[chrisbin]

Originally Posted by FieldingMellish

Chris, I just sent you a PM.

...you too!!

[freon warrior]

Originally Posted by xenon

Good move. Keep us informed. Incidentally, what's the build-date of your E93?

Not sure I assume 08. Collecting it today or tomorrow will advise then.

Software update carried out but I won't hold my breath!

[freon warrior]

Got it back! The tickover is still poor.

[de lukke]

[QUOTE=de lukke;2723460]Help!
Yesterday my engine suddenly turned very irregular.
Got error with flashing orange engine icon on my screen.
Also, almost no power anymore.
What do you think what shall be the problem?
Monday newly diagnosed with my review dealer

E93 320I ,2008, 7500 km

Grts, de lukke[/QUOTE

The problem of my engine whas that the third injector was malfunction.

Grtz,de lukke

[COLSEN]

BMW gave me a new 320i to drive for 10 days.. much better than mine which is a VERY early 07 build. there was a "blip" in the 10 days I had it but I think the engines are ruled too much with the efficiency dynamics crap... oo it makes me mad when I see the ads on TV.. The diesel E90 318D (ED) I've also tested was just utter rubbish (no offence if anyones got one) that was the worst car I've ever driven for hesitation, poor response, random rev drops.. oh dear!

[FieldingMellish]

Originally Posted by COLSEN

I think the engines are ruled too much with the efficiency dynamics crap... oo it makes me mad when I see the ads on TV..

It makes me even madder when I'm sitting in the waiting area in Servicing, reading brochures packed with shameless puff pieces by Autocar etc. breathlessly bigging up the wonders of ED.

[xenon]

Originally Posted by COLSEN

I think the engines are ruled too much with the efficiency dynamics crap...

I think you might be right. Mine has just turned 4 weeks old and 1000 miles up and is still OK thus far in respect of any cut-outs or anything nasty.

It seems to me that the car has two modes: if I'm just pottering about town, stop / start etc. etc. the car seems to go into "ED" mode and injects as little fuel into the cylinders as possible, giving a bit of a lumpy idle and a perceived hesitation when pulling away. However, if I give it some beans for a while the engine seams to switch to "power" mode and seems totally different and much more eager to rev. Returning to town sees it switch back to "ED" mode. I get about 33mpg around town which is pretty good - perhaps that's the price to pay.

There are clearly a large number of cars out there though whose symptoms are somewhat worse.

[FieldingMellish]

Originally Posted by xenon

I think you might be right. Mine has just turned 4 weeks old and 1000 miles up and is still OK thus far in respect of any cut-outs or anything nasty.

It seems to me that the car has two modes: if I'm just pottering about town, stop / start etc. etc. the car seems to go into "ED" mode and injects as little fuel into the cylinders as possible, giving a bit of a lumpy idle and a perceived hesitation when pulling away. However, if I give it some beans for a while the engine seams to switch to "power" mode and seems totally different and much more eager to rev. Returning to town sees it switch back to "ED" mode. I get about 33mpg around town which is pretty good - perhaps that's the price to pay.

There are clearly a large number of cars out there though whose symptoms are somewhat worse.

Well, yeah, but don't forget that these problems were first seen in pre- Efficient Dynamics models. In fact, I bought my ED-enabled lemon because I was under the illusion that the problems no longer occurred with these super new engines. How wrong I was.

[chrisbin]

I think xenon is about right with what is happening and I think its all the low emissions technology/software rather than "ED" itself. (Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt ED just adding the stop/start thingy to the existing low emissions engines?)
The modes described are probably how its supposed to work too....problem is that while it seems a good idea in principle, in practice they just havent got it working properly - as for the mpg/emissions argument, you can get more economical VW's/Peugeots/Toyotas etc etc that dont require you to put up with a rough, unresponsive engine......its simply not good enough...

[COLSEN]

The ED is a package of different things that help it become more effiecient, sorry I mean hesitate, conk out, and generally run poorly, if you read up on the engines, most of them store energy from braking, and when a car is going down hill the car uses gravity to help with fuel consumption and reduces the flow of fuel, along with the auto stop start bloody annoying function. I got a brochure for the new 1 coupe & the slats in the kidney grills open & close to ease the dynamics too! My opinion is.. What a waste of time!

[chrisbin]

Hmmm Ok...well I sit corrected!!

Still crap though!!!

[FieldingMellish]

Originally Posted by COLSEN

The ED is a package of different thing that help it become more effiecient, sorry I mean hesiate, conk out, and generally run poorly, if you read up on the engines, most of them store energy from braking, and when a car is going down hill the car uses gravity to help with fuel consumption and reduces the flow of fuel, along with the auto stop start bloody annoying function. I got a brochure for the new 1 coupe & the slats in the kidney grills open & close to ease the dynamics too! My opinion is.. What a waste of time!

