[335dsleeper]

Originally Posted by Charged

535d compressor housing intake diameter is 71mm and 335d diameter is 76mm so wheel has to be smaller, guess that 76mm is exducer.

I assume it's exducer as well since it'd be impossible to fit a 76mm inducer. That said, 76mm exducer is not the largest that can fit in the 335d LP turbo.

[Charged]

Largest is not necessary yet.

[Whitbread]

Originally Posted by Charged

Largest is not necessary yet.

High pressure fueling solutions are in the works . I'll get an update on them June 3rd at Muncie Dragway.

[AiM]

Originally Posted by Charged

535d compressor housing intake diameter is 71mm and 335d diameter is 76mm so wheel has to be smaller, guess that 76mm is exducer.

Intake diameter???

LCI535D and 335D has same turbinewheel and compressorwheel -pre-lci 535D has just minor change in compressorwheel diameter... None of them has stock 76mm exducer.

[Charged]

Originally Posted by AiM

Intake diameter???

LCI535D and 335D has same turbinewheel and compressorwheel -pre-lci 535D has just minor change in compressorwheel diameter... None of them has stock 76mm exducer.

Sorry I cant explain in english:
Käännä sinä jos osaat, kotelon imuaukon paksumpi kohta jonka päälle voi laittaa 70mm silikoniletkun, 335d imuaukkoa ei ole koska samaa valua iso omituisen mallinen möntti 76mm joten siihen joutuu laittaa sisälle jonkun holkin jonka päälle voi laittaa isomman imuletkun. 75mm kompuralla kotelo menee puhki joten sen kokoinen siipi ei tuolla aiemmin voi olla.

Stock intake pipe is not good option to use in these upgrade turbos.

[jkela]

Originally Posted by Charged

Sorry I cant explain in english:
Käännä sinä jos osaat, kotelon imuaukon paksumpi kohta jonka päälle voi laittaa 70mm silikoniletkun, 335d imuaukkoa ei ole koska samaa valua iso omituisen mallinen möntti 76mm joten siihen joutuu laittaa sisälle jonkun holkin jonka päälle voi laittaa isomman imuletkun. 75mm kompuralla kotelo menee puhki joten sen kokoinen siipi ei tuolla aiemmin voi olla.

Stock intake pipe is not good option to use in these upgrade turbos.

Translation attempt from me:
To exploit air flow increase in hybrid LP turbo, you need to enlarge the intake air line from air filter. Pre-lci LP turbo has inlet neck with 71mm diameter and a hose can be fitted over it giving higher surface area for air entering inducer.
For 335d/lci 535d, the LP turbo inlet neck is not regular round shape and thus requires a modified bushing (thin wall thickness to maximise surface area for inflowing air) to be inserted inside the inlet neck, where a larger diameter inlet hose can be attached.
Charged seems to think also that exducer >=75mm will not fit the turbine housing... (Correct me if translation is not accurate).
-jarmo

[AiM]

Originally Posted by Charged

Sorry I cant explain in english:
Käännä sinä jos osaat, kotelon imuaukon paksumpi kohta jonka päälle voi laittaa 70mm silikoniletkun, 335d imuaukkoa ei ole koska samaa valua iso omituisen mallinen möntti 76mm joten siihen joutuu laittaa sisälle jonkun holkin jonka päälle voi laittaa isomman imuletkun. 75mm kompuralla kotelo menee puhki joten sen kokoinen siipi ei tuolla aiemmin voi olla.

Stock intake pipe is not good option to use in these upgrade turbos.

I don't understand because nothing what you wrote doesn't make sense. Even you wrote it in Finnish.

If You haven't even held those turbos in your hands or don't know anatomy of these turbochargers, please do not tell any facts about hybrid turbos...

In LCI535D/335D plastic intake pipe tapers from maf to compressorhousing to inner diameter ~55mm. If you don't go bigger compressor inducer than ~55mm oem intake should be fine. In PRE-LCI535D that intake pipe is different and that's completely different story -that really sucks, literally.

[335dsleeper]

Originally Posted by AiM

I don't understand because nothing what you wrote doesn't make sense. Even you wrote it in Finnish.

If You haven't even held those turbos in your hands or don't know anatomy of these turbochargers, please do not tell any facts about hybrid turbos...

In LCI535D/335D plastic intake pipe tapers from maf to compressorhousing to inner diameter ~55mm. If you don't go bigger compressor inducer than ~55mm oem intake should be fine. In PRE-LCI535D that intake pipe is different and that's completely different story -that really sucks, literally.

Do you run the stock air box?

[AiM]

Originally Posted by 335dsleeper

Do you run the stock air box?

Yes.

[TC-performance]

Hello

Exducer 76mm.

We did measurements on the dyno with standard air intake and without intake and air filter. There is no difference.

