[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Interesting as my entire setup for my RX-7 was $4k. That's a T04Z coated, fittings, lines, manifold (coated), 4" down (coated) and mid pipes, and 44mm wg and my intake manifold mosses and coated too. That's including fab labor.

And not all evo kits are as you mention. And since when are evos twins?

He was comparing them to what it would cost the 335 since we have 2. I understand what you are saying tho. BTW, how much power are you makin with that rx7, I found one in great shape. 93, 67k miles, never modded, only 13k. I might go get it.

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by Penn999

He was comparing them to what it would cost the 335 since we have 2. I understand what you are saying tho. BTW, how much power are you makin with that rx7, I found one in great shape. 93, 67k miles, never modded, only 13k. I might go get it.

If I were you, I wouldn't go anywhere near a rotary engine unless you are OK with it breaking apex seals (rebuild, new rotor housings, maybe a new turbo when the pieces of the apex seals get horked out of the exhaust port).

You *will* blow your rotary engine if you go for > stock power. 100% guaranteed.

[cgom3z]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Hes on this thread if he chooses to speak up before he does the testing thats on him..

The dyno #'s arent changeable or inflatable..They are what they are.. the dyno doesnt read HIGH and and never has... I know that car had broken T and a boost leak it is quite possible the Dyno reading on boost was off.. Thats a possibility.. however the HP is what it is..

Like i said there will be MANY more tests to come thru here just hang tight.. I have sold 4 sets so far so feedback will be coming thru.. i dont play the dyno game and never have.. if jacked up these test #'s it would only come back to get me on the next 10 sets of turbos i sell.. just sit tight there will be plenty of results.. we all drove the 335i that we did the upgrades on and its VERY VERY clear its make BIG POWER on top just like the dyno shows.. Stock turbos dont pull to 170mph like these did..

Mike

WOW, I guess I must have left an impression on Penn999. I chose to dyno at AWD because I felt they were more reliable than the dyno at AllJap, since there numbers were "too high", plus AWD tuned my friend's EVO X and it’s still running strong.

The mods I still have, when I spoke to Shaun were DCI, exhaust and JB+ at 75%. I remember one of the guys said I had a boost leak and he looked into it (thanks). The numbers at the dyno is what it is, like Mike said. If it was too high for JB+ then, not all cars are created equally.

On that note; Mike, I spoke to Shaun about procede last week when I was there so I should be at the shop sometime in Jan for it.

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by Clap135

labor is also involved in making a turbo to begin with....thats the funny part.

They are offering a reasonable deal, IMHO. You can't reasonably compare the scale economies of a turbo manufacturer with those of a small shop pumping out a few customized turbos.

[cgom3z]

Originally Posted by alexosma

to all the haters on this forum, Enough of this theoretical HP calculation B.S. Run the JB+ car against another car making 350whp and well see the results, same goes with the RB turbos, who cares about the numbers run those cars side by side and let that do the talking. Until then everyone is just speculating.

Thank you; however in order to prove the "haters" otherwise, must I take them with me when I dyno? Must I take them with me when I race? Must I record every race I do?..ehhh..to much work just to prove people wrong.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

If I were you, I wouldn't go anywhere near a rotary engine unless you are OK with it breaking apex seals (rebuild, new rotor housings, maybe a new turbo when the pieces of the apex seals get horked out of the exhaust port).

You *will* blow your rotary engine if you go for > stock power. 100% guaranteed.

Well fuck it then...I like reliabilty. I am no rebuild junky, Im a tuning junkie.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by cgom3z

Thank you; however in order to prove the "haters" otherwise, must I take them with me when I dyno? Must I take them with me when I race? Must I record every race I do?..ehhh..to much work just to prove people wrong.

I know what a jb+ can do/output and what it cannot. Simple as that, not trying to prove anyone wrong or anything of the sorts. Just to better educate you of what your parts are TRUELY capable of. I would actually LOVE to see some recorded races in your car vs. lets say...a diff. tuned car.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Obviously off topic and painfully and blindingly ignorant of you to say so. I strongly suggest you learn more about what they can do.

