[pits200]

Originally Posted by twinturbopg

do you go into limp mode or SES light come on when shift from 3rd to 4th at 7000rpm?

basically put the car in DS and let it shift from 3rd to 4th on WOT.

I've run into some problems today with the 5-10 maps, I have got an underboost code twice today. (I think 12543 or something, no limp, just check engine light) I have no performance effects and once I turn off the car and restart it is back to normal.

I never had this issue before??

[twinturbopg]

Originally Posted by pits200

I've run into some problems today with the 5-10 maps, I have got an underboost code twice today. (I think 12543 or something, no limp, just check engine light) I have no performance effects and once I turn off the car and restart it is back to normal.

I never had this issue before??

okay...I tried it cuz somebody else told me about it...and yep it happened. and yes it goes away after I turn off the car and then turn it back on...scary feeling though once u push the gas after the SES light comes on and before you restart the car....i hope thats addressed in 5-10.

[Brey335i]

Remember to change plugs when misfiring... that often fixes it

[135i]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Remember to change plugs when misfiring... that often fixes it

+1

[NoQuarter]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The DIC maps will be more responsive. Especially during sudden changes of load (ie, post shift) where it will recover more quickly and pull harder at the onset of boost. Especially in higher gears. Most people will prefer this. There really are no downsides to it. It's a better solution the problem of timing stability. Period.

Shiv,

Your description is spot on to what I experienced. Which thread can you point me to that has some solid explaination of what DIC is doing? I know it is all over the place, but do you have a preferred source to educate me on what you are doing with DIC feature and why?

[rgpwr]

<3 DIC

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by NoQuarter

Shiv,

Your description is spot on to what I experienced. Which thread can you point me to that has some solid explaination of what DIC is doing? I know it is all over the place, but do you have a preferred source to educate me on what you are doing with DIC feature and why?

Yep.. it's fairly easy to tell the difference between a DIC datalog and a non DIC datalog. So anyone who thinks the two feel the same might want to tune up their butt dyno

What DIC does takes a few steps forward from the usual RPM vs. Load ignition advance mapping model by adding more input variables (rate of acceleration, gear, knock activity, etc,.) Allows for the engine to operate closer to the ideal ignition advance value in dynamic conditions, not just steady state. It's a pretty big departure from normal ignition advance mapping. It's suprisingly close to autotuning. But more short-term in nature. Which is why we had to revise the ENTIRE autotuning logic and turn it into something smarter. Which we are testing in-house right now.

shiv

[vase330]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yep.. it's fairly easy to tell the difference between a DIC datalog and a non DIC datalog. So anyone who thinks the two feel the same might want to tune up their butt dyno

What DIC does takes a few steps forward from the usual RPM vs. Load ignition advance mapping model by adding more input variables (rate of acceleration, gear, knock activity, etc,.) Allows for the engine to operate closer to the ideal ignition advance value in dynamic conditions, not just steady state. It's a pretty big departure from normal ignition advance mapping. It's suprisingly close to autotuning. But more short-term in nature. Which is why we had to revise the ENTIRE autotuning logic and turn it into something smarter. Which we are testing in-house right now.

shiv

You starting to sound circumspect like the federal reserve chairman, and the "experts" have to dissect your words and speculate as to the deeper meaning.

[JimPastell]

Any news on 5-10 DCT maps?

[vase330]

I am not exactly an expert, but from reading between the lines I think Shiv just said they are working on autotune now, and sure the DCT, RB, etc are all taken care of by the autotune.
The currently released maps are just to make sure everything is working fine as far as the motor is concerned.

[**335i**]

did i missed something or 5-10 has autotune

[enrita]

Originally Posted by **335i**

did i missed something or 5-10 has autotune

No... it has NO AUTOTUNING....

[**335i**]

Originally Posted by enrita

No... it has NO AUTOTUNING....

as in usersettings i saw (2) autotune on http://yfrog.com/izuserqj

[enrita]

Originally Posted by **335i**

as in usersettings i saw (2) autotune on http://yfrog.com/izuserqj

No... it has NO AUTOTUNING....

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by **335i**

as in usersettings i saw (2) autotune on http://yfrog.com/izuserqj

Autotuning is on, however it isn't like it was before. Right now, it only autotunes the aggression level, nothing else. So as Enrita stated....Autotuning (as you know it) is OFF. That is all explained in the read me file included with the firmware.

[DaFish]

I have noticed the following with the new maps:

1) First gear is not as touchy as 3-30 maps. it is easier to drive smoothly
2) conversely to #1, the turbos don't spool as quickly - they are a bit slower to engage (fractionally).
3) there is less power around 3k than 3-30, but by 4k and up - nice.

I have to check to see if DIC is enabled in the map 2 I run. I do notice I am running 14.5 PSI or so. With the FMIC, catless DPs, DCI and ultra 94 sunoco... can I run more than 14.5 PSI? Can I go to 16?

Cruise is fixed that I can see... no reoccurance of the failure. I am lovin that - I use cruise all the time.

Thanks Shiv and Vishnu team.