I repeat, there is nothing to combine with turbochargers. Hybrid Turbo with bigger compressor wheel is enough. In diesel engines, power doesn't come from the air, only from the fuel;-)

We tested the hybrid turbocharger with 82mm compressor wheel and larger exhaust shaft. It gives only LAG.

[335dsleeper]

82mm compressor excuder. We need to be clear when we're throwing wheel sizes around.

You need air to match fuel. You can't just throw fuel and make power. The larger the turbo, the more fuel required. Saying a larger turbo won't make power is just plain wrong.

[DWR]

Originally Posted by TC-performance

In diesel engines, power doesn't come from the air, only from the fuel;-)

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that power does not come from air or fuel, but rather their combination. It is true that diesel has a wide range of AFR, so relative to OEM AFR levels, more fuel does get more power. However, you won't be very successful running a diesel at an AFR of 10 ... unless, you don't run it on diesel fuel.

[Zuke737]

I have to agree, has no one seen an 18 year old with a 300$ chip in a Dodge or Ford truck. Fuel = smoke and high EGT with stock air.

[TC-performance]

I agree completely.
I used a mental shortcut so that direct you to the right path...

You can have a turbo 500hp + but for what? You want to reduce EGT? Value of the exhaust gas temperature has a lot of factors, not only the backpressure.I showed you that for 450HP you dont need anything, only bigger compr. wheel and I will show You 480HP with the same turbo spec.

STAT_AFSCD_mAirPerCyl_WERT STAT_Eng_nAvrg_Carb_WERT
613.105 1388
657.784 1244
657.784 1244
697.384 1249
697.384 1249
726.193 1293
726.193 1293
754.465 1359
754.465 1359
785.081 1429
785.081 1429
821.996 1469
821.996 1469
858.764 1490
858.764 1490
896.997 1517
896.997 1517
933.765 1550
933.765 1550
970.485 1592
970.485 1592
1001.88 1622
1001.88 1622
1036.8 1666
1036.8 1666
1072.68 1681
1072.68 1681
1115.51 1724
1115.51 1724
1165.31 1768
1165.31 1768
1239.87 1826
1239.87 1826
1316.19 1888
1316.19 1888
1368.3 1948
1368.3 1948
1397.2 1975
1397.2 1975
1422.01 1991
1422.01 1991
1448.81 1973
1448.81 1973
1477.77 1999
1477.77 1999
1491.78 2035
1491.78 2035
1498.81 2071
1498.81 2071
1515.37 2099
1515.37 2099
1531.77 2126
1531.77 2126
1541.3 2150
1541.3 2150
1550.57 2192
1550.57 2192
1557.21 2222
1557.21 2222
1565.17 2243
1565.17 2243
1575.18 2270
1575.18 2270
1579.77 2302
1579.77 2302
1587.98 2320
1587.98 2320
1589.39 2358
1589.39 2358
1595.3 2379
1595.3 2379
1597.4 2403
1597.4 2403
1596.91 2429
1596.91 2429
1600.04 2452
1600.04 2452
1600.04 2477
1600.04 2477
1600.04 2505
1600.04 2505
1600.04 2536
1600.04 2536
1600.04 2550
1600.04 2550
1600.04 2587
1600.04 2587
1600.04 2607
1600.04 2607
1600.04 2631
1600.04 2631
1600.04 2657
1600.04 2657
1600.04 2678
1600.04 2678
1600.04 2710
1600.04 2710
1600.04 2744
1600.04 2744
1600.04 2764
1600.04 2764
1600.04 2786
1600.04 2786
1600.04 2808
1600.04 2808
1600.04 2849
1600.04 2849
1600.04 2889
1600.04 2889
1600.04 2914
1600.04 2914
1600.04 2938
1600.04 2938
1600.04 2952
1600.04 2952
1600.04 2996
1600.04 2996
1600.04 3000
1600.04 3000
1600.04 3043
1600.04 3043
1600.04 3058
1600.04 3058
1600.04 3080
1600.04 3080
1600.04 3100
1600.04 3100
1600.04 3110
1600.04 3110
1600.04 3140
1600.04 3140
1600.04 3164
1600.04 3164
1600.04 3191
1600.04 3191
1600.04 3201
1600.04 3201
1600.04 3239
1600.04 3239
1600.04 3251
1600.04 3251
1600.04 3281
1600.04 3281
1600.04 3306
1600.04 3306
1600.04 3323
1600.04 3323
1600.04 3347
1600.04 3347
1600.04 3376
1600.04 3376
1600.04 3393
1600.04 3393
1600.04 3410
1600.04 3410
1600.04 3447
1600.04 3447
1600.04 3453
1600.04 3453
1600.04 3490
1600.04 3490
1600.04 3509
1600.04 3509
1600.04 3533
1600.04 3533
1600.04 3547
1600.04 3547
1600.04 3575
1600.04 3575
1600.04 3598
1600.04 3598
1600.04 3625
1600.04 3625
1600.04 3645
1600.04 3645
1600.04 3664
1600.04 3664
1600.04 3686
1600.04 3686
1600.04 3703
1600.04 3703
1600.04 3721
1600.04 3721
1600.04 3741
1600.04 3741
1600.04 3765
1600.04 3765
1600.04 3785
1600.04 3785
1600.04 3796
1600.04 3796
1600.04 3832
1600.04 3832
1600.04 3857
1600.04 3857
1600.04 3877
1600.04 3877
1600.04 3899
1600.04 3899
1600.04 3916
1600.04 3916
1600.04 3952
1600.04 3952
1600.04 3963
1600.04 3963
1600.04 3986
1600.04 3986
1600.04 4007
1600.04 4007
1600.04 4026
1600.04 4026
1600.04 4058
1600.04 4058
1600.04 4073
1600.04 4073
1600.04 4093
1600.04 4093
1600.04 4121
1600.04 4121
1600.04 4130
1600.04 4130
1600.04 4156
1600.04 4156
1600.04 4184
1600.04 4184
1600.04 4192
1600.04 4192
1600.04 4210
1600.04 4210
1600.04 4234
1600.04 4234
1600.04 4250
1600.04 4250
1600.04 4275
1600.04 4275
1600.04 4295
1600.04 4295
1600.04 4310
1600.04 4310
1600.04 4332
1600.04 4332
1600.04 4351
1600.04 4351
1600.04 4376
1600.04 4376
1600.04 4396
1600.04 4396
1600.04 4407
1600.04 4407
1600.04 4429
1600.04 4429
1600.04 4448
1600.04 4448
1600.04 4469
1600.04 4469
1600.04 4490
1600.04 4490
1600.04 4514
1600.04 4514
1600.04 4520
1600.04 4520
1600.04 4540
1600.04 4540
1600.04 4568
1600.04 4568
1600.04 4592
1600.04 4592
1600.04 4606
1600.04 4606

