[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

What ?!?!
Well mate , your post sounds like a Fkin crime scene (!)

If MAX benefited from the Brazilian heavy rain , can you tell me why the other drivers didn't benefit from the rain ?

But let me help you ...
MAX showed it over and over again that he is unbeatable in the rain .
It wasn't the car , the RB20 was a worthless crappy car with a big fundamental design flaw and with some luck it was the 3rd fastest car at the 2024 grid.
Big b@lls and incredible driver skills are required to do it .
And MAX will do it again . Just wait for it (!)

Are you arguing that the timing of the red flag wasn't a key enabler of him winning in this race from that position? Where he gained a free pit stop relative to the folks ahead of him?

Also, this year's Rb car was at least the second fastest. Rb only finished 3rd in the constructors for holding onto one of the worst drivers on the grid. Somewhat by design (keeping a competitive driver out of the second seat). Swap Perez with any other driver in the top 6 constructors and rb finishes first in the wcc. After last year, any driver would've wanted to get that seat if rb weren't concerned about competitive dynamic within the team.

It was a good drive that race, but to claim no one else could do something similar with a red flag and those conditions is a reach.

[M5Rick]

All the shops are open in Oxford Street today for the Black Friday deals so we're off again, and we may do a theatre also while there !!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

Are you arguing that the timing of the red flag wasn't a key enabler of him winning in this race from that position? Where he gained a free pit stop relative to the folks ahead of him?

Also, this year's Rb car was at least the second fastest. Rb only finished 3rd in the constructors for holding onto one of the worst drivers on the grid. Somewhat by design (keeping a competitive driver out of the second seat). Swap Perez with any other driver in the top 6 constructors and rb finishes first in the wcc. After last year, any driver would've wanted to get that seat if rb weren't concerned about competitive dynamic within the team.

It was a good drive that race, but to claim no one else could do something similar with a red flag and those conditions is a reach.

MAX was P17 at the startgrid , because he was screwed in his last fast lap by the FIA in the qualifying.
In the race he worked his way through the pack in the early stages and already before the red flag , because he was 1/1.5 sec. faster than the rest .
MAX ran 17 fastest laps in the Brazilian heavy rain (!)
MAX's Brazilian race win was/is a masterclass in the heavy rain and won his 4th World Title in a row ..
MAX came from P17 and won the race with a 19.477 sec. gap to Ocon .
No one can beat that (!)

[GuidoK]

Max lead at the end on those who did make an extra pitstop not under red flag was also easily enough to make an extra pit stop.
So on pure pace he would've won anyway, red flags or not.

So Max and RB beat the competition both on pure pace and on strategy in Sao Paulo.
And that red flag argument can just as well be used on qualifying. Max would've gotten pole (so 5th with gridpenalty) if his qualifying wasn't messed up there by the red flag.
So there's no logical scenario thinkeable that Max wouldn't have dominated the Sao Paulo GP.

[E86Z4MC]

Certainly qualified out of position. Nonetheless, the impact of the red flag is just as easily seen given that both alpines were on the podium lol. Being able to pass a bunch of back markers on track and then leap frogging his main competition with a red flag isn't a master class of driving when you get a bunch of clean air thereafter. . Cars more similar in pace were impacted by difficulty passing where only one line has grip for braking /traction zones. The strategy here is what enabled the end result.

[GuidoK]

Max passed Piastri in arguably the fastest car on the grid like nothing happened.
He just flew by choosing a different racing line.
Like explained in that video.
That makes Max currently by far the best driver in the rain. He's in another league.
And even the most biased british reporters now seem to get that.

He showed as early as in 2016 what he could do in the rain, and he showed it now that he's even better at it, even with the pressure of the WDC hanging in the balance.

The difference between the alpines and Max is that once he passed OCO, he drove away from him and the rest of the field steadily at around 1s per lap every lap.
No other driver on the grid came even close to his pace. The telemetry stands for itself. Just look at that if you don't believe me. It is thàt simple....

Max had easliy enough pace to get a free pitstop compared to those who made a pitstop outside of the red flag. The telemetry doesn't lie.

[E86Z4MC]

I guess gasly is just as masterful then, given where he started on the grid to get his podium in an alpine lol. All driver skill, and he'd have done it on the track without the red flag.