Heh. Yeah, they're highly versatile engines: they judder, shake, jerk, cough, sputter, limp and cut out, all the while sounding like a diesel. The one and only time you can rely on them to run without any of these problems, is when they're in the Stealer's, getting 'fixed'.

The ED stuff can mostly be safely filed under 'gimmick'. I do like the electric power steering though.

Don't think there are any problems with the new ED diesel engines by the way....Bl00dy better not be! giZZe, care to comment?

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by FieldingMellish

Don't think there are any problems with the new ED diesel engines by the way....Bl00dy better not be! giZZe, care to comment?

No nothing.

Nor on the pre ED 2.0d engine either.

[COLSEN]

A new option to me was highlighted last night whilst driving down the M6. I was trundelling down the M6 overtaking in the outside lane when all of a sudden there was a jolt, then loss of all power. I looked at the dash waiting for flashing engine symbol to appear but it didn't, still losing power I pulled into the slow lane, then stomping on the gas pedal (now down to about 40mph) I pulled up onto the hard shoulder. Then I got a huge really really really bad smell of eggs (I'm guessing this is from the catalytic convertor???) still no fault light though, so I turned the engine off, waited a few seconds and turned it back on, still no lights, then the car was right as rain as is nothing had ever happened.. so, my conclusion is, once and a while your E92 will get belly ache, get you to pull over so it can have a massive fart, have a rest, and then it'll be okay again for a while. It's the first time my car's needed to fart, and I must say I've never heard of this before... anyone else had this experience?

[chrisbin]

Well you've taken it in very good humour......however sounds exactly like what FM and I have experienced previously.....must confess that I didn't get out to smell the cars rear end so can't comment on the "fart"......

[xenon]

Anyone any further with sucessfully rejecting a car based on these problems?

[FieldingMellish]

Originally Posted by COLSEN

It's the first time my car's needed to fart, and I must say I've never heard of this before... anyone else had this experience?

Well I have to say, that is one symptom I personally have yet to experience. One to be added to that long list - 'judder', 'putter', 'shake', 'mystery rev', 'limp', 'cut out', and now 'fart'.

On the other hand, I have come close to sh1tting myself when I've suddenly lost all power and found myself an unwilling participant in a real-life game of 'Frogger'.....

[freon warrior]

Originally Posted by xenon

Anyone any further with sucessfully rejecting a car based on these problems?

I have had no response from the dealer or BMW to my letter from last Friday. (ignore him and he will go away!) As I said in a previous post it seems a little better and has not cut out again. What is the 'reject window'? 30 days?

[xenon]

Originally Posted by freon warrior

I have had no response from the dealer or BMW to my letter from last Friday. As I said in a previous post it seems a little better and has not cut out again. What is the 'reject window'? 30 days?

There is no time window set in law - the Sale of Goods Act refers to 'reasonable time'. Certainly within 30 days is reasonable I would have thought.

[FieldingMellish]

Originally Posted by freon warrior

I have had no response from the dealer or BMW to my letter from last Friday. (ignore him and he will go away!) As I said in a previous post it seems a little better and has not cut out again. What is the 'reject window'? 30 days?

BMW have their own window (aside from your statutory rights) and I think it is 30 or maybe 28 days, plus there's a milage limit. But you also have to have had a fault diagnosed which they cannot fix, which is one of their jolly little Catch-22's. If they can diagnose the problem, they will 'fix' it, ie. take the easiset, cheapest action possible - eg. install the latest software - which may well not actually fix it but will delay you a while. If they cannot fix the problem (eg. you have bought a 4 cylinder petrol engine and they have 'open technical issues' with that engine) then that will be because they cannot diagnose it.

They don't make it easy to reject a car, and if your problem is intermittent then it's hard to even prove you have a problem. If yuo fight them, they will bring to bear all their corporate legal power. If yuo win, you could get some, maybe even most, of your money back, at some date in the future, but it will have cost you plenty of hassle and probably expense.

You're much more likely to get a replacement car, but then you have to think whether you want to risk the same car again - it might have all teh same problems as the one you're rejecting.

I don't want to talk too much about my particular case - it's still not 100% resolved, but I am on the way to a solution which will hopefully see things settled in the next week or so. It's a real shame about these 318i/320i engines, and it's a black mark on BMW's name that they have these problems and know about them but pretend otherwise and let the customer suffer.

Okay. Here endeth the rant. Happy Friday everyone
FM

[xenon]

You're absolutely right, FM - I wasn't suggesting it would be an easy thing to do. The fact that they'll 'take it in and fix it' is an easy stalling tactic for them to use.

Good luck with your case and it would be interesting to hear how it finishes up once you're at liberty to discuss it.

[COLSEN]

Originally Posted by chrisbin

must confess that I didn't get out to smell the cars rear end so can't comment on the "fart"......

Well, I didn't need to get out and smell, the entire inside of the car stunk I thought I was about to see flames or something... I had to put both windows down to get rid of the smell. Now I'm no mechanic, but I don't think that's a good sign