I-Drive Navigation Retrofit!

Booster4075 · 07-30-2009, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by m3sparky

thanks booster for making my dash changeout alot easier with you diy. i owe you!!!!

No problem.... the dash changeout was a lot easier than I expected.. (compared to the nightmare of removing one on a Grand Cherokee!!) Glad it helped 'ya..

gqmd · 08-13-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank2808

Amazing project!! I'd like to add that if the people are finding the software portion of the retrofit daunting you might want to try swapping the hardware and using a carputer to operate the screen. Just a thought.

But I was under the impression that the OEM Navi screen cannot handle VGA resolution, only RGB.

Omar717s · 09-06-2009, 12:40 PM

sorry guys,, am still nagging about installing an IDrive.. my 2010 E90 has everything but an idrive it also got the 2 buttons in the multifunction steertin wheel of the voice commands nd the mobile thingy anyways,, i asked here in bmw dealers they said idrive coasts here around 10,000$ and u have 2 change the whole dashboard nd the console so am askin.. how much is it gonna coast getting a 2010 dash nd idrive,, cuz i also thought abut trading it in. nd it coasts even double the price

davidarg · 09-06-2009, 08:46 PM

guys im new here. I just bought a new 325 i, im from Argentina. Here it comes with idrive, it is called business nav.

It doesnt have nav (gps) and the screen is 6", but it seems the controller is the new one. Anyone can tell me.

Thanks

Here are some pics.

Technic · 09-06-2009, 09:35 PM

Can you show some pictures of screens shots, please?

gIzzE · 09-07-2009, 08:19 AM

You should be able to swap out the screen and CCC for the one with full maps and it should work, as long as it came from a car with the same spec.
ie, if your car has no audio upgrade make sure the nav comes from one with no audio, if your car has bluetooth, make sure the nav came from a car with bluetooth.

If not you need to code your car to get it all working 100%.

10-16-2009, 08:11 PM

You are brillant! BMW needs to hire you.

Anyhow, based on your vast knowledge of the iDrive system, do you think it is possible to splice into the idrive harness for an video input? I want to install a rear camera and was wondering what is the cheapest method of doing this beside from buying a Nav-TV kit.

Booster4075 · 10-17-2009, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ///Flash

You are brillant! BMW needs to hire you.

Anyhow, based on your vast knowledge of the iDrive system, do you think it is possible to splice into the idrive harness for an video input? I want to install a rear camera and was wondering what is the cheapest method of doing this beside from buying a Nav-TV kit.

I don't know about vast, but we are learning as we go... It is possible, and there several different methods - search some of the other theads on this forum. Some of the boxes that splice into the LVDS cable are the cheapest and easiest to install and get going quickly. There are cheapo chinese-type boxes that are similar to Nav2TV and can be had for much less (check ebay.) I'm currently playing with the Dension AVR (although having problems with my box / possible programming issues) - but I like the "seamlessness" of it (assuming I get it working.) This is definitely a topic for another thread tho...

kyd335xi · 10-23-2009, 06:22 PM

i have a single disc cd player with 80gb hard drive and navigation from a 2009 335xi if anyone is intrested hit me up with some offers

screen has been sold to technic

mickever · 12-04-2009, 09:48 AM

kvd335xi, pls see my pm re possible purchase. Many thanks!

mickever · 12-05-2009, 01:35 PM

On the lookout for an orphan 2009+ hard-drive nav system to retrofit into 2007 (with ancient DVD nav). Would need harness too, as configuration/supplier different. Please contact me with any leads. Many thanks!

EZ_TUR90 · 12-09-2009, 04:17 AM

I have a Stupid Question:

My friend as a e93 with navi, would it be as "easy" as switching the entire dash and all components?

335i_LeMans_pkgmax · 12-09-2009, 08:07 AM

Booster and all who went through this you guys are amazing!!! I will be looking into this once my warranty expires

Booster4075 · 12-10-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZ_TUR90

I have a Stupid Question:

My friend as a e93 with navi, would it be as "easy" as switching the entire dash and all components?

Download and read the PDF of the procedure (post # 307 on the bottom of page 14 of this thread) . . . then decide for yourself..

Booster4075 · 12-13-2009, 07:06 PM

For those considering this retrofit, there is a steal-of-a-deal on this auction!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-BM...fAudioQ5fVideo
(don't ask me how they are shipping it for that cheap, either...)

tay · 01-06-2010, 07:20 AM

Cant get the controller to operate all wired ok, as per your guide. All my units came from same donar car. Screen lights up all ok, have audio etc. Programing maybe? Any help would be great as have two cars i am fitting nav too.

