[SaNGRia]

i got some idea what he is done to edit this files after making some research. And compared original files with the one edited. And what I realize is PDC_E87.C05 contains e9x info on the NCSExpert. But the PDC_E84.C15 has only e84 listed.

He implement all the necessary part from this PARZUWEISUNG_FSW : {00003001} 00000000 0001 206E {h} (FF) {h} {} // E84_MESSBEREICH_ECKE_HIN
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0687 (3C) // e84
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0966 (3C) // e84_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 09A2 (3C) // e84_lci
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 09A3 (3C) // e84_lci_sport

to this : PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 003D (3C) // e81
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 00DF (3C) // e82
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0956 (3C) // e82_lci
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0965 (3C) // e82_m
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0687 (3C) // e84

PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 04B4 (3C) // e89
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 08EA (3C) // e89_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 003F (3C) // e90
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0193 (3C) // e90_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 06A2 (3C) // e90_m
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 07E6 (3C) // e90_mue
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 07E7 (3C) // e90_mue_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 00E0 (3C) // e91
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 01B2 (3C) // e91_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 07E8 (3C) // e91_mue
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 07E9 (3C) // e91_mue_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 00E8 (3C) // e92
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 00E1 (3C) // e93
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 05FC (3C) // e92_e93_m
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 05FD (3C) // e92_e93_sport
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 08EB (3C) // e92_e93_lci
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 08EC (3C) // e92_e93_lci_sport

PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 09A2 (3C) // e84_lci
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 09A3 (3C) // e84_lci_sport

But when i disassembly the TRSVC.C09 I see the list like this :

PARZUWEISUNG_FSW : {00003000} 00000086 0002 1F65 {} (FF) {h} {} // FRONT_BUMPER_POSITION
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 02A0 (F0,FC) // e70
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0826 (F1,FC) // e70m
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0433 (F1,FC) // e71
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0827 (F0,FC) // e71m
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 050A (F1,FC) // e72
PARZUWEISUNG_PSW1 : 0687 (F8,FC) // e84

So we have to add e9x to this list in order to read the TRSVC file from e9x series.

The module came off of the x1 e84 so the memory of the module programmed for e84 which can be used for other models as well. But because it is programmed e84 , it can not be seeing on the system until it gets default coded just like the PDC. And NCSExpert doesnt have a native file to see that module unfortunately. And the same NCSExpert does not have e84 PDC file to read on e9x either unless you make the chances.

So i wonder if we add the same list under TRSVC it might work.

He was lucky because he had a referece folder such as PDC_E87.C05 to make all this changes for the PDC_E84.C15. Because when you run the NCSExpert with the e9x series PDC, PDC is getting recognized under the PDC_E87.C05 file.

But because of e9x never introduced with the TRSVC we do not have any reference point to look for differences in between e9x to e84.

[Andystobbs]

Surely all that is just the content of the file and selectable coding options. Can't imagine it has anything to do with getting ncs to actually communicate successfully with trsvc. Which is the issue here.

[scoopy]

Can somebody help me i tried doing it to my e82. I get these. Can somebody help me what should i do to make it work?

[SaNGRia]

Coding index needs to be edited on this file.
My point on the other one was he made those changes on e87 because when our car hooked up to ncsexpert it does not read the e84 file.

TRSVC also programmed for just e70 e71 and e84 thats why it is not seeing e87 e89 . If we can code the TRSVC file right way it will be the first natively coded TRSVC on e9x . I never done it, but I am sure there re some serious geeks here.

Originally Posted by Andystobbs

Surely all that is just the content of the file and selectable coding options. Can't imagine it has anything to do with getting ncs to actually communicate successfully with trsvc. Which is the issue here.

[SaNGRia]

I will try to do partial coding on ista P to program the TRSVC instead of NCSExpert. If I can success it I will document it and will also share here. I am still waiting the camera harness to conclude this project. And because of the Covid19 everything is in delay.

[scoopy]

Originally Posted by SaNGRia

I will try to do partial coding on ista P to program the TRSVC instead of NCSExpert. If I can success it I will document it and will also share here. I am still waiting the camera harness to conclude this project. And because of the Covid19 everything is in delay.

Any update

[SaNGRia]

Originally Posted by scoopy

Any update

My harness stucked at ISC CHICAGO IL, cant do any progress, but I installed e84 pdc and coded, running with the Chinese emulator at the moment!

