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      05-24-2011, 08:04 PM   #331
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On the traction control do you have fully disable the factory traction control, hit the button 1x or keep it on? I would like to test it out
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      05-24-2011, 08:15 PM   #332
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I spoke to shiv on the phone about this as well. I set boost gain to 50% and I got the boost response back like the 3-30 maps. I'm with you I missed the quicker low end boost kick. I was a little confused because I assumed the boost response controlled that not the boost gain.
So you spoke to shiv about the boost gain? I also kind of miss the early onslaught of boost in the low end, so if I set it back to 50 it will yield the same as the 3-30?
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      05-24-2011, 08:21 PM   #333
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I also have the problem that my boost takes forever to build up (1-2secs). Any idea what could be the problem? Was thinking it is my exhaust leak, or maybe a boost leak?
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This boost gain idea is starting to make sense if that was changed.
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      05-24-2011, 09:20 PM   #335
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So you spoke to shiv about the boost gain? I also kind of miss the early onslaught of boost in the low end, so if I set it back to 50 it will yield the same as the 3-30?
yes I spoke directly to him on the phone and he told me to raise the boost gain from 45% to 50% to get the lowend back how I liked it from the 3-30 maps. I forgot to ask about the boost response setting because I assumed that was the adjustment I needed to make. Long story short that gave me back the lowend response how I like it.
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yes I spoke directly to him on the phone and he told me to raise the boost gain from 45% to 50% to get the lowend back how I liked it from the 3-30 maps. I forgot to ask about the boost response setting because I assumed that was the adjustment I needed to make. Long story short that gave me back the lowend response how I like it.
Okay I will try it..
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All of this can be easily learned by searching on the forum ...
Yep, but it was the interaction with ALL of the different variables that I wanted to see, and thanks for this.

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Max boost: 17 Its the max boost allowed. If you exceed it for too long procede will revert to map 0.
If Autotuning enabled thats the max it will go up.
Mine was set to 16 PSI, for map 1 and 2. I have the bost guage on the gas guage and I don't see the needle going over 3/4... 15psi. I still stays around 14.5 or less than 3/4. I set map 2 to 16.5 and took it out for a run, still didn't go over 3/4. Any suggestions?

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Initial Boost = This is the start boost . Without Autotuning the car should boost around 15.5 psi .
If Autotuning enabled that would be your starting point
I set map 1 to 35% (that is what it was) and map 2 to 50%

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IC: 100% this is the ignition correction , 100% is about minus 3 degrees from stock.

DIC: is always enabled on the DIC maps.
So I had this set to 100% and had loaded the 6MT DIC map. I also have map 1 and map 2 enabled for Autotune

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Traction control: Not enabled now . Here you have to try which setting you like best. Shiv recommends 40% - The higher the less proceed intervenes.
I have this set to 100% map 1 and 50% map 2.... do I have to click the DTC once so I turn off the traction nanny from BMW? Then Procede takes over? Is this how this works, or can I just leave DTC on and set this to 50% and it will work. The documentation isn't clear on this one.

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Boost response: Basically how fast you want the throttle Boost to respond. I have mine at 80% . 100% is instant boost . 50% is more like stock.
Mine was set to 100% for map 1 and for map 2.... I didn't change this, but I should change it for map 2 to 80%.

any suggestions on the settings below from my screen shot?
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      05-24-2011, 11:26 PM   #338
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So far so good for me...need to mess with boost response tomorrow
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Hey guys what rpm should I be hitting my boost target? Like I feel if I floor it in 3rd at 2k rpm it takes til 3.5k ish to get up to 13psi? Higher in the rev range the response is much faster. I'm guessing I'm just being stupid and tired but just need some clarification.
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Hey guys what rpm should I be hitting my boost target? Like I feel if I floor it in 3rd at 2k rpm it takes til 3.5k ish to get up to 13psi? Higher in the rev range the response is much faster. I'm guessing I'm just being stupid and tired but just need some clarification.


On 3.5k about.
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      05-25-2011, 08:00 AM   #342
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Based on my experience, the boost will never exceed the start boost value without autotuning enabled. So if you want to hit 16 psi, up your Max boost to 17 and set your start boost to 60%. Also, based on my experience, never set your Start Boost = to your Max Boost (IE. don't do 60% Start with 16PSI Max). When I did that the Target Boost would log 20PSI, which is obviously well beyond my intended target. It also did it with lower boost targets as well (50%,15 PSI), and for some reason the Boost Target would become 20PSI. Kinda scary to see your boost go to 20 and then slowly fall back down to the Max Boost, especially in the 4K plus RPM range. You might want to log your Target Boost value and graph it with the Boost chart to see how well they align.

