[arkitectonix]

i dont understand the purchase of weisslicht, or any other 120+ dollar angel eyes upgrades, which simply are LED bulbs with ballasts. Wouldn't a 6000k H8 lightbulb produce very similar output and effect, granted you have xenons.

[Andy M]

I'm getting the exact same issue too. 2009 LCI sedan too.

Photos attached. Two are taken in the dark, one during the day in sunlight. Bimmian customer support has been e-mailed again.

Perhaps it's a problem with the LCI's? I'm looking at photos on other models and it looks fine for them?

[forzajuve]

Originally Posted by Andy M

I'm getting the exact same issue too. 2009 LCI sedan too.

Photos attached. Two are taken in the dark, one during the day in sunlight. Bimmian customer support has been e-mailed again.

Perhaps it's a problem with the LCI's? I'm looking at photos on other models and it looks fine for them?

Please let me know what their response is. I'm glad I'm not the only one this has happened to. What is the SKU# of the ones you got btw? I noticed that the SKU#on JLeviSW (LHUXX2WYY, mine) is different from the SKU#on Bimmian (LHU909WXY) for e90 LCI with OEM Xenons. In any case, I hope that these lights were tested on the LCIs before they were put out on the market.

[Andy M]

http://www.bimmian.com/cart/add-to-c...91;]=LHUXX2WYY
http://www.bimmian.org/product.htm?veh=XX&item=XHU

LHUXX2WYY Pair For E92,E93,E82,E60 LCI,E87 Facelift, E90 M3, E90 LCI (with OEM Xenons),E70,E71
WeissLicht Brand Ultra-Bright LED Technology

I think the SKU is correct? The SKU on mine are the same.

It doesn't look bad in the dark...it could also just be that the white is the same spectrum as natural light so you can't see it very clearly in the daylight unless you're at a certain angle.

The bulbs are the same ones as the E92: the Y-shaped arms with LED's attached to it. It could be that the arms never really opened up?

[forzajuve]

I think the SKU is correct? The SKU on mine are the same.

Yeah, my SKU is the same as yours. The thing is, Bimmian sells the LHU909WXYs and says these are for the e90 LCIs w/OEM Xenons too.

It doesn't look bad in the dark...it could also just be that the white is the same spectrum as natural light so you can't see it very clearly in the daylight unless you're at a certain angle.

IMO, the brightness contrast between the inner and outer rings should be minimal (like the OEMs) especially at night.

The bulbs are the same ones as the E92: the Y-shaped arms with LED's attached to it. It could be that the arms never really opened up?

I just checked this morning - the arms are fully extended outwards. Btw - how long did it take you to install? It was such a hassle for me - had to take out some parts.

[Andy M]

Originally Posted by forzajuve

Yeah, my SKU is the same as yours. The thing is, Bimmian sells the LHU909WXYs and says these are for the e90 LCIs w/OEM Xenons too.



IMO, the brightness contrast between the inner and outer rings should be minimal (like the OEMs) especially at night.



I just checked this morning - the arms are fully extended outwards. Btw - how long did it take you to install? It was such a hassle for me - had to take out some parts.

Originally Posted by forzajuve

Yeah, my SKU is the same as yours. The thing is, Bimmian sells the LHU909WXYs and says these are for the e90 LCIs w/OEM Xenons too.

IMO, the brightness contrast between the inner and outer rings should be minimal (like the OEMs) especially at night.

I just checked this morning - the arms are fully extended outwards. Btw - how long did it take you to install? It was such a hassle for me - had to take out some parts.

Good question with the SKU. Hopefully Nick can answer this one.

I just read on the 1 series forum a post that Nick wrote. He said something about how the arms are to extend so they come in contact with the fiber optics that light up the rings. He said something along the lines of "you must wiggle it around and you'll get it after some time trying". I tried wiggling it around in -27 degree C weather last night. It didn't seem to work? Nick, any tips?