After doing some research, I agree. Unless it was run like hell, a lot of rx7 owners seem to be happy

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Interesting as my entire setup for my RX-7 was $4k. That's a T04Z coated, fittings, lines, manifold (coated), 4" down (coated) and mid pipes, and 44mm wg and my intake manifold modded and coated too. That's including fab labor.

And not all evo kits are as you mention. And since when are evos twins?

I'm not trying to give you guys hell for the pricing. Just saying for what it is it's high. But it's also a newish thing for these cars. Not a lot of competition.

Reading comprehesion fails you.

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Obviously off topic and painfully and blindingly ignorant of you to say so. I strongly suggest you learn more about what they can do.

Dude, I am a recovering rotorhead..was in the FD and RX8 community for many years.

My comment stands: rotary engines fail. Sorry if the truth hurts, but that doesn't make it any less true. Show me all the highly modded rotaries that make 100k+ miles without blowing up and I'll take it all back. Yeah, you can't so STFU.

Off topic, yes, but in reply to another post. If you don't want to read it, then don't read it and don't b*tch about it.

[ETS Michael]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

Reading comprehesion fails you.

I love seeing our Evo turbo kit in your sig every time you post

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Making a point using a car that has a single turbo and how it compares to a twin setup warrants your comment? Oh come on. That's a stretch.



Show me ANY 100k+ mile engine that's been highly modded. And to your point actually has a full 100000 miles of being pounded.

Sorry you or your tuner didn't know what you were doing.

I'll bet these N54s will last 100k+ miles, even with bigger turbos and meth.

Personally, I love the way turbocharged rotary engines deliver power. Unfortunately, they get horrid gas mileage per unit of power produced and will suffer premature apex seal failure when running > stock boost.

Sorry if you don't like it, mate, but the facts on this are abundant, easy to find, and indisputable. Anyone who cares to fact check will see this.

Anyway, back to the really cool upgraded turbos for our efficient, rock-solid N54s !

[Nor_Cal_335i]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Show me ANY 100k+ mile engine that's been highly modded.

My EVO. 123K miles. 100% stock original block/head. FP BLACK stock frame turbo, Every bolt on. 420whp dynojet on 91oct. 120+mph traps.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_335i

My EVO. 123K miles. 100% stock original block/head. FP BLACK stock frame turbo, Every bolt on. 420whp dynojet on 91oct. 120+mph traps.

I sold an evo with 167k last year that had 450whp and was beat to death by the owner a young kid.. its still running.. I bet it has almost 200k by now.. LOL

MIke

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Interesting as my entire setup for my RX-7 was $4k. That's a T04Z coated, fittings, lines, manifold (coated), 4" down (coated) and mid pipes, and 44mm wg and my intake manifold modded and coated too. That's including fab labor.

And not all evo kits are as you mention. And since when are evos twins?

I'm not trying to give you guys hell for the pricing. Just saying for what it is it's high. But it's also a newish thing for these cars. Not a lot of competition.

Where do you see me say evos had TWINS??

You can buy a turbo kit on EBAY for 700 what is your point?? i can build a turbo kit for an Evo COMPLETE for 3500 with a real turbo not a POS t04z.. A billet 67mm BB turbo that makes 900hp and runs 8.7's like my car does..

These turbos are specialty items made in small quantities and are STOCK APPEARING.. there will NEVER be a huge competition for these turbos because only a few select places can produce Stock Frame turbos for a reasonable price.. These are not produced by the 10's of thousands like Garrett..

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by cgom3z

WOW, I guess I must have left an impression on Penn999. I chose to dyno at AWD because I felt they were more reliable than the dyno at AllJap, since there numbers were "too high", plus AWD tuned my friend's EVO X and it’s still running strong.

The mods I still have, when I spoke to Shaun were DCI, exhaust and JB+ at 75%. I remember one of the guys said I had a boost leak and he looked into it (thanks). The numbers at the dyno is what it is, like Mike said. If it was too high for JB+ then, not all cars are created equally.

