[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

this is heating back up can motorcycle guy and motorcycle hater keep going at it

[fcman]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

this is heating back up can motorcycle guy and motorcycle hater keep going at it

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by fcman

Ok, and that has what to do with the efficiency and viability of renewables?

Waste is an associated cost when determining efficiency and viability isn't it?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by fcman

I grew up on bikes lol. Emphasis on "grew up". Even my sister rode/still rides

Sure you did. Lol.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Waste is an associated cost when determining efficiency and viability isn't it?

Absolutely, however the article is simply outlining that we need to make improvements to the reduction of waste, it is not stating that the waste makes renewable energy sources unviable

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Sure you did. Lol.

Lol, stay salty old man

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by David70

Differential getting smaller is not the same as price parity. I don't see why you used this quote to prove your point.

Parity -
1. the state or condition of being equal, especially regarding status or pay.

Okay, I'll try...

You said $48K average vehicle price. Since 93% of the market is ICE, the average is comprised mostly of ICE pricing. You then said the price of the Model 3 (with tax credit) is $34K (i.e. well below the ICE average price), which implies the Model 3 has parity of pricing with ICE. Parity is implied based on the Model 3 being lower in price (with tax rebate) than the ICE average, then $34K is within the realm of ICE pricing (i.e "parity").

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Lol. The "lowest common denominator" is someone who buys a Tesla Plaid or Model 3P and can mash the go pedal to the floor and think they can drive fast.

I’m definitely lowest common denominator guy.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

There are significant head winds (sorry couldn't resist) to wind power

Siemens Energy shares plunge more than 37% as wind turbine worries deepen
Siemens Energy estimates that component failures may be occurring in between 15% and 30% of its installed fleet of turbines, but Green noted that there is still a “slight question mark about where that liability ends.”

The problem is that bad choices are being made in false argument of climate change and the free market is being ignored.

Well, I guess I've been told huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by fcman

Lol, stay salty old man

I'm more suger than spice.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by David70

Link doesn't work for me but I don't see this proving wind power has a problem, instead Siemens has a component failure problem. No idea if this is a large problem for them or not.

Renewables continue to go up, coal continues to go down, renewables now larger than coal. I think this is a good thing.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-in-the-us.php
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Link didn't work for me either and it stands as Siemens problem. With my link above there are so many companies in the industry that wind is more than just an emerging market and a real player. I used to live in the Indy area and traveled to Muncie to work and saw turbine blades every day for years going to and from work to the wind farm near BFE Lafayette.

My brother-in-law (like some here) said that TVA tried turbines and it is a losing proposition. Now, look just how many of there there are and how profitable they are. TVA couldn't make them work. I guess next people will bitch about how they LMFAO cause cancer, or FFS, kill birds!

Yes solar is vulnerable to hail like turbines are vulnerable to tornados or hurricanes. I guess coal, oil, and NG are not vulnerable to fire? Oh yeah, fire, how was that air 2-3 weeks ago up north and mid west? Nuclear and fusion both have catastrophic consequences. I'll take about boronated carbide (B4C) or a Tokamak/Stellarator with ya'll for a minute and blow your mind. Go play with sticks.

I would like to have seen the doubters here back in 1897 when the first person saw a motorized carriage....hey, ma hoarse isn fastner tha that thar noisy buuuggy! Or earlier...the wheel.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

I just don't know whos going to get the final blow in the motorcycle battle royale!!!!!!!!!1


2035 lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Well, I guess I've been told huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

I'll take your word for it.

From the bastion of conservatism, The Harvard Gazette
Wind farms will cause more environmental impact than previously thought

In two papers — published today in the journals Environmental Research Letters and Joule — Harvard University researchers find that the transition to wind or solar power in the U.S. would require five to 20 times more land than previously thought, and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius.

The Harvard researchers found that the warming effect of wind turbines in the continental U.S. was actually larger than the effect of reduced emissions for the first century of its operation. This is because the warming effect is predominantly local to the wind farm, while greenhouse gas concentrations must be reduced globally before the benefits are realized.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...its-down-side/

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I'll take your word for it.

From the bastion of conservatism, The Harvard Gazette
Wind farms will cause more environmental impact than previously thought

In two papers — published today in the journals Environmental Research Letters and Joule — Harvard University researchers find that the transition to wind or solar power in the U.S. would require five to 20 times more land than previously thought, and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius.

