[song8062]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

My guess (and I'm only qualified to guess, as I'm not familiar enough with the whole programming process up close)..is that you need to fool autologic into programming it. My guess is that you would remove the option code for JNAV (is that 807?) and put in 609 for Nav Professional. My guess is that you would also have to temporarily change the region code for the car to ECE (or something other than Japan) to get the Autologic to recognize it as a car that should get software for a CCC. Once programming was complete, you likely could change it back to its original region code.

The problem is that I am still guessing as well, we don't know exactly why autologic does not want to talk to NAVI part in CCC. Well, I can say 80% is because that region issue, however the tech had removed 807 and autologic still does not talk to NAVI, so I am guessing after he removed 807, he will also need to reprogram the whole car to let ever other modue in the car to think it is not Japan version, then Autologic can probabaly recognize the NAVI. Also I don't think there is a option code for ECE car. if you know there is a option code for ECE car, can you tell me what is it?
I will talk to the tech next week and try this, I mean other than that I don't know what else I can try, I don't want to give up just yet.

[ruxp]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

While I know there is talk of the "new" i-drive (CIC) retrofit, I just wanted to let everyone know that my (CCC) i-drive retrofit is now 100% complete. As of today, I have full functionality, including voice control, traffic info and no faults whatsoever. The full retrofit is now complete.

As such, I have updated my retrofit document (PDF) for anyone interested in the process. This will likely be my last update to it unless someone sends me some pictures to add from their retrofit. It can be found here:

http://home.comcast.net/~Booster/idr...e_retrofit.pdf

Thanks for everyone's help and enthusiasm (well, at least some of you were enthusiastic!) Just goes to show...where there's a will, there's a way!

Its almost winter time....I'm on to my heated seat retrofit!.....

Damn. That is a serious fucking accomplishment. You are my hero.

[song8062]

Just came back from workshop, bad news again, we have changed nation version to UK in VO but still could not program the CCC, this problem has been escalated to Autologic technical support, hope will have solution soon.
Hope anyone here can give me some good suggestions.

[Frank2808]

Amazing project!! I'd like to add that if the people are finding the software portion of the retrofit daunting you might want to try swapping the hardware and using a carputer to operate the screen. Just a thought.

[azmp1]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

My guess (and I'm only qualified to guess, as I'm not familiar enough with the whole programming process up close)..is that you need to fool autologic into programming it. My guess is that you would remove the option code for JNAV (is that 807?) and put in 609 for Nav Professional. My guess is that you would also have to temporarily change the region code for the car to ECE (or something other than Japan) to get the Autologic to recognize it as a car that should get software for a CCC. Once programming was complete, you likely could change it back to its original region code.

wow... that is an amazing job. two thumbs up to you Booster4075!!!

well, this may seem like a stupid question for the simple fact that i'm on the wrong forum asking about a wrong car, but i guess, the worst thing that can happen is i will not get an aswer i need and will have to continue with my search.

in any case, we just bought a new 08 X5 for my wife (our third) and just like you, unfortunatly we don't have a nav in this one (the previuos two did), but the deal was good as i figured i'll just retrofit... I've done extensive electronic and mechnical retrofits on both my current Audi a4 and my old e39 540 including nav on both, so techincal aspect for me is no problem. The problem however is that (to my surprise) there's very little info (no DIY's whatsoever) on any of the X5 boards that i post for an e70 nav retrofit.... My last several years i've been pretty much doing nothing but Audi work, so my info on where/how for the Bimmers is pretty thin now days.

In any case, my main question is how/where did you source/bought the parts, how did you find all the wiring diagrams, any other info that can help me start. One thing, i only doing the nav, since i already have the iDrive.

I don't want to threadjack here, so if you (or anyone else) have any suggestions feel free to PM me.

Thanks!

