[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Why not just either:

a) use a proven Shark Injector program for ~ $500
or,
b) have another tune, say a Vishnu tune, injected for ~ $300 ?

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN PROGRAM (as tempting as that might be...)

The only folks paying the big $ for support are the local dealers. The Shark system is just a better way to adjust the DME than a piggy. And much cheaper.

And, if we can dream on, rather than use a remote to swap programs on the fly, you could control program swaps from your steering wheel buttons, watch your boost levels on your Nav screen, who knows what all once Eugen, A418t18, et al get going on this platform.

I won't let Eugen tune my car but do look forward to what Vishnu comes up with. Duly noted sir.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

I ... do look forward to what Vishnu comes up with. Duly noted sir.

Me too. If nothing else it would save the price of the PROcede hardware. If Shiv could deliver a V3 tune via injector, that would save a lot of $.

[335ICoupe]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Me too. If nothing else it would save the price of the PROcede hardware. If Shiv could deliver a V3 tune via injector, that would save a lot of $.

That would be great, MT tune

[5soko]

talked with a tech today at my personal dealer and he said i should be careful about doing any kind of map changing and flash to my DME!! he said that bmw can find out if they wanted to and esp since there getting so strict with there DME's,m vodiing warrantys is nothing anymore!!

even tho i do like the idea and the way this will work for many, i guess this wont be the route i will be heading, i dont need bmw to find out i have been playing with the stuff in my DME directly and flashing it.
i was gonna wait for the Shark injector instead, since im not a fan of the EDIT type tuners anyways putting there personal tunes on my car. but i guess, i will looking for a piggyback to work with in the near future.

[Craigito]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

lol true. good man^

I still have my 00 1.8T (gonna sell it when I get my ABS module fixed). What did you do to yours? I had an AWE K04 setup. Fun little car to drive
(23 psi spikes )

[Craigito]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

talked with a tech today at my personal dealer and he said i should be careful about doing any kind of map changing and flash to my DME!! he said that bmw can find out if they wanted to and esp since there getting so strict with there DME's,m vodiing warrantys is nothing anymore!!

even tho i do like the idea and the way this will work for many, i guess this wont be the route i will be heading, i dont need bmw to find out i have been playing with the stuff in my DME directly and flashing it.
i was gonna wait for the Shark injector instead, since im not a fan of the EDIT type tuners anyways putting there personal tunes on my car. but i guess, i will looking for a piggyback to work with in the near future.

If you're worried about the warranty, it would seem the Dinan route would be a more obvious choice than a piggy no?

[D0WN4IT]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

lol true. good man^

I highly doubt Vishnu will use this product considering they have their own piggyback... I could be wrong though, it would be nice if i am for people in Norcal...

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Data logging and Code clearing:

There are already excellent products on the market, e.g. Auterra Dynoscan which logs data via the OBDII port using the canbus protocol. A Dynorun can be simulated as well. Codes are cleared except the extended BMW Codes. Once this will be implemented, a great software.



Thanks Jim.

LOL, datalogging via OBDII is HARDLY sufficient in neither terms of data gathered per unit time, nor the correct information one in looking for in order to tune a car as optimally as possible. Various ECUs all have to communicate using the OBD standard, but thats hardly the fastest, nor does it give insight to parameters that are not readily loggable by OBD... like individual cylinder knock retard, etc, etc. You need a logging tool that uses the ECUs native communication standard.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

talked with a tech today at my personal dealer and he said i should be careful about doing any kind of map changing and flash to my DME!! he said that bmw can find out if they wanted to and esp since there getting so strict with there DME's,m vodiing warrantys is nothing anymore!!

I'm gonna go ahead and speculate way out on a limb that Jim isn't going to release this thing just to have BMW detect every car at each service visit that has been flashed with a SI and reverted back to stock, leading to thousands of voided warranties.

[smdandb2]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

I'm gonna go ahead and speculate way out on a limb that Jim isn't going to release this thing just to have BMW detect every car at each service visit that has been flashed with a SI and reverted back to stock, leading to thousands of voided warranties.

Quoted for truthiness.

Of course BMW is going to tell you they can detect everything.

When I am talking to Jim this week, I will ask him about this as well.

[Doc E]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

Quoted for truthiness.

Of course BMW is going to tell you they can detect everything.

When I am talking to Jim this week, I will ask him about this as well.

Well with enough hard work and doughnuts everyhing can be detectable.
As smart as a programmer can be there is always someone one step ahead.
The future will be very interesting.

[smdandb2]

Originally Posted by PsyD4Me

As smart as a programmer can be there is always someone one step ahead.

That is exactly why Jim is where he is at right now, ha.