[jdbretz]

Originally Posted by DaFish

I have noticed the following with the new maps:

1) First gear is not as touchy as 3-30 maps. it is easier to drive smoothly
2) conversely to #1, the turbos don't spool as quickly - they are a bit slower to engage (fractionally).
3) there is less power around 3k than 3-30, but by 4k and up - nice.

I have to check to see if DIC is enabled in the map 2 I run. I do notice I am running 14.5 PSI or so. With the FMIC, catless DPs, DCI and ultra 94 sunoco... can I run more than 14.5 PSI? Can I go to 16?

Cruise is fixed that I can see... no reoccurance of the failure. I am lovin that - I use cruise all the time.

Thanks Shiv and Vishnu team.

I would stay at 14.5 for now if I were you. You aren't leaving too much on the table as you are. You could try to run 15, but I wouldn't go any higher without race gas or meth. If you do go to 15, do a log at 14.5 then one at 15 and send them to Shiv for his opinion. Logs are the only way to know for sure how your car is responding to the additional boost. Just my .02 cents.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by DaFish

I have noticed the following with the new maps:

1) First gear is not as touchy as 3-30 maps. it is easier to drive smoothly
2) conversely to #1, the turbos don't spool as quickly - they are a bit slower to engage (fractionally).
3) there is less power around 3k than 3-30, but by 4k and up - nice.

I have to check to see if DIC is enabled in the map 2 I run. I do notice I am running 14.5 PSI or so. With the FMIC, catless DPs, DCI and ultra 94 sunoco... can I run more than 14.5 PSI? Can I go to 16?

Cruise is fixed that I can see... no reoccurance of the failure. I am lovin that - I use cruise all the time.

Thanks Shiv and Vishnu team.

Thats the first thing that I noticed, the throttle was no as sensitive compared to the 12-17 maps..But the other stuff was not as apparent

[DaFish]

Originally Posted by jdbretz

Autotuning is on, however it isn't like it was before. Right now, it only autotunes the aggression level, nothing else. So as Enrita stated....Autotuning (as you know it) is OFF. That is all explained in the read me file included with the firmware.

is there a "coles notes" explanation of the settings in the user settings tab that this link shows?

I am not sure what the difference is in DIC, Auto tuning and agression levels and quite frankly all of the interaction from the settings.

I can read the description, but I don't get a full comprehension on what the interactions will be. Can someone post a pic of their settings that take into account:

start boost %
start ignition timing % (how can this be over 100% like the pic shows)
DIC
autotuning (not turned on in beta - I know) - but what they would set it too
aggression - modifying this from what to what will do what?
Traction control

.... basically all of the settings. Saying it goes from 0-100% means little to me. I would like to see something like, "if you set ignition correction to X, try setting traction to this, initial boost to this if you want the car to perform like Y... "

it would be great if some of the really experienced Procede users would post their settings and give a quick run down of why they set stuff to those settings.

Thanks in advance.

[enrita]

All of this can be easily learned by searching on the forum ...
UT55% aka Initial Boost = This is the start boost . Without Autotuning the car should boost around 15.5 psi .
If Autotuning enabled that would be your starting point

Max boost: 17 Its the max boost allowed. If you exceed it for too long procede will revert to map 0.
If Autotuning enabled thats the max it will go up.

IC: 100% this is the ignition correction , 100% is about minus 3 degrees from stock.

DIC: is always enabled on the DIC maps.

Traction control: Not enabled now . Here you have to try which setting you like best. Shiv recommends 40% - The higher the less proceed intervenes.

Boost response: Basically how fast you want the throttle Boost to respond. I have mine at 80% . 100% is instant boost . 50% is more like stock.

Aggression: Leave it alone . is the logic for autotuning in how aggressive you want it to be .

Autotuning: well if you read in the software you will see there are only 2 values. On and off


UT55% IC100

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by DaFish

I have noticed the following with the new maps:

1) First gear is not as touchy as 3-30 maps. it is easier to drive smoothly
2) conversely to #1, the turbos don't spool as quickly - they are a bit slower to engage (fractionally).
3) there is less power around 3k than 3-30, but by 4k and up - nice.

Thanks Shiv and Vishnu team.

I noticed the slower boost response on my datalogs. In day to day driving it makes the car smoother.......but I have to admit missing the instant boost response of the older maps like 1-22nd.

On the older maps boost hit target during WOT in about 1/4 of a second. On the 5-10 maps, it takes almost a full second since it climbs towards the target more gradually when you go WOT.

Shiv mentioned in the readme file that he set boost gain down to 45% on these maps intentionally. The default used to be 50%.

[loweredram]

Originally Posted by Ilma

I noticed the slower boost response on my datalogs. In day to day driving it makes the car smoother.......but I have to admit missing the instant boost response of the older maps like 1-22nd.

On the older maps boost hit target during WOT in about 1/4 of a second. On the 5-10 maps, it takes almost a full second since it climbs towards the target more gradually when you go WOT.

Shiv mentioned in the readme file that he set boost gain down to 45% on these maps intentionally. The default used to be 50%.

I spoke to shiv on the phone about this as well. I set boost gain to 50% and I got the boost response back like the 3-30 maps. I'm with you I missed the quicker low end boost kick. I was a little confused because I assumed the boost response controlled that not the boost gain.