[song8062]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

My guess (and I'm only qualified to guess, as I'm not familiar enough with the whole programming process up close)..is that you need to fool autologic into programming it. My guess is that you would remove the option code for JNAV (is that 807?) and put in 609 for Nav Professional. My guess is that you would also have to temporarily change the region code for the car to ECE (or something other than Japan) to get the Autologic to recognize it as a car that should get software for a CCC. Once programming was complete, you likely could change it back to its original region code.

Good news, that my retrofit is almost completed. Thanks autologic in UK they have fixed every tricky part in my car and now the CCC is fully functioning.
My dash has just arrived today, will put everything together next week and done!

We have to send the log file to UK each time after autologic reads it. and they generate a new program file and send back to us for testing, we were going back and forth for a week, finally had all going!

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by azmp1

wow... that is an amazing job. two thumbs up to you Booster4075!!!

well, this may seem like a stupid question for the simple fact that i'm on the wrong forum asking about a wrong car, but i guess, the worst thing that can happen is i will not get an aswer i need and will have to continue with my search.

in any case, we just bought a new 08 X5 for my wife (our third) and just like you, unfortunatly we don't have a nav in this one (the previuos two did), but the deal was good as i figured i'll just retrofit... I've done extensive electronic and mechnical retrofits on both my current Audi a4 and my old e39 540 including nav on both, so techincal aspect for me is no problem. The problem however is that (to my surprise) there's very little info (no DIY's whatsoever) on any of the X5 boards that i post for an e70 nav retrofit.... My last several years i've been pretty much doing nothing but Audi work, so my info on where/how for the Bimmers is pretty thin now days.

In any case, my main question is how/where did you source/bought the parts, how did you find all the wiring diagrams, any other info that can help me start. One thing, i only doing the nav, since i already have the iDrive.

I don't want to threadjack here, so if you (or anyone else) have any suggestions feel free to PM me.

Thanks!

Hmmm....I'm surprised no one has run in to this before on an e70....maybe YOU are the guinea pig! heh heh - I bet there must be someone who's done this on the newer X5...they seem very popular for mods.. (Are you xtrmdad on x5 world?)

All the wiring diagrams were found on the BMW WDS (if you don't have one, you should get it - it covers all cars.) I sourced the parts from ebay and learned the hard way to buy parts for my region (ie. U.S.) Eventually, I obtained parts from a local salvage yard with a 6-month warranty. I'm not at all familiar with the X5, but it seems that if you already have the i-drive, that retrofit should be a bit easier(?) - (BMW doesn't offer this as a factory retrofit?)

Thanks for the kudos and good luck on your endeavor!

[garyhgaryh]

Booster,
From your experience thus far, how easy would it be to retrofit the factory ipod/usb (6FL) option to an e90/e92 that already has i-drive? I figured with all you did, you might be able to answer this off the top of your head.

This is the one option I wish I ordered!

Also, how much did this project cost? If you factor the parts you sold, what was the net cost?

Thanks,
Gary

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by garyhgaryh

Booster,
From your experience thus far, how easy would it be to retrofit the factory ipod/usb (6FL) option to an e90/e92 that already has i-drive? I figured with all you did, you might be able to answer this off the top of your head.

This is the one option I wish I ordered!

Also, how much did this project cost? If you factor the parts you sold, what was the net cost?

Thanks,
Gary

I, too, wish that I had 6FL, although it wasn't offered when my car was built (although, i-drive was...heh heh). Off the top of my head, I would say it hasn't been possible without a lot of confusion (and expense?) to say the least (nor is it related to this topic). However, there is another thread with guys with nav doing the 6FL retrofit - check this:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=6fl+retrofit

[azmp1]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Hmmm....I'm surprised no one has run in to this before on an e70....maybe YOU are the guinea pig! heh heh - I bet there must be someone who's done this on the newer X5...they seem very popular for mods.. (Are you xtrmdad on x5 world?)

All the wiring diagrams were found on the BMW WDS (if you don't have one, you should get it - it covers all cars.) I sourced the parts from ebay and learned the hard way to buy parts for my region (ie. U.S.) Eventually, I obtained parts from a local salvage yard with a 6-month warranty. I'm not at all familiar with the X5, but it seems that if you already have the i-drive, that retrofit should be a bit easier(?) - (BMW doesn't offer this as a factory retrofit?)

