[deemarr 335i]

He's right I dynoed 300whp 296tq on a mustang dyno with ppk

[deemarr 335i]

I belive ppk was 320hp from the factory...2011 e90 6mt

[1cleann55]

Originally Posted by deemarr 335i

He's right I dynoed 300whp 296tq on a mustang dyno with ppk

300whp with only ppk on a Mustang dyno????

[deemarr 335i]

Originally Posted by 1cleann55

300whp with only ppk on a Mustang dyno????

Yup at EFI logics in CT...I'll email you the dyno sheet

[bk335ilci]

Need a test car here in the USA. The best way would be to use the same dyno with before and after dyno numbers.

[evo335xi]

Efi logics reads low from the sheets I've seen so those numbers are good, unless they were calibrated to read similar to dynojet figures.

[vipercavy]

I'm not to sure of the confusion going on here. What I understand when I read the thread is that he dynoed stock with a catback I believe. He then along the way dynoed jb4 map 3 with meth, and finally with the pure turbo map3 meth. All on the same dyno granted they are different days but we won't hold that against him. I see a difference of over 113hp over stock and he isn't even FBO. The added bonus is that the power holds longer and even climbs before falling off around respectively 6k. Why is everyone focused so much on total whp, when we all know they vary dyno to dyno. He has reported the change from stock hp to mods discussed final hp with respectable gains.

just my .02 take it or leave it.

[deemarr 335i]

Originally Posted by evo335xi

Efi logics reads low from the sheets I've seen so those numbers are good, unless they were calibrated to read similar to dynojet figures.

No clue bro just reading what they gave me.....dyno operator was shocked tho lol.

[loesch]

What I'd really like to see what these Pure Turbo cars are running in the 1/4 mi. Any of you planning on getting on the track? Trap speed would tell us a lot. I haven't been able to trap higher than 112mph with my 6MT with stock turbo.

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by loesch

What I'd really like to see what these Pure Turbo cars are running in the 1/4 mi. Any of you planning on getting on the track? Trap speed would tell us a lot. I haven't been able to trap higher than 112mph with my 6MT with stock turbo.

No quarter mile tracks in belgium. Still need to get someone with a performance box to log that. Its on my todo list

[biz77]

Originally Posted by vipercavy

I'm not to sure of the confusion going on here. What I understand when I read the thread is that he dynoed stock with a catback I believe. He then along the way dynoed jb4 map 3 with meth, and finally with the pure turbo map3 meth. All on the same dyno granted they are different days but we won't hold that against him. I see a difference of over 113hp over stock and he isn't even FBO. The added bonus is that the power holds longer and even climbs before falling off around respectively 6k. Why is everyone focused so much on total whp, when we all know they vary dyno to dyno. He has reported the change from stock hp to mods discussed final hp with respectable gains.

just my .02 take it or leave it.

I believe most of the confusion came from the fact that Darkhold was quoting BHP and not WHP. In the states we are used to seeing WHP numbers. I think the other confusion comes from the fact that most of us were not seeing the usual bump in power from stock to stage 2 with meth numbers posted. People need to remember this car is not the typical 300BHP rated car to begin with, so the delta from box stock to any other level of performance will likely be lower than we are used to seeing.

Now that Darkhold has posted the WHP charts, good comparisons can be made. While this is not a 450whp turbo as stated earlier in the thread, it is a nice improvement over stock. From what I can see on the graphs it is an average power increase of about 36whp from 3,000 RPM to 6,000 RPM over a tuned stock turbo and the ability to run out the revs at least another 500 RPM to 6,500. If we look at the average power increase from 4,500 RPM to 6,000 RPM, the numbers are even more impressive, at an average gain of over 50 WHP.

Let's compare to the "other option" that's available.

WHP gain over tuned stock turbo with similar supporting mods:

RPM Pure Stage 1 Competitor B
3,000 +10WHP -25WHP
3,500 +15WHP -10WHP
4,000 +20WHP +25WHP
4,500 +35WHP +45WHP
5,000 +45WHP +80WHP
5,500 +55WHP +100WHP
6,000 +70WHP +120WHP
Average +36WHP +48WHP

Based on price:

Pure Stage 1
$1,000/36WHP gain = $28.00/Average WHP gain

Competitor B
$4,000/48WHP gain = $83.00/Average WHP gain

Not sure how "Competitor B" calculates that a stage 1 upgrade is a poor value. Seems "Competitor B's" math skills are on par with his forum etiquette and people skills.

[marCOCOpuffs]

I'm not a dyno/tuning expert, but it seems that most people are concerned with PEAK WHP not average WHP. Also make sure you take into account he has a cheaper stage 2 option for roughly 2K that SHOULD produce similar numbers compared to his 4k option. So for 2k we can expect to see almost 100whp PEAK increase over a FBO n55 on e85

[vipercavy]

LOL, great post biz77!!