[SaNGRia]

Originally Posted by scoopy

Any update

Well. I got the wiring harness day before. I installed everything. Everything working perfectly fine. But my issue is little weird with TRSVC.

I got the TRSVC from 2015 e84. And First thing I tried was Tool32 TRSVC70.prg to communicate with it since I had an issue with the f10 m5 TRSVC which I thought it would 100% work since it was can1 module but it didn't so thats why as soon as I installed the TRSVC I went to Tool32 and it gave the same error of TRSVC NOT RESPONDING on tool32.

But when I put my vehicle to reverse it works without any issue and I can use all the features including towing zoom.

Then I went to ISTA, because ista uses the EDIABAS KDCAN connection, it shows on the Module Tree as TRSVC with 2 error stored. But when I call up the ECU Function, ECU still can not commincate.

Then I went to INPA to see the UIF and it is listed under STVR/TEBF ZB No 9291385 which is the X1 TRSVC module PN. And when I click read it also gives all the HW SW data on INPA. But there is no way to read the ECU and I just can not understand how I can not communicate with it.



I tried different canbus cables to gain access. Still no luck. But I removed the can bus cable from the TRSVC then reverse camera function stop working.

That means my TRSVC 100% commincating with PDC so it is working without any issue but how I can not read the module in any other places? This is so strange. I was at least expecting to see the module on Tool32 so I would flash the module with my VIN with WinKFP.

I am kind of upset with this but knowing at least I have a working system makes me happy.

Another thing is when I manually click the Park button, It turns on the Park Menu and shows my Car PDC on the right side and x1 car icon in the middle and camera icon is clickable. Then I have to manually click the camera icon to turn on TRSVC. But it works without an issue when I put it on Reverse. So it also sound weird to me. Do you guys have the same issue when it is manually activated with park button?

Here is my DIY : https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=26178710

[Dubstar]

For communication with TRSVC you need at minimum a JBE 3R H2. Then will ISTA, Inpa and Tool32 work. For coding you need a ICOM!

But it's not necessary to code the TRSVC while there is not really something to code.

Tested with E84 and E70 TRSVC, no difference after coding.

And when you push the PDC button it is normal that the PDC is showing and not the camera. That's the way the system works in Exx series.
For showing your Car in the middle you have to code your PDC ECU.

I used Inpa to calibrate my camera, so the steering will fit to the bumper in the picture.

[Andystobbs]

I used my Texa diagnostic tool to carry out camera learn in TRSVC. Non of the original bmw stuff will communicate but as others have said it really doesn't matter. So long as you get a working RVC its job complete.

[Dubstar]

With JBE 3R you can communicate with BMW tools. and you have to edit Inpa files that it use TRSVC01 and then you can calibrate with Inpa.

ISTA calibration works also with JBE 3R but the calibration ends with strange steering lines by my E81.

[SaNGRia]

Excellent information. I was about to remove my PDC and let the TRSVC run to see if I can still communicate with TRSVC since I am using the PDC Can cables on my TRSVC.

One of my friend done the same project in his LCI vehicle. At the end my guess was i think my prelci does not have the new frm3 like you do, that's why you can read the same TRSVC but i can't. it was just the assumption.

But what you are saying is make sense. So if I get the e70 TRSVC can I communicate? I think because I have the 2015 e84 trsvc the firmware of this unit is most updated. And when I see the e70 ones their SW NO usually starts with A or B which is a lot older and I had a feeling that will work on my vehicle.

I actually just sent an offer on Ebay right before I saw your message here

Well, I am little obssesive with the ISTA and now I am upset everytime I run the diagnostic scan , I am seeing TRSVC error.

If this unit can be winkfp flash to an previous firmware do you think it can be detected by prelci JBE?

Even tho e70 might communicate with my car, then I will still have 2 errors stored since I wont have the side fender cameras installed.

As far as calibration goes, I tried to access the TRSVC on INPA since INPA UIF shows the TRSVC, I couldnt access to the TRSVC under any chassis. Can you please explain what steps should I take to access TRSVC.

And also The tools might not communicate with the TRSVC but e84 PDC definitely seeing it otherwise I wouldn't have camera.

Last thing is if i ever want to upgrade to the JBE3 is it possible to swap and code on NCSExpert without iLeveling on ISTA P. Or do i have to use ista P. (Because i have retrofitted my CIC, i can not use the ISTA P unless i update mt FRM to FRM3.)

