone knew what goes on behind the scenes. It's pretty funny. Futile. But funny.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I know it may be difficult to do so, but it would be great if you could somehow release who those tuning companies are. The community deserves to know who is trying to stifle continued evolution of this platform and decide to take their business elsewhere should they feel like no longer supporting those who prefer to threaten new and innovative ideas and products in this market rather than innovate themselves.

This.

The same businesses are stealing BMW flash parameters, tweaking a part of them, and selling the maps as their own for profit. This is called copyright IPR infringement.

In this light these threats make one mad, especially since Rombinhood is not doing anything illegal but tries to help the community.

Let's hear who these businesses are, by PM if nothing else.

Edit: I don't care about the infringements of the flash tuner businesses, it is just the two-faced hypocrisy that is irritating.

[woosh]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I know it may be difficult to do so, but it would be great if you could somehow release who those tuning companies are. The community deserves to know who is trying to stifle continued evolution of this platform and decide to take their business elsewhere should they feel like no longer supporting those who prefer to threaten new and innovative ideas and products in this market rather than innovate themselves.

Well said.

Don't let their efforts sway your commitment, OP.

[V8bait]

Do want open source. Is Friday the big day for the big update?

[Continue5]

Dragstrip season is here we need a open source solution for us Procede users with fuel trim problems soon can't wait for this to be finished!

[widebody335]

Bump? Here's a pic of some hardware development to hopefully spark some software development

[crypticc]

Originally Posted by Gugs

No laws are being broken. This isnt being done for profit, you are not a business.
Stop being scared by pathetic tuning companies that should be focused on furthering development not hindering it.

I think it is this bit that is the concern.

I'll be honest, I have [cough] hacked [cough] a few flash tunes and found what has been changed. For instance I know that what appears to be the fuel maps are located at 703A4 and 706B4 addresses on my particular software version (IJE0S) And what appears to be boost/load target maps are at 6318E and 6318E. And so on...

It's one thing adjusting a single parameter using ATR or whatever and then querying to see what changed and then seeing if you can encode / write that same change using a different process or software. Because the process of writing is unique and the knowledge of the details in the tables isn't actually material. Also using your new process to methodically tweak locations to index their purpose is also okay. That is effectively what AMD did with Intel after all. If they get agreement to leverage information found by others the hard way and given up voluntarily e.g. Shiv, then that would again seem to be okay.

But if the approach is to methodically go through ATR or another tune, tweaking, flashing, and then harvesting what someone else has discovered then that is a whole different story. if this cannot be ruled out, Cobb or other flash tuners may be regretting ever making their tools e.g. ATR free to the public - now that definitely doesn't forward the platform and might even affect future projects on other platforms longer term.

I haven't seen yet but is OP able to clarify their original statement on how they are proposing to go about finding out what does what? Until that is done this will not go away. Once that is clarified the haters can also stop hating.

Sorry to ask but cheers

[jippii ensio]

Let's hear who are behind those threats and we'll badmouth them in every possible forum.

[OpenFlash]

Fwiw, the tunes that Rombinhood dug through were mine. And I applauded him for it

The public availability of ATR does help but not in the way that one would expect. In this case, it helps when it comes to naming the tables as it doesn't make sense to have different tuning suites using different table names. That would only confuse the end users. It seems that Cobb agrees with this as they did the same thing when they released their first-ever ATR for the Subaru platform a decade ago, soon after Ecutek released their software to the public. IIRC, they used the same table names, even those that were purposely mislabeled by Ecutek. Anyone to cry about IP theft when they make a business doing just that might just be a hypocrite

[crypticc]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Fwiw, the tunes that Rombinhood dug through were mine. And I applauded him for it

The public availability of ATR does help but not in the way that one would expect. In this case, it helps when it comes to naming the tables as it doesn't make sense to have different tuning suites using different table names. That would only confuse the end users. It seems that Cobb agrees with this as they did the same thing when they released their first-ever ATR for the Subaru platform a decade ago, soon after Ecutek released their software to the public. IIRC, they used the same table names, even those that were purposely mislabeled by Ecutek. Anyone to cry about IP theft when they make a business doing just that might just be a hypocrite

for the background....Thanks

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Fwiw, the tunes that Rombinhood dug through were mine. And I applauded him for it

The public availability of ATR does help but not in the way that one would expect. In this case, it helps when it comes to naming the tables as it doesn't make sense to have different tuning suites using different table names. That would only confuse the end users. It seems that Cobb agrees with this as they did the same thing when they released their first-ever ATR for the Subaru platform a decade ago, soon after Ecutek released their software to the public. IIRC, they used the same table names, even those that were purposely mislabeled by Ecutek. Anyone to cry about IP theft when they make a business doing just that might just be a hypocrite

The difference is statute is up lol.

[New JerZ]

So can we get a status here, last I heard was that there was some major announcement coming soon...That was weeks (if not a month) ago. If this has been shutdown we should know about it so we can express our feelings on the matter towards the people at Cobb. I am sorry but stifling the progress on this platform is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. We NEED people hacking this platform...AutoTrans TCU says hello!....Someone update this thread so we know the deal.

[Bluesun]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

At the end of the day, everyone is trying to protect their business. And most will go to some pretty ridiculous extremes to do this. If only everyone knew what goes on behind the scenes. It's pretty funny. Futile. But funny.

Can you say why you are not able to divulge this information?

[black335i]

Ready for this

[New JerZ]

In the end progress will not be suppressed. As with any other hacking scenario simply anonymously release all the IP that has been gathered and watch the community piece everything together and the company behind the threats loses all hope of protecting what isn't theirs in the first place.

[black335i]

nice if it came out by wednesday, so what do I need to buy.