Booster4075 · 01-07-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tay

Cant get the controller to operate all wired ok, as per your guide. All my units came from same donar car. Screen lights up all ok, have audio etc. Programing maybe? Any help would be great as have two cars i am fitting nav too.

I had that exact problem at one point - turned out one of the fuses was not seated all the way into the socket in the JBE - what are the odds(!) ...and you have no idea how many fuses affect the controller--weird. I'd check all fuses for continuity with a test light and make sure they are all seated BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. (remember - always start with the basics)

tay · 01-07-2010, 03:26 AM

THANKS for that, i will check all fuses.

Booster4075 · 01-09-2010, 01:36 AM

If anyone is considering this, there looks to be a deal on this auction:
(I didn't verify part numbers, but its the whole deal...)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-0...fAudioQ5fVideo

Booster4075 · 01-09-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booster4075

If anyone is considering this, there looks to be a deal on this auction:
(I didn't verify part numbers, but its the whole deal...)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-0...fAudioQ5fVideo

Hmm...since I last looked at this 15 hours ago, the price went up $400..

lesliew · 01-11-2010, 01:21 AM

Hi everyone this is my first post on this forum. Inspired by booster and everyone else that has tried, I'm planning on doing the idrive retrofit.

I recently purchased a used 07, E92 which is still under warranty. I have also purchased a LCI idrive NAV from Germany and the CCC was coded on the bench with my VIN before they sent it over. At the same time I requested it to be coded for a USB/Ipod Interface, as I figure I would try to add this next. I havn't tried to install any of the components yet as I still need to purchase a new dash.

A couple of questions to start off with.

Should I wait for the warranty to expire before doing this upgrade, or should I do the upgrade and claim ignorance (i.e just say thats how I brought the car) when I take it in for its final warranty service. Does it matter ?

Can I request that the vehicles software is brought upto date as part of a warranty service ?.

My car is currently not equipped with the Logic 7 amp, but I read that all idrive cars have logic 7. Is this going to be a big issue ?.

Finally "My car doesn't understand Me", I know this sounds strange let me explain.

I have the voice control option and I'm not sure whether it is because I have an English accent and I'm driving a US spec car that I can't currently get it to understand any of my voice commands. Will the BMW service center be able to enable British voice control. If not then I don't even need to bother trying to obtain the FSC codes for voice control when the idrive is installed. On the other hand this could be a really good reason to get them to change my VO.

Leslie

Booster4075 · 01-11-2010, 03:00 AM

Hmmm....well you have some things to be aware of..

1) You may have real problems getting a CCC from Germany to work correctly. Their units might be different, but their part numbers certainly are. I could not get a ECE CCC to work right - only to about 90% functionality, plus Progman refused to program it based on part number. Coding it is not an issue, just programming it / the car around it.

2) Depending on the build date of your 2007 car, you may have problems getting the buttons on the front of the CCC to work, since its from the newer style CCC from the LCI car. I would imagine its possible, but no one has spoken up yet stating that it does work (I was told that it does not, but don't know for sure.)

3) This should not really affect your warranty as it relates to the items you don't touch. Since you've got to get into the wiring harness, don't expect BMW to be kind if you have ANY type of electrical problems. And if your radio, telematics, dash, climate control, DSC, or related systems start malfunctioning, don't count on a warranty to be there for you. Ignorance won't help - that's not how they built it so they will charge you to fix it or bring it back to the way they built it. I wouldn't be surprised if they read these forums just to check our "ignorance." This is your car. I did it while it was still under warranty, fully aware of the ramifications. Luckily, I had none. And when it was done (and done right), other warrantable items got taken car of. I never asked them to address anything unethical.

4) Software will not be brought "up to date" as part of warranty unless you have specific identified issues that can be fixed with an update. Search the forums here and they will tell you these issues and you can see if you have one. Keep in mind that if you use that German CCC, and if you have the same problems I did, they may not be able to bring your software up to date.

5) Not having Logic 7 is not an issue - All i-drive cars in the US have Logic 7 but that is not necessarily the case elsewhere..

Make sure that you actually have voice control - some cars can talk and recognize basic voice commands, but that is not the more sophisticated voice control system that does more. If you don't have voice control, then I guess getting the FSC is a moot point. I don't have knowledge on the different dialects available for voice control.