Thanks for the kudos and good luck on your endeavor!

Haha, i'm not the xtrmdad on X5world, i'm azmp1 on there as well. But looks like xtrmdad is also looking to do this, i've read his posts.
I certainly don;t mind being a guinea pig on this one, just wish i can find all the info on parts...
As for the retrofit kit, someone has given me a part number for it, but i called 2 different dealers and they can;t pull it up... both saying its a bad number. I suspect this kit is for Europe only... Other then that not much luck. For the matter effect they even told me that it can't be recoded once i have all the parts since they don't have any manuals on that, which i do think is a load of c..p.
Now i suppose BMW WDS is what used to be ETKA/ETOS?

Thank you for all the advice!

Alex

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by azmp1

Haha, i'm not the xtrmdad on X5world, i'm azmp1 on there as well. But looks like xtrmdad is also looking to do this, i've read his posts.
I certainly don;t mind being a guinea pig on this one, just wish i can find all the info on parts...
As for the retrofit kit, someone has given me a part number for it, but i called 2 different dealers and they can;t pull it up... both saying its a bad number. I suspect this kit is for Europe only... Other then that not much luck. For the matter effect they even told me that it can't be recoded once i have all the parts since they don't have any manuals on that, which i do think is a load of c..p.
Now i suppose BMW WDS is what used to be ETKA/ETOS?

Thank you for all the advice!

Alex

I'm not sure what it used to be called, but the WDS is the Wiring Diagram System - very useful for all cars!

On the E90 there was a retrofit for the Nav from Business to Professional, but it was a Europe-only thing. Even those parts for that retrofit have kind of faded away. However, there is still a codeable retrofit that can be done with Progman (even on US versions of the SSS.) I'm sure the info is out there - you can't be the first one to want to do this!

[azmp1]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

I'm not sure what it used to be called, but the WDS is the Wiring Diagram System - very useful for all cars!

On the E90 there was a retrofit for the Nav from Business to Professional, but it was a Europe-only thing. Even those parts for that retrofit have kind of faded away. However, there is still a codeable retrofit that can be done with Progman (even on US versions of the SSS.) I'm sure the info is out there - you can't be the first one to want to do this!

Well, that what i'm thinking, but for the life of me i can't find anything... Now, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "there is still a codeable retrofit that can be done with Progman (even on US versions of the SSS.)"?

Thanks

[song8062]

Hi Booster4075

How did you get your voice control going in the end? I am trying to get it going as well.
I have checked ETK and it turn out a vioce activation code. I remeber you were saying that car has to be in a list which is in the DVD that from BMW. I am not sure how did you get around with this. I really want to get it working, hope you can help

Also you said you have retrofited the heated seat, I want to know if what's the part number of that panel under the CCC which has the button for heat seat.

Thanks

[scanboy]

Booster4075, good work. I'm interested to know which wire you connect your navi speed sensor wire to. I'm trying find out if there's any speed sensor wire from the car that is available in the center of the dash area.

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by song8062

Hi Booster4075

How did you get your voice control going in the end? I am trying to get it going as well.
I have checked ETK and it turn out a vioce activation code. I remeber you were saying that car has to be in a list which is in the DVD that from BMW. I am not sure how did you get around with this. I really want to get it working, hope you can help

Also you said you have retrofited the heated seat, I want to know if what's the part number of that panel under the CCC which has the button for heat seat.

Thanks

I got the voice control enabled in the end through BMW. A BMW dealer guy I know "ordered" it through the BMW channels and it took a couple of days. Since my car was not equipped w/Nav from the factory, my VIN was not included on the standard DVD issued by BMW to enable this feature. I'm not completely positive, but I think the part number might be: 65 83 6 976 392. This is not "ordered" through traditional part channels...its some special thing done via PUMA or other special dealer method. Evidently, this can be(and was for me) done at no-charge. YMMV.