On that note; Mike, I spoke to Shaun about procede last week when I was there so I should be at the shop sometime in Jan for it.

No disrespect to alljap but the dyno there does read high.. I dynod my own personal evo there then here.. its not a dynojet.. its dynomite or some other brand.. its not the same.. Dynojet is the industry standard in HP figures.. We spent hours on the phone with DJ calibrating this dyno when we got it based on stock cars from civics, to mustangs, to Evos.. Mostly all motor cars because they make the same HP back to back to back 100 passes..

Thanks for the support!!!

Mike

[AWD Motorsports]

Rotaries themselves are not unreliable and all motor they are amazingly reliable.. What was unreliable was the 3rd Gen Rx7 itself.. the 13b in that car didnt make it 50k miles for most people.. if you dont beleive me look on ebay and auto trader and youll see 80% of them list that they had motor replaced at XXX miles.. not something you see for cars like Evos, Bmw's etc.. So back on topic PLEASE..

Mike

[BerkTechnology]

BMW designed these turbos to spool quickly for the guys who race from red light to red light and the OEM turbos do an exceedingly good job of this. The stock turbos make an amazing amount of torque down low but as you all know they drop like a rock as you near redline. It is literally a 500rpm rev limit cut because your way out of the factory turbo's efficiency range. I say literally a rev limiter because you need to short shift before redline on this motor in order to accelerate the quickest. Winding the motor out to redline isn't the fastest way to point A to B.

The power curve is extremely wide and give you such a great power band to work with. BMW was kind enough to give us such a tunable motor that many of us are making close to 400hp without touching a single thing on the motor. These turbos not only give you a 50hp peak but give you your redline back and much more power under the curve. To be able to get the last 50hp out of the car for $2400 is an absolute steal.

Power under the curve = faster car.

Always remember that the goal is always a faster car, not a high dyno number.

Once we finish the new bodywork on our car these turbos are at the top of my list for power upgrades.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

BMW designed these turbos to spool quickly for the guys who race from red light to red light and the OEM turbos do an exceedingly good job of this. The stock turbos make an amazing amount of torque down low but as you all know they drop like a rock as you near redline. It is literally a 500rpm rev limit cut because your way out of the factory turbo's efficiency range. I say literally a rev limiter because you need to short shift before redline on this motor in order to accelerate the quickest. Winding the motor out to redline isn't the fastest way to point A to B.

The power curve is extremely wide and give you such a great power band to work with. BMW was kind enough to give us such a tunable motor that many of us are making close to 400hp without touching a single thing on the motor. These turbos not only give you a 50hp peak but give you your redline back and much more power under the curve. To be able to get the last 50hp out of the car for $2400 is an absolute steal.

Power under the curve = faster car.

Always remember that the goal is always a faster car, not a high dyno number.

Once we finish the new bodywork on our car these turbos are at the top of my list for power upgrades.

Thank you Berk for chiming in.. Every point you made was on target.. You know these cars much better than we do so we appreciate your insight and support.. We will be glad to help you guys out with anything you need.. I love to deal with companies that do real world testing!!! Thanks!!

Mike

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

Thank you Berk for chiming in.. Every point you made was on target.. You know these cars much better than we do so we appreciate your insight and support.. We will be glad to help you guys out with anything you need.. I love to deal with companies that do real world testing!!! Thanks!!

Mike

Hey Mike, I know this is future talk here, but I was wondering if you were already aware that the exhaust manifold and twin scroll turbo are welding together as one piece.

[AWD Motorsports]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

Hey Mike, I know this is future talk here, but I was wondering if you were already aware that the exhaust manifold and twin scroll turbo are welding together as one piece.

The must separate at the Cartridge with a clamp i would think.. If your talking about the N55.. I havent had an n55 turbo in my hand but the back housing must separate..

Mike

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports

The must separate at the Cartridge with a clamp i would think.. If your talking about the N55.. I havent had an n55 turbo in my hand but the back housing must separate..

Mike

Yeah I was talking about the n55.
This thread should give you an idea on whats in store...
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=n55