I'm not sure I understand your logic in changing VO - it will need to be changed to reflect the CCC/nav system add, but if you have voice control, it will already have it in your VO. If you don't have voice control and want it, you will need to make sure your car is wired for it, the VO changed, and will need the FSC. Don't count on your dealer understanding or cooperating with any of this - I spoke with 3 dealers that all told me to buy another car and that it couldn't/shouldn't be done. I spoke with several shop foreman & relatively sharp technicians who didn't know about changing VO - they knew what it was but didn't know the nuts & bolts of getting in there and making changes. (and when they did, they certainly weren't going to get involved changing things while working as an agent of the dealership they were working for.)

I'm not trying to dissuade you, but this is a big project (and a big headache if you are not prepared with the knowledge.)

BTW - changing the dash is the easiest part.

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Omar717s New Member 5 Rep 17 Posts Drives: 2010 e90 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alexandria iTrader: (0)	sorry guys,, am still nagging about installing an IDrive.. my 2010 E90 has everything but an idrive it also got the 2 buttons in the multifunction steertin wheel of the voice commands nd the mobile thingy anyways,, i asked here in bmw dealers they said idrive coasts here around 10,000$ and u have 2 change the whole dashboard nd the console so am askin.. how much is it gonna coast getting a 2010 dash nd idrive,, cuz i also thought abut trading it in. nd it coasts even double the price Last edited by Omar717s; 09-06-2009 at 01:34 PM..
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davidarg New Member 0 Rep 25 Posts Drives: 2009 325i EXE Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Argentina iTrader: (0)	guys im new here. I just bought a new 325 i, im from Argentina. Here it comes with idrive, it is called business nav. It doesnt have nav (gps) and the screen is 6", but it seems the controller is the new one. Anyone can tell me. Thanks Here are some pics. Attached Images
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09-06-2009, 09:35 PM	#335
Technic Lieutenant General 2475 Rep 13,135 Posts Drives: 2025 Countryman S, 2024 i4 M50 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida iTrader: (18)	Can you show some pictures of screens shots, please?
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gIzzE Major General 361 Rep 5,985 Posts Drives: F11 + 997 Carrera S Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Norfolk, UK. iTrader: (2)	You should be able to swap out the screen and CCC for the one with full maps and it should work, as long as it came from a car with the same spec. ie, if your car has no audio upgrade make sure the nav comes from one with no audio, if your car has bluetooth, make sure the nav came from a car with bluetooth. If not you need to code your car to get it all working 100%.
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///M Protocol Guest 0 Rep n/a Posts Drives:	You are brillant! BMW needs to hire you. Anyhow, based on your vast knowledge of the iDrive system, do you think it is possible to splice into the idrive harness for an video input? I want to install a rear camera and was wondering what is the cheapest method of doing this beside from buying a Nav-TV kit.
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10-23-2009, 06:22 PM	#339
kyd335xi Private 6 Rep 94 Posts Drives: alpine white 335xi coupe Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: quincy iTrader: (0)	i have a single disc cd player with 80gb hard drive and navigation from a 2009 335xi if anyone is intrested hit me up with some offers screen has been sold to technic
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mickever Registered 0 Rep 3 Posts Drives: 2007 335i conv Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Annapolis, MD iTrader: (0)	On the lookout for an orphan 2009+ hard-drive nav system to retrofit into 2007 (with ancient DVD nav). Would need harness too, as configuration/supplier different. Please contact me with any leads. Many thanks!
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12-09-2009, 04:17 AM	#342
EZ_TUR90 Ez tur90 197 Rep 3,193 Posts Drives: M6 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (11)	I have a Stupid Question: My friend as a e93 with navi, would it be as "easy" as switching the entire dash and all components? __________________
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335i_LeMans_pkgmax Brigadier General 33 Rep 3,030 Posts Drives: 09 - 335i Xdrive Sdn Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Booster and all who went through this you guys are amazing!!! I will be looking into this once my warranty expires
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12-13-2009, 07:06 PM	#345
Booster4075 First Lieutenant 43 Rep 391 Posts Drives: E90, 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California iTrader: (1)	For those considering this retrofit, there is a steal-of-a-deal on this auction!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-BM...fAudioQ5fVideo (don't ask me how they are shipping it for that cheap, either...)
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01-06-2010, 07:20 AM	#346
tay New Member 1 Rep 5 Posts Drives: many Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: uk iTrader: (0)	Cant get the controller to operate all wired ok, as per your guide. All my units came from same donar car. Screen lights up all ok, have audio etc. Programing maybe? Any help would be great as have two cars i am fitting nav too.
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01-07-2010, 03:26 AM	#348
tay New Member 1 Rep 5 Posts Drives: many Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: uk iTrader: (0)	THANKS for that, i will check all fuses.