I think the British media trying to cover for how inept Norris is/was, given he doesn't take advantage of opportunities (look at Russia 21)

[GuidoK]

Gasly started 4 places in front of Max, and he finished 22,5sec behind Max.
That is indeed pretty much how I rate Gasly.

[E86Z4MC]

You rate gasly being able to take an alpine to a podium on merit and without a red flag or wet conditions? Mystery why he's even in an alpine to begin with then. Small wonder those kind of drives weren't seen from the alpines in previous wet races. But yes, the red flag and conditions were entirely irrelevant to the end result.

Very logical

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

You rate gasly being able to take an alpine to a podium on merit and without a red flag or wet conditions?

That is not what I'm saying. You're now trying to put words in my mouth.... I'm saying that the gap Gasly had is representative for the difference in driving quality between Gasly and Max.

Just look at the telemetry data or laptimes on tv...
When the VSC started (lap28) that caused RUS and NOR to come in, Max was already 5th (he already passed GAS), and his gap to RUS (race leader) was just 14.8 seconds!
On lap 31 when the 2nd safetycar came, when Max had overtaken NOR and RUS while they were in the pits, his lead on NOR (who had overtaken RUS a few turns after exiting the pits), Max lead on NOR was 4.3sec. So that pitstop took 19.1 sec which is pretty normal for a pitstop under VSC
Easily less than the lead Max had at the end of the race on both NOR and RUS.
So no matter what, Max would've beaten NOR and RUS with ease in that race if there was no red flag.

Sure, if there hadn't been a red flag his gap at the end would've been less, but he would've still won.
And if not for the red flag during qualifying, he would've gotten pole too (before grid penalty of course)

There's a reason why every reporter, even british ones, called that race a Max Masterclass....
Too bad you can't see it. Or don't want to. Haters gonna hate....

The biggest mistake both NOR and RUS made, is that they were racing eachother. That's why they both came in at the same time during that VSC.
They should've been racing Max....Not that that would've mattered though

[wizardofOz]

Hm...Is that an acquaintance of amuro ray by any chance

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX was P17 at the startgrid , because he was screwed in his last fast lap by the FIA in the qualifying.
In the race he worked his way through the pack in the early stages and already before the red flag , because he was 1/1.5 sec. faster than the rest .
MAX ran 17 fastest laps in the Brazilian heavy rain (!)
MAX's Brazilian race win was/is a masterclass in the heavy rain and won his 4th World Title in a row ..
MAX came from P17 and won the race with a 19.477 sec. gap to Ocon .
No one can beat that (!)

Had to look at that twice, OCO 2nd ?? I didn't notice

[M5Rick]

Brazil ? MAX had the fastest car...'by a country mile' as the late Murray Walker would have said and James Hunt ? ''Basically kicked them all in the nuts where it hurts'.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Hm...Is that an acquaintance of amuro ray by any chance

Yeah , LEW fans can be really funny... We can read their pain .

#ButtHurt (!)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Brazil ? MAX had the fastest car...'by a country mile' as the late Murray Walker would have said and James Hunt ? ''Basically kicked them all in the nuts where it hurts'.

MAX (16-YO)! And his first time in an F1 car to pass F1 driving test => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qC5KZiDeBcE

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah , LEW fans can be really funny... We can read their pain .

#ButtHurt (!)

#ButtHurtANGRY and seem to disappear A LOT

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

#ButtHurtANGRY and seem to disappear A LOT

That's why my friend ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's why my friend ...

That's Four fingers and some LEW fans can't seem to take that in, seems there's some trouble in the counting I think..start getting dizzy at three,,, heheh

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX (16-YO)! And his first time in an F1 car to pass F1 driving test => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qC5KZiDeBcE

New L plates were seen discarded quick outside the Verstappen residence at the time after the driving test

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's Four fingers and some LEW fans can't seem to take that in, seems there's some trouble in the counting I think..start getting dizzy at three,,, heheh

M4X

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

New L plates were seen discarded quick outside the Verstappen residence at the time after the driving test

MAX drift blew the Toro Rosso pitwall guys off their seats

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Brazil ? MAX had the fastest car...'by a country mile' as the late Murray Walker would have said and James Hunt ? ''Basically kicked them all in the nuts where it hurts'.

Forever friends (!)