The Harvard researchers found that the warming effect of wind turbines in the continental U.S. was actually larger than the effect of reduced emissions for the first century of its operation. This is because the warming effect is predominantly local to the wind farm, while greenhouse gas concentrations must be reduced globally before the benefits are realized.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...its-down-side/

Luckily right in the very next sentence they remind us that solar is a fantastic alternative.

"Miller and Keith repeated the calculation for solar power and found that its climate impacts were about 10 times smaller than wind’s."

Thanks for the great solar endorsement. I knew you were a treehugger

[ggunn9]

No chicken strips Nice very nice.

I used to do Barber in Leeds, Alabama on my GSX-R 750.

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Thank you for succinctly summarizing with the FTFY:

"They don't seem to understand that most of us can afford top tier sports bikes, we just are scared of sport bikes and lack the skills to ride one"

And as you said, anyone can just stomp their right foot down in a car to drag race. Even doing mindless drag racing on a bike takes some skill in keeping the front end down and maintain stability/traction. And with your point about people bragging about how quick performance EVs are to do these mindless drag races to justify their purchases is totally counter to the marketing propaganda of them being green.

I don't need to flex with being a keyboard warrior about how "special" I am. Never said I was. But I think I know a bit about straight line and corner speed when I can produce the results below. This year at VIR. And I'm not the fastest guy on track.




I'm on this car community because I'm also car enthusiast and will always have a performance oriented car in addition to a street bike(s) that are really race bikes with turn signals and headlights.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Link didn't work for me either and it stands as Siemens problem. With my link above there are so many companies in the industry that wind is more than just an emerging market and a real player. I used to live in the Indy area and traveled to Muncie to work and saw turbine blades every day for years going to and from work to the wind farm near BFE Lafayette.

My brother-in-law (like some here) said that TVA tried turbines and it is a losing proposition. Now, look just how many of there there are and how profitable they are. TVA couldn't make them work. I guess next people will bitch about how they LMFAO cause cancer, or FFS, kill birds!

Yes solar is vulnerable to hail like turbines are vulnerable to tornados or hurricanes. I guess coal, oil, and NG are not vulnerable to fire? Oh yeah, fire, how was that air 2-3 weeks ago up north and mid west? Nuclear and fusion both have catastrophic consequences. I'll take about boronated carbide (B4C) or a Tokamak/Stellarator with ya'll for a minute and blow your mind. Go play with sticks.

I would like to have seen the doubters here back in 1897 when the first person saw a motorized carriage....hey, ma hoarse isn fastner tha that thar noisy buuuggy! Or earlier...the wheel.

Here's the difference:

Wheel - no similar tech existed other than heavy logs, slaves and donkeys (see below...)

Motorized Carrage - ICE power immediatley found to be far better tech than horse-power. More work done per day, less maintenance, higher reliability, reduced cost, reduced tail (pipe) emissions.

EV no substantial benefit over ICE technology, even after 100+ years of EV development. Less work done per day, increase in unit cost, shifting tail pipe emissions to non-urban areas.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

EV no substantial benefit over ICE technology, even after 100+ years of EV development.

Lies, the substantial benefit is making luddites very angry on the internet

[M5Rick]

We have a motorbike bike show here that I watch sometimes and yes..you guessed it, a electric motorcycle was shown, an EM, they'll soon be coming out with a diesel bike too the way things are going

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by fcman

Lies, the substantial benefit is making luddites very angry on the internet

A Luddite is someone who still spins vinyl and thinks an LP from a 100,000 consumer pressing run when played on a Technics direct-drive turntable provides better fidelity than a .wav file.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

A Luddite is someone who still spins vinyl and thinks an LP from a 100,000 consumer pressing run when played on a Technics direct-drive turntable provides better fidelity than a .wav file.

This got me in the feels.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We have a motorbike bike show here that I watch sometimes and yes..you guessed it, a electric motorcycle was shown, an EM, they'll soon be coming out with a diesel bike too the way things are going

Here in the US, Harley Davidson spun off its EV motorcycle to a separate division called Live Wire. Neat bike. About 100 mile range. But you really can't ride it anywhere...

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by fcman

Thanks for the great solar endorsement. I knew you were a treehugger

I'm absolutely a "tree Hugger" The bulk of my earning years were in the outdoor industry. I worry about anyone who isn't a tree hugger but I believe in investments in environmentally sound technologies and not government funded boondoggles. How is that Solyndra, Abound Solar or A123 Systems doing? The money being pissed away on this green fallacy could make a massive impact on energy effecient heating and cooling and building construction, but it really isn't about the environment is it?