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01-09-2010, 01:36 AM	#349
Booster4075 First Lieutenant 43 Rep 391 Posts Drives: E90, 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California iTrader: (1)	If anyone is considering this, there looks to be a deal on this auction: (I didn't verify part numbers, but its the whole deal...) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-0...fAudioQ5fVideo
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01-11-2010, 01:21 AM	#351
lesliew Private 1 Rep 72 Posts Drives: E92 328i Sports+Premium Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Hi everyone this is my first post on this forum. Inspired by booster and everyone else that has tried, I'm planning on doing the idrive retrofit. I recently purchased a used 07, E92 which is still under warranty. I have also purchased a LCI idrive NAV from Germany and the CCC was coded on the bench with my VIN before they sent it over. At the same time I requested it to be coded for a USB/Ipod Interface, as I figure I would try to add this next. I havn't tried to install any of the components yet as I still need to purchase a new dash. A couple of questions to start off with. Should I wait for the warranty to expire before doing this upgrade, or should I do the upgrade and claim ignorance (i.e just say thats how I brought the car) when I take it in for its final warranty service. Does it matter ? Can I request that the vehicles software is brought upto date as part of a warranty service ?. My car is currently not equipped with the Logic 7 amp, but I read that all idrive cars have logic 7. Is this going to be a big issue ?. Finally "My car doesn't understand Me", I know this sounds strange let me explain. I have the voice control option and I'm not sure whether it is because I have an English accent and I'm driving a US spec car that I can't currently get it to understand any of my voice commands. Will the BMW service center be able to enable British voice control. If not then I don't even need to bother trying to obtain the FSC codes for voice control when the idrive is installed. On the other hand this could be a really good reason to get them to change my VO. Leslie __________________ 2007 328i Coupe Auto \| Monaco Blue \| Cream Dakota \| Premium \| Sports \| CIC retrofit \| 6FL Retrofit \| Logic 7 Retrofit
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01-11-2010, 03:00 AM	#352
Booster4075 First Lieutenant 43 Rep 391 Posts Drives: E90, 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern California iTrader: (1)	Hmmm....well you have some things to be aware of.. 1) You may have real problems getting a CCC from Germany to work correctly. Their units might be different, but their part numbers certainly are. I could not get a ECE CCC to work right - only to about 90% functionality, plus Progman refused to program it based on part number. Coding it is not an issue, just programming it / the car around it. 2) Depending on the build date of your 2007 car, you may have problems getting the buttons on the front of the CCC to work, since its from the newer style CCC from the LCI car. I would imagine its possible, but no one has spoken up yet stating that it does work (I was told that it does not, but don't know for sure.) 3) This should not really affect your warranty as it relates to the items you don't touch. Since you've got to get into the wiring harness, don't expect BMW to be kind if you have ANY type of electrical problems. And if your radio, telematics, dash, climate control, DSC, or related systems start malfunctioning, don't count on a warranty to be there for you. Ignorance won't help - that's not how they built it so they will charge you to fix it or bring it back to the way they built it. I wouldn't be surprised if they read these forums just to check our "ignorance." This is your car. I did it while it was still under warranty, fully aware of the ramifications. Luckily, I had none. And when it was done (and done right), other warrantable items got taken car of. I never asked them to address anything unethical. 4) Software will not be brought "up to date" as part of warranty unless you have specific identified issues that can be fixed with an update. Search the forums here and they will tell you these issues and you can see if you have one. Keep in mind that if you use that German CCC, and if you have the same problems I did, they may not be able to bring your software up to date. 5) Not having Logic 7 is not an issue - All i-drive cars in the US have Logic 7 but that is not necessarily the case elsewhere.. Make sure that you actually have voice control - some cars can talk and recognize basic voice commands, but that is not the more sophisticated voice control system that does more. If you don't have voice control, then I guess getting the FSC is a moot point. I don't have knowledge on the different dialects available for voice control. I'm not sure I understand your logic in changing VO - it will need to be changed to reflect the CCC/nav system add, but if you have voice control, it will already have it in your VO. If you don't have voice control and want it, you will need to make sure your car is wired for it, the VO changed, and will need the FSC. Don't count on your dealer understanding or cooperating with any of this - I spoke with 3 dealers that all told me to buy another car and that it couldn't/shouldn't be done. I spoke with several shop foreman & relatively sharp technicians who didn't know about changing VO - they knew what it was but didn't know the nuts & bolts of getting in there and making changes. (and when they did, they certainly weren't going to get involved changing things while working as an agent of the dealership they were working for.) I'm not trying to dissuade you, but this is a big project (and a big headache if you are not prepared with the knowledge.) BTW - changing the dash is the easiest part.
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