And I am just wishing to clear that 2 error stored on this ISTA. Is there any way to use INPA to clear this errors?

Originally Posted by Dubstar

For communication with TRSVC you need at minimum a JBE 3R H2. Then will ISTA, Inpa and Tool32 work. For coding you need a ICOM!

But it's not necessary to code the TRSVC while there is not really something to code.

Tested with E84 and E70 TRSVC, no difference after coding.

And when you push the PDC button it is normal that the PDC is showing and not the camera. That's the way the system works in Exx series.
For showing your Car in the middle you have to code your PDC ECU.

I used Inpa to calibrate my camera, so the steering will fit to the bumper in the picture.

[SaNGRia]

Originally Posted by Andystobbs

I used my Texa diagnostic tool to carry out camera learn in TRSVC. Non of the original bmw stuff will communicate but as others have said it really doesn't matter. So long as you get a working RVC its job complete.

Thank you buddy. Well If I can manage to calibrate with INPA it will be good even tho my calibration looks pretty good :



My only concern is ISTA can recognizes the TRSVC in the module tree but can not read the ECU. SO frustrating. How can be seeing but not communicating is causing me not to delete stored errors under this module.

I had $3AG with my Chinese emulator and ISTA never showed TRSVC. It is somehow getting recognized but my JBE as Dubstar said causing the issue. At least now i know what is this about.

I really wished to winkfp flashing thr TRSVC with my vin tho.

[Dubstar]

It doesn't matter which TRSVC, with a JBE 3R you can address the E70 or E84 TRSVC.

An older firmware does not work because a JBE 2 or smaller cannot address the TRSVC hardware.

The errors in the E70 TRSVC cannot be deleted, even if you flash it to E84. It always says that the other cameras are missing!

How I changed INPA that it uses the TRSVC01 instead of the TRSVC70 I can look up later. I don't know that by heart and am working at the moment.

For the JBE 3 you only need WINKFP (flash firmware / VIN) and NCS (coding) and INPA (clear error memory).

But as I said before, you don't have to code anything in TRSVC. Calibration is sufficient to ensure that the green and red lines are in the correct position.


I started the calibration via INPA and then I drove on the highway because the camera uses the road markings to calibrate.


I have a question for you, you also have a manual transmission. If the camera image is there and you drive forward then do the green lines in the image disappear?

With automatic transmissions they disappear when you drive forward and only then does the camera image go out at some point.

Tested on an E87 with automatic.
With my E81 (manual) the lines stay there while driving forward.

Here's a video from this E87, the green lines disappearing.

[SaNGRia]

Thank you buddy for detailed explanation. The reason I got the e84 TRSVC instead of E70 to see my ISTA Error Free. And I wasn't expecting this to be happened since it uses can1 system and I was aware of the issue with e70 trsvc since they come with either 3 or 5 fakra and always be giving error for the missing cameras.

Seems like an easy upgrade to swap the JBE 3 then if it is only going to work after Flashing and default coding the JBE3.

FRM3 is also PnP for FRM2 to FRM3. And if the JBE3 is PnP I will like to order and update. I was just afraiding If I Level needs to be updated thats all.

And I do not want to code or do anything to the TRSVC. My ultimate goal is to recognize TRSVC on bmw platform and run like OEM system. It is just not right every time I scan the ISTA it takes longer and with an error there. If it is just PnP and after that Winkfp + NCS (I guess this is just for default coding or I can also get a copy of my existing JBE FWS file to compare with new one.) + INPA or ISTA for error clearing.

As far as the camera parking guide line goes, be honest never drove the car since the camera installed due to rainy weather. I will try and report back.

I just want to make sure JBE3 swap is just this right not the complete fuse box?


This is my current JBBF : 9187541 SW: 8.63

Yeah seems like i have H3 Type KDCAN lines :

Variations:
There are these variations:
jbbf81 K-line (cars older than march 2007) also knows as JBE
jbbf70 D-can (cars newer than march 2007) also knows as JBE2
jbbfr3 D-can (cars newer than march 2007) also knows as JBE3

Versions of JBE:
There are a few versions available
L1 (low range type, low range version)
L2 (low range type, medium range version)

H1 (high range type, low range version)
H2 (high range type, medium range version)
H3 (high range type, high range version -> used in E91 and E93)
H4 (high range type, very high range version)

Originally Posted by Dubstar

It doesn't matter which TRSVC, with a JBE 3R you can address the E70 or E84 TRSVC.