And yeah, this was NOT the "easy" install that was advertised to be. I actually didn't take any parts off (just the covering cap) and I was able to get it in by just feeling where the socket is and using a flashlight. Still took at least an hour and ended up with a bunch of small cuts and scrapes on my hand. I think the next time what I'd do is use one of those wooden coffee cup stir stick and use it as a guide for where the socket is. Then just follow the stick and feel my way in.

What confuses me even more now is that one of the installation pdf's on the Weisslicht website is a link to Bimmian...for their Predator ICE lights.

[arkitectonix]

it seems as if the weisslicht is a very misleading product, especially for those with the LCI. I can't see why JLevi, who pioneered and started off with BMW lighting can support such a product. It reminds me of when JLevi and **********s went into dispute, where JLevi claimed one E46 hood company ( I believe was ATR) was far superior to Vorsteiner. Then a year later, JLevi made a whole song and dance about how much better Vorsteiner was. I predict the fall of the Weisslicht, just as much as those fake-ass blue interior bulbs bimmian used to sell, pretending they were the "brightest interior lighting mod"

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by arkitectonix

it seems as if the weisslicht is a very misleading product, especially for those with the LCI. I can't see why JLevi, who pioneered and started off with BMW lighting can support such a product. It reminds me of when JLevi and **********s went into dispute, where JLevi claimed one E46 hood company ( I believe was ATR) was far superior to Vorsteiner. Then a year later, JLevi made a whole song and dance about how much better Vorsteiner was. I predict the fall of the Weisslicht, just as much as those fake-ass blue interior bulbs bimmian used to sell, pretending they were the "brightest interior lighting mod"

Thanks for the constructive criticism. Let me interject.

I don't recall us ever claiming that ATR products were "superior" to Vorsteiner as we had never really gotten a chance to see Vorsteiner's products up close, except for the M3 front splitters, which did have some quality issues and were discontinued shortly thereafter. Admittedly, we flubbed up on ATR, and heck, we may have even made some false claims about it's superior quality. For that, we take full responsibility. We eventually found that the quality of the production product was nowhere near the quality of the samples we were received. That was our mistake, and we've had to accept it as such.

In our defense, once we realized the poor quality of ATR, we dropped them, swiftly and without exception, and went straight to Vorsteiner to explain ourselves. We let them know that we wanted to sell only the top quality product, and they took us on as a dealer. We haven't looked back since - in fact, we even gave some people full credit for their ATR products, to be used towards their much superior Vorsteiner counterparts. Don't believe me? Ask Russ over at E46Fanatics.

As for Weisslicht, I'm actually very surprised to hear negative reviews. For weeks, Nick and I have been receiving forum posts, phone calls, and emails raving about the superior quality of the product compared to RD and MyCarr. In our minds, this product has been a huge success - both in sales and in customer satisfaction.

However, this is not to say that it couldn't be improved! On that note, we are very interested to hear your constructive criticisms and suggestions, and since we actually have a say in the product development of all Weisslicht products, you can rest assured that your suggestions will be taken to heart and seriously considered.

As for the installation being difficult, I know, it's a tight squeeze to get in there. If you have big man-hands like me, it's very tricky. This is why we provide that clamp wrench for the E92 version - hopefully that should make it easier. Unfortunately we cannot control the difficulty of install, because it is primarily due to the funny angle and very small gap

Bottom line: We aim for 100% customer satisfaction, and always take to heart any recommendations on how we can attain that goal.

Thanks very much for this opportunity
JL

Edit: Also, the interior xenon bulbs we sell are still considered one of our best selling products, and the original halogen ones far outshine the competition. Just wait till you see Bimmian's new LED version. It's going to knock your socks off.

[Andy M]

Nick, I believe that you've had much success on the Weisslicht LED angel eyes since people on other forums like the 1 series forum are reporting good things (such as brighter than the RD's, better distribution, etc). And the bulb is really bright when not installed into the gasket (i.e. when I tested it I saw how bright it was).

