[DailyDownshift]

German horsepower vs American horsepower hehe

It's kind of weird seeing my car so stock, this was filmed like 3 months ago so I've done a bunch of stuff since. Front end is so bare and awkward without a carbon lip!

[robopp]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

why is this the argument interjected on every car forum when 0-60 or 1/4 mi comparison is made. The Model 3 wasn't a contestant in this thread. Guess what the Model 3 will get spanked by a sport bike and round & round we go. There's always somebody faster. Nobody cares about a Model 3.

So why does this thread exist then? M2 is faster than a mustang and slower than a lot of other cars. Who cares?

[mckman]

The M2 is certainly faster in a straight line, although the Dark Horse has more grip and better braking. Either could win on the right track.

Mustang Dark Horse
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.1 sec
100 mph: 9.7 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.5 sec @ 115 mph
130 mph: 16.4 sec
150 mph: 23.2 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 9.4 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 8.8 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 166 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 142 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 278 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.07 g

BMW M2
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 3.9 sec
100 mph: 8.7 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.2 sec @ 118 mph
130 mph: 14.6 sec
150 mph: 21.5 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 4.6 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 7.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 6.2 sec
Top Speed (mfr's claim): 177 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 154 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 302 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 1.03 g

[cfm56d7b]

These drag race videos are the equivalent of the forbidden fruit in the automotive world.

Well done.

At some point in the future, hopeful to see the results ofYugo vs the best Honda can offer https://powerequipment.honda.com/law...dels/hrx217vka

[MT6]

Originally Posted by Carefree

You’re missing the point here Beavis. Electric vs. gasoline. The motor designs have nothing in common. Pay attention or back to high school.
BTW aspirated has only 1 “s”. Getting closer to high school…………

A real mature response

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Would've liked to see a race with automatics & closer rear end gear ratio matching like someone said.

[yuzu]

M2 would get smoked by the Rimac Nevera smh

[10"]

Originally Posted by MT6

If straight line acceleration is the KPI both the M2 & Mustang will be taken by Tesla Model 3 performance.

Model 3!!! Loooool I do take them as Ubers sometimes—-they are appliances.

Yeah a toaster can cook a grilled cheese too, but some of us like it done right in a pan.

[MT6]

Originally Posted by middyM

Wait what!?!? Electric cars are faster in a straight line than ICE cars!?

Wait what!?!? Twin Turbo is faster than NA ICE in a straight line!?

[TruthOne]

I know Sam gets a lot of negative shit from people but his videos are closer to real world results. Non professional drivers drag racing. In reality hardly anybody is going to the the Ring, Laguna seca etc and abusing the hell out their cars doing lap times. Most people are stop light or freeway racing or enjoying their car on some back road.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by MT6

If straight line acceleration is the KPI both the M2 & Mustang will be taken by Tesla Model 3 performance.

Do I want to drive a panel gap, constant recall?

[D22M2]

Drag races are so f**king stupid .

[TargaM2]

[QUOTE=MT6;30740524]Wait what!?!? Twin Turbo is faster than NA ICE in a straight line!?

One is 5.0L the other is 3.0L… does capacity not count for anything…?
For the uneducated, in most Motorsport where various induction type cars compete together in the same class a forced induction car capacity is multiplied by 1.7 to gain equality. ie 3.0L x 1.7 = 5.1L
That makes the M2 the equivalent of a 5.1L NA car. Pretty close comparison really. One is just more efficient than the other.

[ScottyK329]

I can see the zf8sp version getting a mid 3 0 to 60 and an 11.7 quarter mile in the right conditions/ surface. I believe car and driver achieved this.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by MT6

MT & RWD are the only commonalities between M2 & Mustang in this contest not much relevant for a drag

Both are also 2 doors - Coupes - GT cars. The Model 3 is not

However, I do agree that it’s stupid that every comparison is just a drag race, which is why a bunch of nobodies can now make YouTube videos of the most low effort form of racing, especially with the advent of launch control.

Boring video, regardless of the winner.

[Carefree]

I doubt many G87 buyers chose the car so they could punk a Dark Horse in a drag race. YMMV

[GabesSlowM4]

Originally Posted by Fastfwd

Not certain on this, but the more 'base' S650 (not Performance Pack) comes with pretty high gearing in the rear end. Maybe 3.15? That may only be with the EcoBoost engine. While the Performance Pack S650s can have 3.55 and/or 3.73.

So, don't be shocked if you roll up to a S650 that has 3.73s in the rear end and the outcome isn't the same as this match-up. Unless you've got the ZF8 possibly. That might make it more interesting.

Personally, I would like to have seen the automatics matched up instead of the manual cars, but I think the S650 only gets the 3.55 with the auto. So, the G87 would probably destroy it.

This is True! I have a S550 mustang GT with performance pack and the gearing of 3.73 helps out a lot. However, I still think the M2 would pull away if it was a straight drag race from a dig or roll. I understand my M4 is faster then the M2 but based on my butt dyno the S58 even detuned would win.

[MT6]

TargaM2

You bring a valid point

But the 3.0L I6 Twin Turbo has immense pull

Still I do not think it is a fair comparison to an NA V8 regardless of differences in engine displacement

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

why is this the argument interjected on every car forum when 0-60 or 1/4 mi comparison is made. The Model 3 wasn't a contestant in this thread. Guess what the Model 3 will get spanked by a sport bike and round & round we go. There's always somebody faster. Nobody cares about a Model 3.

Exactly. The only ones that care about model 3’s are model 3 owners. They are the least interest least unique cars in the world at the moment. Nothing more than regular traffic clones. The Toyota Camry of this generation.

[GabesSlowM4]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Exactly. The only ones that care about model 3’s are model 3 owners. They are the least interest least unique cars in the world at the moment. Nothing more than regular traffic clones. The Toyota Camry of this generation.

For real, had a roommates friend who is in real estate who had just gotten a model 3. At the time I only had the mustang. He kept boasting about how his car would smoke my car in a race. Well long story short he has a crush on my roommate and when her and I get in his car for a ride she goes, "it's so plain in here". After the ride she tells us that she likes the mustang more because it sounds and looks mean. She jokes, "I like looking like an a**hole when I'm in a car

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by GabesSlowM4

For real, had a roommates friend who is in real estate who had just gotten a model 3. At the time I only had the mustang. He kept boasting about how his car would smoke my car in a race. Well long story short he has a crush on my roommate and when her and I get in his car for a ride she goes, "it's so plain in here". After the ride she tells us that she likes the mustang more because it sounds and looks mean. She jokes, "I like looking like an a**hole when I'm in a car

🤣

[raannathr333]

Originally Posted by MT6

If straight line acceleration is the KPI both the M2 & Mustang will be taken by Tesla Model 3 performance.

Are we comparing microwave cooking times to ovens again? Nice.