That being said "Competitor B" will never get a red blooded cent from, this guy, no matter how good of a deal that is ever offered. Thanks to such a "exceptional" attitude, I doubt he will ever realize what it does to his sales.

I thought it should also be noted that I have been in contact with Darkhold, and that I plan to meet up with him in the very near future. I current drive a FBO N55 that I consistently run 40-45% E85. I will be able to also attest to the difference there is between stock turbo and pure's stage 1.

I believe it will be a close comparison since he was running no FMIC and meth and I have a kitty less DP and FMIC and run 40-45% E85 on 93oct.

I will be sure to also provide feedback when I have something to report.

[biz77]

Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

I'm not a dyno/tuning expert, but it seems that most people are concerned with PEAK WHP not average WHP. Also make sure you take into account he has a cheaper stage 2 option for roughly 2K that SHOULD produce similar numbers compared to his 4k option. So for 2k we can expect to see almost 100whp PEAK increase over a FBO n55 on e85

First of all, I'm basing the comparison on what's available to purchase today. Second, it's going to be $2,500.00 in its most basic form, not $2,000.00. So if we assume it makes the same power as the BB CHRA version and we focus on peak WHP gains, we get...

$1,000.00/+70WHP gain = $14.30/WHP
$2,500.00/+120WHP gain = $20.83/WHP

I still don't see the lack of value in a stage 1 upgrade no matter how you slice it.

[hetzle]

You really have to keep in mind that nobody (intelligent) starts a race at 3k RPM. When drag racing you'll be in the 3.5k-6.5k rev range the whole time and the other turbo offers +140whp over the FBO stock one@6.5k.

So then, the numbers look like this:

3,500 +15WHP -10WHP
4,000 +20WHP +25WHP
4,500 +35WHP +45WHP
5,000 +45WHP +80WHP
5,500 +55WHP +100WHP
6,000 +70WHP +120WHP
6,500 +85WHP +140WHP

Average +46WHP +71WHP

$21.54/AvgWHP vs. $56/AvgWHP.

Also, I'm fairly certain that shifting at 6.5k will drop you back to 4k RPM for gears 2-3-4, which makes the average numbers:

+52/+85
$19.35/$47.06

Pure is definitely great value for your money, but it's not as disparate a comparison as previously posted.

[PeterPure]

With the 8 speed in F series shifting at 6.5k will bring you back to around 5k rpm in gears 3/4/5/6.

[marCOCOpuffs]

Originally Posted by biz77

First of all, I'm basing the comparison on what's available to purchase today. Second, it's going to be $2,500.00 in its most basic form, not $2,000.00. So if we assume it makes the same power as the BB CHRA version and we focus on peak WHP gains, we get...

$1,000.00/+70WHP gain = $14.30/WHP
$2,500.00/+120WHP gain = $20.83/WHP

I still don't see the lack of value in a stage 1 upgrade no matter how you slice it.

No lack of value, just lack of testing. I haven't see a pure turbo put more than 400whp on a dyno so I don't see where the 70WHP comes from? I'm still in the world of peak horsepower so correct me if that doesn't matter.

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

No lack of value, just lack of testing. I haven't see a pure turbo put more than 400whp on a dyno so I don't see where the 70WHP comes from? I'm still in the world of peak horsepower so correct me if that doesn't matter.

My F series with just jb4 and no backend flash put down just shy of 400 whp on a low reading dyno and not doing the boost it does on the street. So i am sure if i find a dynoshop where i do make the boost it will go over 400 whp. Next mod will be a fmic though

[biz77]

Originally Posted by hetzle

Pure is definitely great value for your money, but it's not as disparate a comparison as previously posted.

As I said, any way you slice it, I don't see how it's a poor value.

[loesch]

Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

No lack of value, just lack of testing. I haven't see a pure turbo put more than 400whp on a dyno so I don't see where the 70WHP comes from? I'm still in the world of peak horsepower so correct me if that doesn't matter.

Peak HP does matter but what matters more is the horsepower and torque curve overall across all RPMs. That's why I always like to trust the results of a standing race such as a quarter mile over dyno's. Dyno's are best for fine tuning and bragging rights. "My car makes 400hp!". "Yeah but it's peaky and you have 200ft/lbs of torque and you run high 13's in the quarter". This is getting way off topic. haha. Sorry.

[biz77]

Originally Posted by marCOCOpuffs

No lack of value, just lack of testing. I haven't see a pure turbo put more than 400whp on a dyno so I don't see where the 70WHP comes from? I'm still in the world of peak horsepower so correct me if that doesn't matter.

Look at the WHP comparison graph on post #303. Look at 6,000 RPMs. Stock tuned turbo is making 320WHP. Pure Stage 1 is making 390WHP. 390-320 = 70.

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by biz77

As I said, any way you slice it, I don't see how it's a poor value.

Correct hence i could not resist buying. And Jesse has always been nice and informative.

Apparently not all vendors are able to be like that.