I have spent quite a bit of time looking into the enabling code, as I thought I would never be able to get it the "proper" way through BMW and their engineering/whatever channels. I think I figured out a hack (although I have three different methods of coming to this) - none have been tested yet to see if I actually figured out what they are doing. The enabling codes are in XML and another file is a security certificate. If anyone here is a programmer, I would encourage them to look at this as well.

I have NOT retrofitted the heated seats...yet. There actually is a retrofit kit available in Europe for the E90, but its not for the sport seats (which I have) - I was thinking of ordering all of the pieces except for seat heater grids and ordering the proper grids for sport seats. There are many panels under the CCC configured for the different switch combinations, depending on the equipment (rear shade, heated seats, front PDC, etc..) This is talk for another thread!

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by scanboy

Booster4075, good work. I'm interested to know which wire you connect your navi speed sensor wire to. I'm trying find out if there's any speed sensor wire from the car that is available in the center of the dash area.

Thanks for the kudos. There is no navi speed sensor specific wire like the older Nav systems. The CCC gets this info off the bus. No special wiring required. If you are trying to just get a speed sensor signal, you may have luck at the dash cluster or obtaining a module which can pull that data off the bus.

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by azmp1

Well, that what i'm thinking, but for the life of me i can't find anything... Now, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "there is still a codeable retrofit that can be done with Progman (even on US versions of the SSS.)"?

Thanks

There is an authorized retrofit made/engineered by BMW to retrofit Navigation from "Business" to "Professional." This retrofit is only intended for Europe (or other non-US markets) as all US cars have "Professional" ("Business" was not an option in the US). This being so, to my knowledge, this programming/coding retrofit software is available on US versions of Progman/SSS, even though these retrofits were never intended to be performed here.

Attached are the install instructions for this retrofit...

[song8062]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

I got the voice control enabled in the end through BMW. A BMW dealer guy I know "ordered" it through the BMW channels and it took a couple of days. Since my car was not equipped w/Nav from the factory, my VIN was not included on the standard DVD issued by BMW to enable this feature. I'm not completely positive, but I think the part number might be: 65 83 6 976 392. This is not "ordered" through traditional part channels...its some special thing done via PUMA or other special dealer method. Evidently, this can be(and was for me) done at no-charge. YMMV.

I have spent quite a bit of time looking into the enabling code, as I thought I would never be able to get it the "proper" way through BMW and their engineering/whatever channels. I think I figured out a hack (although I have three different methods of coming to this) - none have been tested yet to see if I actually figured out what they are doing. The enabling codes are in XML and another file is a security certificate. If anyone here is a programmer, I would encourage them to look at this as well.

I have NOT retrofitted the heated seats...yet. There actually is a retrofit kit available in Europe for the E90, but its not for the sport seats (which I have) - I was thinking of ordering all of the pieces except for seat heater grids and ordering the proper grids for sport seats. There are many panels under the CCC configured for the different switch combinations, depending on the equipment (rear shade, heated seats, front PDC, etc..) This is talk for another thread!

Thanks for this information, it does help alot. You said you have ordered something via BMW? Do you mean voice enable code (a disk which has all the vin that was built with pro nav?)? but you said your car vin is not in the disk, so how does this enable code (or disk) work for you? or do you mean the part that BMW guy helped you to oder was not the enable code (normal enable code disk), it's something special which can eable vioce control on any car?

I am a computer system engineer, I know some programming and xml, where can you see them? how can I obtain the xml file and even I can modify it how can it be loaded on to CCC?

Sorry about too many questions, I just need to understand how does this voice control enable works.

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by song8062

Thanks for this information, it does help alot. You said you have ordered something via BMW? Do you mean voice enable code (a disk which has all the vin that was built with pro nav?)? but you said your car vin is not in the disk, so how does this enable code (or disk) work for you? or do you mean the part that BMW guy helped you to oder was not the enable code (normal enable code disk), it's something special which can eable vioce control on any car?

I am a computer system engineer, I know some programming and xml, where can you see them? how can I obtain the xml file and even I can modify it how can it be loaded on to CCC?