An older firmware does not work because a JBE 2 or smaller cannot address the TRSVC hardware.

The errors in the E70 TRSVC cannot be deleted, even if you flash it to E84. It always says that the other cameras are missing!

How I changed INPA that it uses the TRSVC01 instead of the TRSVC70 I can look up later. I don't know that by heart and am working at the moment.

For the JBE 3 you only need WINKFP (flash firmware / VIN) and NCS (coding) and INPA (clear error memory).

But as I said before, you don't have to code anything in TRSVC. Calibration is sufficient to ensure that the green and red lines are in the correct position.


I started the calibration via INPA and then I drove on the highway because the camera uses the road markings to calibrate.


I have a question for you, you also have a manual transmission. If the camera image is there and you drive forward then do the green lines in the image disappear?

With automatic transmissions they disappear when you drive forward and only then does the camera image go out at some point.

Tested on an E87 with automatic.
With my E81 (manual) the lines stay there while driving forward.

Here's a video from this E87, the green lines disappearing

[Dubstar]

To be able to access the camera with INPA you have to go to
C: / EC-APPS / INPA / CDGDAT /

edit the appropriate file for his vehicle series
1 series = E87.GER / ENG,
3 series = E90.GER / ENG.

GER if INPA is in German
ENG if INPA is in English.

Open it with a text editor and add the entry
"ENTRY= RFK_70, Rückfahrkamera-System," to "KAROSSERIE", then you can select and calibrate the camera in INPA under your vehicle class.

For the Englisch file it's called "RFK_70, Rear Driving Camera System RFK_70,"

Save and Calibrate

JBE swap is PnP. It's only the ECU not the complete Fusebox.
FRM3 is not necessary for camera.

[SaNGRia]

I will give a shot right away Thank you

Ok. I got the following Errors after trying to reach out the Calibration. I think without JBE3 swap no way to reach this module.

Originally Posted by Dubstar

To be able to access the camera with INPA you have to go to
C: / EC-APPS / INPA / CDGDAT /

edit the appropriate file for his vehicle series
1 series = E87.GER / ENG,
3 series = E90.GER / ENG.

GER if INPA is in German
ENG if INPA is in English.

Open it with a text editor and add the entry
"ENTRY= RFK_70, Rückfahrkamera-System," to "KAROSSERIE", then you can select and calibrate the camera in INPA under your vehicle class.

For the Englisch file it's called "RFK_70, Rear Driving Camera System TFK_70,"

Save and Calibrate

JBE swap is PnP. It's only the ECU not the complete Fusebox.
FRM3 is not necessary for camera.

[Dubstar]

Without JBE3, no way xD

[SaNGRia]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

Without JBE3, no way xD

I think if there was a converter for the KCAN Low cable that converts the High range that comes from the JBE to medium range like H2 i think i would able to read it without JBE3 Conversion

[SaNGRia]

Update : I did flash my own JBE2 today. Everything went smooth. It flashed about in 4 min with KDCAN cable. And after that I got like 13 errors on ISTA. I cleared them and all went back to normal. So now I have a latest JBE2 software on my ECU. I did not default code the JBBF but when I compared the FSW files they were identical.

Then I felt confident to get the JBE3 today. And I got on Ebay. I think this will be the best since it is Master JBE3. It comes out from E92 335i . And I will just swap the ECU and FLash it and after default coding i will clear the errors on INPA or ISTA and then it should start running without an issue I hope of course : ) Then I am hoping to communicate with the TRSVC and done with it. This is the last electronic upgrade I am doing to this vehicle and maybe I can go ahead and get FRM3 to convert my preLCI to totally LCI with the iLevel update.

[Andystobbs]

Will my 2010 E91 already have jbe3r?

[SaNGRia]

Originally Posted by Andystobbs

Will my 2010 E91 already have jbe3r?

Not necessarily. Usually E91 uses H2 or H3 and you can easily check that. Go to your INPA get the UIF and look at the part no. If it is starting with 92*** most probably JBE3 if it starts with 91** usually JBE2. Just check the part no. Also check the Information of your modules on INPA, If the FRM read by FRM_70 then it is hundered percent FRM2.

Look at my FRM on this list as a reference.



And if it is JBE2 I have a JBE3R H2 came out from 2011 E91 Manual LCI I can ship it to you. I first bought for myself and realized My E93 uses H3 and I got Master Version which supports all the L,H,V high low values. But it is the most expensive one.