[Doc E]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

That is exactly why Jim is where he is at right now, ha.

and i'm sure BMW NA is reading this as we type.
still I am an optimist. I like the idea.

[smdandb2]

Originally Posted by PsyD4Me

and i'm sure BMW NA is reading this as we type.
still I am an optimist. I like the idea.

Thats how the world works.

What did someone say, create something that is idiot proof and someone will create a better idiot.

Its something similar to that.

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by D0WN4IT

Do you have a dyno? Or access to one?

Yes of course.

I will contact Mr. Conforti tomorrow regarding this. Tuning an already turbo'd car is not rocket science when its in the right hands and CAN and WILL be 100% perfect with zero issues. I just need to discuss some details with him. Hopefully he responds.

Building a car from the ground up with full proprietary electronics to run like stock and be 100% reliable requires a little more know how and, well knowledge is power

--Malek

[M4TW]

I guess I am also having trouble following conceptually (probably because I am either stupid or engine ignorant) how by flashing back to stock, the Shark Edit can cover up all the digital footprints, fingerprints, and DNA created by you're wild monkey wrench sex digitally created with the DME.

For instance, when your key fob is read, does it show that you've driven exactly the distance between your house and the dealership in the six months since your last service visit? Or do all the usual suspects like mileage store normally whilst the data logging of your monkey wrench sex is hidden/obscured from view?

Perhaps it's akin to watching a large bank of security videos at a casino with most of them recording normal linear action and some (devoted to boost, A/F ratios, timing and their ilk) appear innocent but on closer inspection are playing in a looped fashion?

In other words, what is erased by the shark edit when flashed back to stock? How is it erased? And what is the erased data replaced with - the data logging associated with a long leisurely Sunday drive by your Mother on stock settings perhaps?

[Lane]

Dme does not save much data. The data is easy to replace.

[judec]

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

talked with a tech today at my personal dealer and he said i should be careful about doing any kind of map changing and flash to my DME!! he said that bmw can find out if they wanted to and esp since there getting so strict with there DME's,m vodiing warrantys is nothing anymore!!

even tho i do like the idea and the way this will work for many, i guess this wont be the route i will be heading, i dont need bmw to find out i have been playing with the stuff in my DME directly and flashing it.
i was gonna wait for the Shark injector instead, since im not a fan of the EDIT type tuners anyways putting there personal tunes on my car. but i guess, i will looking for a piggyback to work with in the near future.

just out of curiosity - and it applies to others asking similar people similar questions - what did U expect them to tell U?

1. They dont know shit about the DME.
2. They dont know shit about the SharkEdit
3. Even if they would know and Jim is right (I'm likely to believe that), do U expect them to tell U "Oh yeah, we heard about that clever guy Jim who has finally broken into our new DME and is able to flash it back and forth w/o any evidence, so yes, U're cool with that, we won't find out"?

[anonemouse]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

I guess I am also having trouble following conceptually (probably because I am either stupid or engine ignorant) how by flashing back to stock, the Shark Edit can cover up all the digital footprints, fingerprints, and DNA created by you're wild monkey wrench sex digitally created with the DME.

Since Jim C. has managed to get control of the PFLASH memory bank in the DME to get his version of software on it, copying logging information out of the two 2 64Kb data flash memories is simple. When the shark injector reflashes the original image, it can restore the logging data. Its really untraceable from what I have gathered from DME processor specs. There are no magic flash counters giving away the original image has been replaced and restored.

What I am curious about and I am sure we may never know is how he got the 64 bit password required to write to the flash banks, this is what makes the reflashing possible.

A.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Well as more and more information comes out we will know. As for now I would imagine if people wanted to change maps or learn how to "tweak" the ones they have I could help with that.

I am by no means a pro, but I do good research and learn quickly....

You start tuning people's car as someone with little to no knowledge of turbo engines, maps, timing, etc., then you blow engines, then you will be sued. Not a good idea AW. This is not the idea of this type of tuning IMO.

[Haris]

Originally Posted by judec

just out of curiosity - and it applies to others asking similar people similar questions - what did U expect them to tell U?

1. They dont know shit about the DME.
2. They dont know shit about the SharkEdit
3. Even if they would know and Jim is right (I'm likely to believe that), do U expect them to tell U "Oh yeah, we heard about that clever guy Jim who has finally broken into our new DME and is able to flash it back and forth w/o any evidence, so yes, U're cool with that, we won't find out"?

+1

[Comet]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

You start tuning people's car as someone with little to no knowledge of turbo engines, maps, timing, etc., then you blow engines, then you will be sued. Not a good idea AW. This is not the idea of this type of tuning IMO.

I don't think u can sue
it is a "use at your own risk" type of thing