As you know EDC16 has a limit - maximum value of the variable STAT_AFSCD. In my car, this value is much higher than can be seen in the logs...

I did a lot of projects with this engine using load dyno. You can see: https://www.facebook.com/TeCePERFORMANCE/

[Charged]

^You mean when add more fuel and boost stock 55mm turbine wheel can handle it all up to +500hp

[TC-performance]

Stock Turbine Wheel can handle 480Hp and 600Hp with nitro. I have never seen +500hp on the standard fuel.

[Charged]

Near 480hp/ 847nm from 535d https://www.facebook.com/20863359252...type=3&theater

[jackstrath]

Has anyone thought of just hybrid'n the larger turbo ?

The wall of torque low down can hamper traction , and looking at my graphs it's top end that tails off before low end power is much of a issue , sure I get hybrid small and large turbo will be the best, but just for the numbers game would hybriding the larger turbo on its own be worth while ?

I run 370bhp and 570ftlbs (flywheel) on stock turbos with dpf removed and Wagner fmic (we also have access to premium diesel) , 400bhp and 635ftlbs with meth on (progressive controller 1x1000cc injector)

[Charged]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

Has anyone thought of just hybrid'n the larger turbo ?

The wall of torque low down can hamper traction , and looking at my graphs it's top end that tails off before low end power is much of a issue , sure I get hybrid small and large turbo will be the best, but just for the numbers game would hybriding the larger turbo on its own be worth while ?

I run 370bhp and 570ftlbs (flywheel) on stock turbos with dpf removed and Wagner fmic (we also have access to premium diesel) , 400bhp and 635ftlbs with meth on (progressive controller 1x1000cc injector)

Above dyno is with only larger k26 and stock size kp35 small turbo.

[TDIwyse]

Originally Posted by Charged

Near 480hp/ 847nm from 535d https://www.facebook.com/20863359252...type=3&theater

Nice.

Was this at the wheels? If not, what was it at the wheels?

[_TB_]

Originally Posted by TDIwyse

Nice.

Was this at the wheels? If not, what was it at the wheels?

Dynomet (The software used) calculates power at the crank.

Apart from a wrong airpressure, the values seems ok. The run took 19 seconds - either there is a brake on the dyno or it was rolled in 6th gear.

[TC-performance]

BMW E46 330cd 204HP - STAGE PORN : 402HP / 766Nm
Mods :
-----Hybrid Turbo : TC400 by TC-Turbo : https://facebook.com/turbo.lodz/
-----FMIC Mishimoto
-----INJ219
-----Exhuast, Intake, Exhaust Manifold by Dr eXhaust
-----Custom Mod by TC-PERFORMANCE
Result : 402HP / 766Nm