Problem is...I can't replicate the quality seen on the other models for the Weisslicht on the E90 LCI. Maybe it works on the E90 non-LCI and E92 but can you tell us what we're doing wrong on the install for the E90 LCI? Better yet, do you have a photo you can show us of them working on the E90 LCI?

The LCI is quite a bit different from previous E90's and E92's. When I removed the bumper, I was following along some tutorials and there were extra steps needed for the LCI (e.g. since the turn indicators are now LCD, there is a new panel inside the front wheel wells for access to this LCD. Removing these first makes the removal of the bumper easier - something not noted in any tutorial).

Can you please let us know what's wrong with our installation for the E90 LCI and a possible fix? Thanks.

[arkitectonix]

Jon, my real criticism with the weisslicht upgrade is that it's a very poor attempt in producing what those with E46 have achieved: The 60 LED angel eyes ( Predator Orion v2). The Weisslicht for the E90 LCI is not even close to the crisp and clearness compared to the Orions. Developers like yourself have had ample time to invent an LED product for the LCI, considering the leap from CCFL to LED angel eyes had occurred years ago.

Secondly, could you please explain the purpose of having to purchase LED bulbs with a ballast, while you can simply purchase H8 bulbs of 6000k color? I understand the butterfly-like mechanism you incorporated, but it fails miserably, after having seen it lit up in person.

[SoCali E36]

I am sooo tempted to buy this for my PRE LCI. Do you have pix of the blue and red on the pre lci as well?

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by SoCali E90

I am sooo tempted to buy this for my PRE LCI. Do you have pix of the blue and red on the pre lci as well?

uhh don't think it'll fit.

[Andy M]

I found the problem with Weisslicht LED's for the E90 LCI. It's a design problem. I'm talking to Bimmian now to hopefully get a refund back. This product will probably work great for the E92 since the design is different (but will use the same bulb).

[forzajuve]

Originally Posted by Andy M

I found the problem with Weisslicht LED's for the E90 LCI. It's a design problem. I'm talking to Bimmian now to hopefully get a refund back. This product will probably work great for the E92 since the design is different (but will use the same bulb).

ASSUMING..that Bimmian has confirmed that this is indeed a product defect, I must say....

JLeviSW - how can you endorse such a PoS product? I am utterly disappointed...I thought you guys knew what you were doing.

I suggest you do the e90post community a favor and alert those (i.e., e90 LCI owners) that you have deceived. The defect itself might not be your fault, but if you are reselling a product - yet alone announcing it all over the forums like it's the second coming of christ in the world of LED halos - with such a conspicuous defect without even performing simple due diligence as testing it out on the latest car model (i.e., e90 LCIs), then I no longer have faith in your business.

As arkitectonix has correctly stated: the demise of Weisslicht might be near.

Again...everything above is ASSUMING that Bimmian has confirmed that this is indeed a design defect.

[Andy M]

Well I don't want to bash JLeviSW cause he has been very helpful and he is doing his job. Plus admittedly, these would be very nice on a non-LCI and E92.

However, I basically looked at how it works, figured out what the OEM bulb does, did some comparisons and I realized the design is flawed. I would need to look at an E90 non-LCI and an E92 to confirm it completely but I'm fairly certain now of a flawed design.

I was speaking with another member who knows a lot about lighting and they've mentioned of a design change in the LCI which uses reflectors to get the light to the rings.

I've even tested this theory out using a Surefire tactical flashlight (two actually, one general beam and one directional weaponslight) and used a dental mirror to mock up the light source. I'm actually pretty certain it's a design oversight now.

I do want to defend JleviSW though that he IS doing his job and if this was in an E92 or another vehicle, it would be superior of the RD's. However, I don't believe that it was tested properly on the LCI now that I see how the design works. And LED's are superior to 6000k bulbs unless you're just going for the color. LED's often appear brighter and cleaner than halogens. But the biggest draw is the lifespan. The burn time for a high output halogen (e.g. Silvania Silverstars) that output something like 1750 lumens will last only about 350 to 700 hours. A long life halogen that outputs maybe 1400 lumens or less will last a little over 1000 hours. LED's last around 50,000 hours. You'll go through at least 100 halogen bulbs in the lifespan of an LED.

