[RBBMWE46M3]

Originally Posted by borisivan

Glad to hear v32.1.02 is working well for people!

Has anyone in NH or MA received the update? I'm in NH and my dealer is claiming that they don't have the ability to upgrade because the software *hasn't been released to them yet*. This is from the shop foreman. He seems inclined to help and I like the dealership. But I would like to understand how it's possible that the software hasn't been released yet.

If anyone in NH or MA has had luck in upgrading, I'd love to hear it.

And on that note --- let's say a dealership an hour away from my dealership has the ability to program. Is there anything wrong with me having the work done there?

Thanks!

boris...what is your build date?

[borisivan]

I'll look it up to be specific, but it's late Oct '07 or Nov '07. It's an '08 model year.

"upgraded" to 29.2 at my dealership to address a potential oil sensor s/w bug in spring '08. Lag ever since.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

My impression of the update.

Post-turbo replacement coupled with a move from pre-29.2 to 30.0.2, my car developed a pronounced burble. After the update, the volume of the burble is nearly muted. It mirrors the sound with Dinan Classic. The car is very quiet at idle and cruising speeds, however at WOT the turbos really whine all the way through the power band. An unbelievable symphony of sheer grit and torque. Oh, the torque is back!

My observed fuel mileage has increased 3 mpg at cruising speeds nearly offsetting the mpg loss I experience post-turbo replacement.

I have instant response from 1300k rpm through the power band. I can let off the throttle let the rpms drop and wait, then punch it and the spool just happens, no delay--no wait---just instant-on! The response is identical or better than I remember with the original pre-29.2 progman. I've got better Rev. 3 turbos in place so I suspect it's a bit better than the original response.

Start-up is now very quiet and sedate. No more waking the neighbors.

IMO this is a must-update for those of sporting and ECU MD80 with 29.2 or later progman. Nothing will compensate you for the time lost with 29.2, but this update is a start on your road to recovery.

Scream, push, claw to get this update.

If your car was updated correctly, you will immediately notice the change in performance. This is a black and white performance change. If you are unsure, you didn't get it!


That car you bought is back with vengeance!

Totally agree. I will say, though, that I'm a bit surprised how loud my car still is on cold-start. Undoubtedly due to the BMW performance exhaust, but still, I figured the neighbor waking volume was due mainly to 29.2. It's maybe 25% quieter, if that. I can hear the same "changeover" about 30 seconds after cold-start, where something happens in the car that it mellows the tone and quiets down. Keep in mind my exhaust has no flap in the driver muffler, so it obviously has nothing to do with that. Other than cold-start, where I'd like it to be a tad quieter, the rest of the nosies have been muted to near perfect with the performance exhaust. I get a little pop and burble on throttle lift, but not obnoxious like how it sounded as if my car was a gun range, when in a parking garage. Also the minimal drone tha was there at 2800 is 90% gone.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Totally agree. I will say, though, that I'm a bit surprised how loud my car still is on cold-start. Undoubtedly due to the BMW performance exhaust, but still, I figured the neighbor waking volume was due mainly to 29.2. It's maybe 25% quieter, if that. I can hear the same "changeover" about 30 seconds after cold-start, where something happens in the car that it mellows the tone and quiets down. Keep in mind my exhaust has no flap in the driver muffler, so it obviously has nothing to do with that. Other than cold-start, where I'd like it to be a tad quieter, the rest of the nosies have been muted to near perfect with the performance exhaust. I get a little pop and burble on throttle lift, but not obnoxious like how it sounded as if my car was a gun range, when in a parking garage. Also the minimal drone tha was there at 2800 is 90% gone.

Agreed, I still get a burble but not nearly as loud as with 30.0.2. I don't know if you a running a tune, but when I am on boost the car sounds like a mechanical beast, I don't know how to explain it but I hear a lot of metal, but in a good way.

[stressdoc]

OT, but I am most interested in how the Perf exhaust works with the new software. It sounds like an excellent option now.

[paltomare]

Well, here we go again. My second HPFP has started showing signs of failing this weekend (long cranks). Perhaps this is why, for me, 32.1 sometimes feels great and other times feels laggy. I've lost count of how many times I've brought this thing back in for service....UGH!