If for some reason others have a different experience I would love to hear that.

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Yep, but it was the interaction with ALL of the different variables that I wanted to see, and thanks for this.



Mine was set to 16 PSI, for map 1 and 2. I have the bost guage on the gas guage and I don't see the needle going over 3/4... 15psi. I still stays around 14.5 or less than 3/4. I set map 2 to 16.5 and took it out for a run, still didn't go over 3/4. Any suggestions?



I set map 1 to 35% (that is what it was) and map 2 to 50%


So I had this set to 100% and had loaded the 6MT DIC map. I also have map 1 and map 2 enabled for Autotune



I have this set to 100% map 1 and 50% map 2.... do I have to click the DTC once so I turn off the traction nanny from BMW? Then Procede takes over? Is this how this works, or can I just leave DTC on and set this to 50% and it will work. The documentation isn't clear on this one.



Mine was set to 100% for map 1 and for map 2.... I didn't change this, but I should change it for map 2 to 80%.

any suggestions on the settings below from my screen shot?
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      05-25-2011, 11:21 AM   #343
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Hey guys what rpm should I be hitting my boost target? Like I feel if I floor it in 3rd at 2k rpm it takes til 3.5k ish to get up to 13psi? Higher in the rev range the response is much faster. I'm guessing I'm just being stupid and tired but just need some clarification.
I noticed this too... 5-10 is building boost later than 3-30 did ... is this what you are noticing? Maybe it is a setting....
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still dont get it: 5-10 maps & CMGS = love ?
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      05-25-2011, 11:43 AM   #345
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still dont get it: 5-10 maps & CMGS = love ?
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these maps work with cmgs, aqua mist, devils own systems or vishnu pwm meth is required ?

enrita, are you already using them ? I might want to try them at the drag strip on sunday, 3-30 were running perfect on meth+race 18 psi, but for some reason i am not reaching the boost target anymore even on map1 and considering this update
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these maps work with cmgs, aqua mist, devils own systems or vishnu pwm meth is required ?
Meth is completely seperate from the maps/tune, you can run 5-10 on a bone stock car. If you have a kit, like my Aquamist, you can tie it into the tune for the progressive map switching. Shiv's kit uses the PROcede to control the meth, so don't get the 2 things confused.
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Also, based on my experience, never set your Start Boost = to your Max Boost (IE. don't do 60% Start with 16PSI Max). When I did that the Target Boost would log 20PSI, which is obviously well beyond my intended target. It also did it with lower boost targets as well (50%,15 PSI), and for some reason the Boost Target would become 20PSI. Kinda scary to see your boost go to 20 and then slowly fall back down to the Max Boost, especially in the 4K plus RPM range. You might want to log your Target Boost value and graph it with the Boost chart to see how well they align.

If for some reason others have a different experience I would love to hear that.
Wow, that is not a MAX BOOST setting then.... if you set this to 17 and it goes to 20...

Shiv, any insight here? This is why I posted my settings.... I wasn't getting the correct Max boost to 16, now I am a bit scared to mess with it.
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I sent shiv my maps on some pulls that I did. However, I have a weird knock almost or shake in the engine at idle. Anyone else have this?
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as i understand when u set max boost 16 and start boost lets say 30% it mean it starts from 13 psi till max 16 so it can autotune till 16 psi (with autotune)
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as i understand when u set max boost 16 and start boost lets say 30% it mean it starts from 13 psi till max 16 so it can autotune till 16 psi (with autotune)
that is what I thought too... but I am not hitting 16. Now I did see I had autotuning turned ON... this is an error seeing as I was told not to use this. When I loaded the map, it didn't overwrite the user settings - which I guess make sense - not being in the maps.

I will turn autotuning off tonight and try again.
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that is what I thought too... but I am not hitting 16. Now I did see I had autotuning turned ON... this is an error seeing as I was told not to use this. When I loaded the map, it didn't overwrite the user settings - which I guess make sense - not being in the maps.

I will turn autotuning off tonight and try again.
with regard to autotuning being "On".....this was the 3rd paragraph from Shiv's email concerning 5-10:

"You will notice that the default global boost gain is 45% instead of the usual 50%. This is intentional. Also, you will notice that Autotuning is ON in both map1 and map2. In the case of these beta maps, this only means that the Aggression value updates. But the Procede will not automatically adjust boost/timing yet. Also worth noting that the Aggression value is scaled differently from before. So don't be surprised if it reads higher or lower than what you are used to with old Autotuning maps. We intend to do things a bit differently when autotuning is fully enabled so this is just the first step. Also please leave the Baro offsetting user adjustable OFF (default setting)."
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