Sorry about too many questions, I just need to understand how does this voice control enable works.

Its not something I ordered...its a set of files ordered and obtained from BMW electronically for dealer use only. Its an enabling code (really just two computer files...an XML file and a security cert.) There is a DVD that all dealers have that contains all of the "authorized" VIN's for enabling voice control. These are cars that came with Nav and have voice control when built. I originally had voice control, but merely had the "Professional" radio - these enabling codes are not necessary unless you have Navigation. These two files are encoded with your individual VIN and will only enable one (your) car per its VIN. The files are used at the end of a programming session with the dealership programming system (SSS) to re-enable voice control. You cannot load it on the CCC...Progman just enables the voice control (in the TCU) to work after being re-flashed. All of these codes are on a special DVD which only dealers have - it has thousands of files (VIN's) which are factory enabled. This was a new concept since Progman v25, likely to maintain control of the dealers charging people to enable voice control on cars which had the hardware, but didn't have the option "turned on."

[song8062]

Originally Posted by Booster4075

Its not something I ordered...its a set of files ordered and obtained from BMW electronically for dealer use only. Its an enabling code (really just two computer files...an XML file and a security cert.) There is a DVD that all dealers have that contains all of the "authorized" VIN's for enabling voice control. These are cars that came with Nav and have voice control when built. I originally had voice control, but merely had the "Professional" radio - these enabling codes are not necessary unless you have Navigation. These two files are encoded with your individual VIN and will only enable one (your) car per its VIN. The files are used at the end of a programming session with the dealership programming system (SSS) to re-enable voice control. You cannot load it on the CCC...Progman just enables the voice control (in the TCU) to work after being re-flashed. All of these codes are on a special DVD which only dealers have - it has thousands of files (VIN's) which are factory enabled. This was a new concept since Progman v25, likely to maintain control of the dealers charging people to enable voice control on cars which had the hardware, but didn't have the option "turned on."

Thanks for the information again, I can now understand how it works. but the vin of your car was not in the file, so you mean someone in dealer has done something tricky to enable that function for you? so guess is either they somehow encode your vin into the file and load it in at end of the programming session, or they did not even use the enable code (file/disk) at all , and enable it for you by using some other method?

Also I know your car has the microphone before, do you know where does that connect to? from the nav->pro retrofit documentation, it says the microphoe connect to CCC directly, but I want to know if the car had ULF or TCU(like your one) then how does the voice control work if the microphone is not connect to CCC. (I can't see the microphone that connect to CCC in the bluetooth retrofit documentation)

If you can tell me how your Microphone connect in your car that would be great.

Thanks

[Booster4075]

Originally Posted by song8062

Thanks for the information again, I can now understand how it works. but the vin of your car was not in the file, so you mean someone in dealer has done something tricky to enable that function for you? so guess is either they somehow encode your vin into the file and load it in at end of the programming session, or they did not even use the enable code (file/disk) at all , and enable it for you by using some other method?

Also I know your car has the microphone before, do you know where does that connect to? from the nav->pro retrofit documentation, it says the microphoe connect to CCC directly, but I want to know if the car had ULF or TCU(like your one) then how does the voice control work if the microphone is not connect to CCC. (I can't see the microphone that connect to CCC in the bluetooth retrofit documentation)

If you can tell me how your Microphone connect in your car that would be great.

Thanks

BMW actually encodes the VIN into the files. They are VIN specific from BMW. The dealer just uses the files with Progman. Without the files, the programming fails and voice control is not enabled.

I believe that there are two microphones - one for the CCC and one for the TCU, both in the upper console. (My car was already set up with it all working, so I never investigated further)

[mcrussell]

I have been told that the FSCode uses RSA crypting (public key and private key). Public key you can read in *.dtd file, but private key is known only by BMW FSC-maker, so there is no way to replicate the security certificate that matches the xml file you need to activate the voice recogniton.

I have a copy of the files used if anyone wants to take a look

Regards

Jason