[Tag]

Anyone out there gotten the update and use SSTT? Does it affect it in anyway?

[PGMMA]

Originally Posted by borisivan

Glad to hear v32.1.02 is working well for people!

Has anyone in NH or MA received the update? I'm in NH and my dealer is claiming that they don't have the ability to upgrade because the software *hasn't been released to them yet*. This is from the shop foreman. He seems inclined to help and I like the dealership. But I would like to understand how it's possible that the software hasn't been released yet.

If anyone in NH or MA has had luck in upgrading, I'd love to hear it.

And on that note --- let's say a dealership an hour away from my dealership has the ability to program. Is there anything wrong with me having the work done there?

Thanks!

I have the same problem in Washington. None of the dealers seem to have the software - or they haven't updated their SSS units to ISTA/P. It's frustrating. I wish BMW would release a "turbo lag" SIB. It would be much easier than trying to educate the dealers.

[dodell66]

Has anybody in the Portland, OR area tried having their lag issue fixed by either of the local dealerships? If so, what was your outcome? Thanks.

[munu]

Hi
In order to get 32.1 upgrade, do we have to wait for something else to go wrong with the car which need software upgrade or I can just set up an appointment for this work and BMW dealer should do it.

I have no service due for another 4-5 months so I have to take the car specifically for this. Anybody in central florida area got the software upgrade, please let me you experience.

Thanks

[i2iSTUDIOS]

man i really do need to get my car in for this.

[swartzentruber]

Originally Posted by meyergru

Yup, they use the same info. Last time I checked there, they had data up to 08/07 or something. Maybe it was updated in the meantime.

However, I have a VIN now from a 03/08 build where the ETK shows both DME versions! Never seen that before...

I just checked my 04/15/08 build 335xi, and it appears the same thing happened. If I did the search right, it found both MSD80 and MSD81 for my car. I'm confused now, as I don't feel a ton of lag, and thought I had MSD81. Now I'm not so sure. Presumably, even though I have an April build, if the dealer finds that I'm on MSD80, they'd do the fix?

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Agreed, I still get a burble but not nearly as loud as with 30.0.2. I don't know if you a running a tune, but when I am on boost the car sounds like a mechanical beast, I don't know how to explain it but I hear a lot of metal, but in a good way.

It is interesting. I never remember hearing the turbos before, and now I can, especially in a parking garage or something. I only ever heard them before for the few days I was trying an intake, which makes sense.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

OT, but I am most interested in how the Perf exhaust works with the new software. It sounds like an excellent option now.

Feel free to PM me if you want any other info beyond what I've posted here. I'd agree it is a great option. It would be REALLY cool to hear side by side on a pre 29.2 and then a 32.1 car to see if there is a difference. I never got to hear mine pre 29.2.

[shaddai]

Originally Posted by swartzentruber

I just checked my 04/15/08 build 335xi, and it appears the same thing happened. If I did the search right, it found both MSD80 and MSD81 for my car. I'm confused now, as I don't feel a ton of lag, and thought I had MSD81. Now I'm not so sure. Presumably, even though I have an April build, if the dealer finds that I'm on MSD80, they'd do the fix?

Meyergru and I just found over the weekend that sources seem to indicate I have an MSD81 car. I got 32.1 last Monday.

There are a couple of possibilities, now, as I do still have some lag. I can adapt my driving style so it's minimized, but I can't say it's gone.

1. MSD81 cars are "detuned" from MSD80 (running proper software)
2. I have a car so early built with MSD81 that they didn't get the (hardware) tuning right
3. I'm an idiot and it's all in my head
4. Sources are wrong and I have MSD80

So... theory 1 is possible, and it seems somewhat backed up by others with new 335's. I plan on testing this in a few weeks. Theory 2 is possible, but if it's right, getting it fixed would be like pulling teeth from a very angry animal that wants to eat you. Theory 3 is half right (the first half). No idea on 4, but it's doubtful.

[Gran Coopay]

I got my update on Friday and its great to have my car back.

For those of you still waiting, make sure you ask your shop foreman if you don't get anywhere with the SA.

SF's read the the service bulletins

[swartzentruber]

Originally Posted by shaddai

Meyergru and I just found over the weekend that sources seem to indicate I have an MSD81 car. I got 32.1 last Monday.

There are a couple of possibilities, now, as I do still have some lag. I can adapt my driving style so it's minimized, but I can't say it's gone.

1. MSD81 cars are "detuned" from MSD80 (running proper software)
2. I have a car so early built with MSD81 that they didn't get the (hardware) tuning right
3. I'm an idiot and it's all in my head
4. Sources are wrong and I have MSD80

So... theory 1 is possible, and it seems somewhat backed up by others with new 335's. I plan on testing this in a few weeks. Theory 2 is possible, but if it's right, getting it fixed would be like pulling teeth from a very angry animal that wants to eat you. Theory 3 is half right (the first half). No idea on 4, but it's doubtful.

Well, I suggested a few pages back that maybe us MSD81s (assuming that's what I have) need our own lag thread. My own experience has been that I do have some lag, but I don't think it's ever been as bad as those with MSD80 and 29.2. I can feel power at 1.5k, but it doesn't feel like full power until maybe 2k. My theory is that the MSD81 wastegate behavior is still not exactly like MSD80 with either pre 29.2 or 32.1. Either that, or #1 from your list is correct.

Certainly the best thing to do would be testing back-to-back with a MSD80 and 32.1.

[shaddai]

Originally Posted by swartzentruber

Well, I suggested a few pages back that maybe us MSD81s (assuming that's what I have) need our own lag thread. My own experience has been that I do have some lag, but I don't think it's ever been as bad as those with MSD80 and 29.2. I can feel power at 1.5k, but it doesn't feel like full power until maybe 2k. My theory is that the MSD81 wastegate behavior is still not exactly like MSD80 with either pre 29.2 or 32.1. Either that, or #1 from your list is correct.

Certainly the best thing to do would be testing back-to-back with a MSD80 and 32.1.

That you did. Like I alluded to earlier, I have a meetup tentatively scheduled with a never-been-flashed MSD80 coming up. Something tells me I should bring along the video camera for internet posterity.

There is some support for theory 1 as my car is stronger now than it was shortly after I took delivery. Sometimes it's not laggy so much, but it's more like a two-stage power application. Reminds me of the old R/C cars with the turbo mode when you pushed higher up. zoomZOOM style.

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by swartzentruber

Well, I suggested a few pages back that maybe us MSD81s (assuming that's what I have) need our own lag thread. My own experience has been that I do have some lag, but I don't think it's ever been as bad as those with MSD80 and 29.2. I can feel power at 1.5k, but it doesn't feel like full power until maybe 2k. My theory is that the MSD81 wastegate behavior is still not exactly like MSD80 with either pre 29.2 or 32.1. Either that, or #1 from your list is correct.

Certainly the best thing to do would be testing back-to-back with a MSD80 and 32.1.

+1

From what was written in this thread about MSD81, I always got the impression that MSD81 was never quite up to par lag-wise with pre-v29.2 MSD80. But it is hard to believe for MSD81 owners since most never experienced pre-v29.2. Many said: "My car is fine".

However, shaddai's result of v32.1 is what was to be expected and could be read out of the official statement: No change in ISTA/P 2.32.1 for MSD81.

Disclaimer: I never drove one, so take this with a grain of salt. BTW: The car that was tested on Autobild was an MSD81 as well and the owner wants to test a proper MSD80 car as well, as soon as weather conditions permit that.

[BzzzBom]

FYI -- All new 2009 cars will have v32.1 so there will be 2008 MSD81 cars without v32.1 and 2009 MSD81 cars with v32.1. This is getting very weird.

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

FYI -- All new 2009 cars will have v32.1 so there will be 2008 MSD81 cars without v32.1 and 2009 MSD81 cars with v32.1. This is getting very weird.

Since our hypothesis (which coincidentally fits BMW's claims) is that there was nothing ever changed in the DME software for MSD81 since the first release v29.2, what gives?

[tomswift]

I have a 335i coupe built 9/7/2006. It is running 29.2 software after several updates. I looked and it has the MSD80 control unit. If I understand correctly my best option is to try to get the turbo updated and the 32.1 software installed?

Thanks.. Tom