I'm hoping someone from Bimmian or JLeviSW can be of some help. And then I'm hoping that there will be some good customer service from Bimmian in terms of this design too (I've even sent them a report of the tests I've done to conclude that something is wrong with the design for the LCI's...again I will need to see an E90 non-LCI and E92 to confirm my findings).

I won't reveal exactly what is flawed with the design for the LCI until Bimmian gets a chance to respond. I'm hoping to have someone call me tomorrow to discuss in more detail.

[SV Concepts]

You guys are absolutely right here, there is an issue that has slipped through the cracks here.

Don't worry guys. We're going to make it right. Just need to speak to the folks in charge of Weisslicht, and we'll find a solution, be it replacement product or a full refund.

In the meantime, how about you guys stop your witch hunt. We always make it right. Arkitectonix and forzajuv, I know you guys are getting a lot of satisfaction out of fussing and proclaiming the "demise" of our product and our company, but it's just not productive, nor is it called for. Everyone makes mistakes, and oversights - the difference is that ours are broadcast on the internet - which is fine.

Do you think that you guys bashing on us makes us more inclined to help? Not at all. We'll make it right. Sit tight.

[arkitectonix]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

You guys are absolutely right here, there is an issue that has slipped through the cracks here.

Don't worry guys. We're going to make it right. Just need to speak to the folks in charge of Weisslicht, and we'll find a solution, be it replacement product or a full refund.

In the meantime, how about you guys stop your witch hunt. We always make it right. Arkitectonix and forzajuv, I know you guys are getting a lot of satisfaction out of fussing and proclaiming the "demise" of our product and our company, but it's just not productive, nor is it called for. Everyone makes mistakes, and oversights - the difference is that ours are broadcast on the internet - which is fine.

Do you think that you guys bashing on us makes us more inclined to help? Not at all. We'll make it right. Sit tight.

how about a refund of an hour and half, figuring out and having to unbolt several brackets to get my hands to fit, only to have to re-do it because the product is a failure. I missed Jersey Shore on MTV, because of this underestimated install-time. I heard Snooki got clocked in the face in the preview for the next episode. I am out a couple of laughter... Care to reimburse those laughter as well?

[forzajuve]

...I know you guys are getting a lot of satisfaction out of fussing and proclaiming the "demise" of our product and our company,...

Never said the "demise" of your company, i.e., JLeviSW, but rather just Weisslicht. Unless Weisslicht and Bimmian are your related companies.

[dt_328xi]

Does anyone know if the lights work on the LCI Halogen headlights? I just purchased these lights, but have not received them. If they don't work (i.e. one of the halos is not lit up) can I get a full refund?

I've purchased other products from Jlevi and they have been great quality and have had 0 issues.

[SV Concepts III]

Originally Posted by dt_328xi

Does anyone know if the lights work on the LCI Halogen headlights? I just purchased these lights, but have not received them. If they don't work (i.e. one of the halos is not lit up) can I get a full refund?

I've purchased other products from Jlevi and they have been great quality and have had 0 issues.

They do work on the halogen headlights, here are photos of the installed piece:

[dt_328xi]

So installed the passenger side WeissLicht LED angel eyes and took some comparison pictures outside my garage. So far the lights look great. I am going to see what they look like during the day tomorrow and post some more pics.


Both Pics with Camera Set to F2.8 1/20 seconds


Both Pics with Camera set to F2.8 1/60 seconds

And Here are some pics of both lights







For some reason they look almost white up close, but blueish from a distance.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

uhh don't think it'll fit.

Im pretty sure this is what the vendor put up as advertised

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

As promised, the Weisslicht for E90 Pre-LCI, confirmed to be SIGNIFICANTLY BRIGHTER than OEM: