Map 7 or Map 5: E85 Question

Lifted07Duramax · 05-28-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tjobeid

Correct me if i am wrong, but from what i have been reading. 275 is average stock. intake and exhaust will bring it up to about 300whp JB4 chip bring its up another 40-5ohp so about 350 to the wheels, the downpipes and intercooler give lets say another 30 for both. This should be about right.

If that is the case then what mods are guys running where they hit 400? And then 440s

Marcadelic · 05-28-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lifted07Duramax

If that is the case then what mods are guys running where they hit 400? And then 440s

aggressive tunes, e85 and meth are usually what put stock turbo's over 400whp

tjobeid · 05-28-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcadelic

aggressive tunes, e85 and meth are usually what put stock turbo's over 400whp

i think they said no meth. What aggressive tune besides map 5 with a mix of 50 %e85 and 50%93 can you do ?

What exactly is the BMS Flash?

Pete Schweaty · 05-28-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tjobeid

i think they said no meth. What aggressive tune besides map 5 with a mix of 50 %e85 and 50%93 can you do ?

What exactly is the BMS Flash?

You can easily hit 400 with intake, DPs, tune, and e85. No meth necessary.

The BMS flash is a DME flash that is installed via Cobb AP in addition to your JB4. It allows larger turbos and higher mixes of e85.

tjobeid · 05-28-2013, 07:03 PM

sorry i am knew to this, what is a DME flash and if you have stock turbos does it benefit in any other way other than running higher percentage of e85??

Pete Schweaty · 05-28-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tjobeid

sorry i am knew to this, what is a DME flash and if you have stock turbos does it benefit in any other way other than running higher percentage of e85??

Not 100% sure if it is needed. Someone with a little more knowledge will have to handle that one. You can email Burger Tuning if you need a detailed answer.

MasterWang · 05-28-2013, 07:37 PM

I ONLY have the Jb4 G5 ISO and DCI...no flash or upgraded fuel pump.
With 50% e85 I'm at 400hp and about 420tq.

Terry actually suggested that I run a bit more e85...so if I do about 60% e85 and 91 (don't have 93 here), am I able to run map 7? I would log my runs to see how its running, but is it even safe to try it with my mods?

Lifted07Duramax · 05-28-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterWang

I ONLY have the Jb4 G5 ISO and DCI...no flash or upgraded fuel pump.
With 50% e85 I'm at 400hp and about 420tq.

Terry actually suggested that I run a bit more e85...so if I do about 60% e85 and 91 (don't have 93 here), am I able to run map 7? I would log my runs to see how its running, but is it even safe to try it with my mods?

Hmm so does this mean with me being FBO and a JB4 running 50/50 E85 that I should be around 430?

Stucks · 05-28-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcadelic

he said his friend has a 335i with a tune and upgraded injectors

oh rearrrry? lol.

Marcadelic · 05-28-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stucks

oh rearrrry? lol.

Just quoting him lol, I told him we didnt have those lol

Didnt get to run the sti but I ran a srt-8 300 and walked it hard, another 335i running jb4 g5 map 5 with dp's and intake and we were pretty even till around 100 when I started pulling on him. My guess is I'm pulling timing the the g4 board is holding me back a bit but it's hard to tell with no USB cable

Also raced a supra with what seemed to be around 1000whp, I actually got a great launch off but he pulled the shit outa me after I hit 40 lol

tjobeid · 05-29-2013, 02:23 AM

i just updated to iso22 on my jb4, do i need to open it and cut the two diodes? anyone know? it added setting menue 10 and 11 which are suppose to be lag fix but i have no idea what to set them at.

BTW awesome job on kicking the srt8 butt those things are fast.

busky2k · 05-29-2013, 04:18 AM

Yes if you are running ISO firmware, the diodes must be cut.

I would start with 40/60 E85/pump and log from there and up the ethanol only if the trims, fuel pressure and AFRs are good.

FRMTL2_335i · 05-29-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lifted07Duramax

What other mods? I thought E85 mix on map 5 was usually low 400s

In a dynojet I'm well over 400!!! Mustang dynos read about 11% lower since they use sae corrections.

FRMTL2_335i · 05-29-2013, 08:59 AM

I'm hoping to be over 400whp after I install my intercooler!!!!

Bstone · 05-29-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tjobeid

i just updated to iso22 on my jb4, do i need to open it and cut the two diodes? anyone know? it added setting menue 10 and 11 which are suppose to be lag fix but i have no idea what to set them at.

BTW awesome job on kicking the srt8 butt those things are fast.

If it allowed you to get to menu 10 and 11 on the dash then I believe that means your diodes are already cut.

Bstone · 05-29-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterWang

I ONLY have the Jb4 G5 ISO and DCI...no flash or upgraded fuel pump.
With 50% e85 I'm at 400hp and about 420tq.

Terry actually suggested that I run a bit more e85...so if I do about 60% e85 and 91 (don't have 93 here), am I able to run map 7? I would log my runs to see how its running, but is it even safe to try it with my mods?

Terry suggested running more than 50% e85 without the flash or upgraded fuel pump? That doesn't sound right.

MasterWang · 05-29-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bstone1989

Terry suggested running more than 50% e85 without the flash or upgraded fuel pump? That doesn't sound right.

Yeah he said I could stay at 50% or up the mix a bit since my timing drops close to redline. Here is my 50% log on map 5.

I emailed him asking if its safe for me to try map 7
I will post his response once I get it.

09BMW335i · 05-29-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lifted07Duramax

What other mods? I thought E85 mix on map 5 was usually low 400s

i was thinking the same thing. You should be in the 400's all day long. I myself with the following mods
jb4 map 5
40/60 blend E85
DP
LPFP
FMIC
im in the 420-430 range

FRMTL2_335i · 05-29-2013, 01:08 PM

How could u guys say I'm at "about 400" or what not?
Guess what I thought I was too but never claimed it to be so, especially after runnung a ws6 fully built. He made 421whp in a MUSTANG dyno.
I was at e40 n 93 running map 5.
40 rolls I spun a lot n he would get me by like a car length by 130mph
60 rolls it was pretty much dead even, he prob was a bumper ahead of me.
Now his car is at 3500lbs + him
I was at what 3650lbs and my gf n I in the car.

All my friends were saying I was at 420whp at least! Well we were all wrong.
I see ppl posting their dyno sheets in here with a few mods n some corn making over 400whp, but u all need to realize n see those were done in DYNOJET dynos!!!! NOT mustang dynos!

If u don't know the difference then Google it.

MasterWang · 05-29-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FRMTL2_335i

How could u guys say I'm at "about 400" or what not?
Guess what I thought I was too but never claimed it to be so, especially after runnung a ws6 fully built. He made 421whp in a MUSTANG dyno.
I was at e40 n 93 running map 5.
40 rolls I spun a lot n he would get me by like a car length by 130mph
60 rolls it was pretty much dead even, he prob was a bumper ahead of me.
Now his car is at 3500lbs + him
I was at what 3650lbs and my gf n I in the car.

All my friends were saying I was at 420whp at least! Well we were all wrong.
I see ppl posting their dyno sheets in here with a few mods n some corn making over 400whp, but u all need to realize n see those were done in DYNOJET dynos!!!! NOT mustang dynos!

If u don't know the difference then Google it.

When people post their dyno numbers, I just assume they're dynojet dynos.
Most people who post mustang dyno numbers mention that it was on a munstang dyno.

MasterWang · 05-29-2013, 01:31 PM

Regarding my high percentage e85 mix on stock pump and without flash..

"You then monitor fuel trims and fuel pressure, to see if the car can
tolerate such a mix, without our flash or fuel pump upgrade."

Regarding map5 vs map7 with e85.

"Normally map 7 always requires the flash for E85 use."

robc1976 · 05-29-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

if you experiment is imperative to LOG! you cant just assume the car feels fine.

most important thing and very true.

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tjobeid Banned 58 Rep 558 Posts Drives: 2007 335i coupe Join Date: May 2013 Location: houston,tx iTrader: (1)	sorry i am knew to this, what is a DME flash and if you have stock turbos does it benefit in any other way other than running higher percentage of e85??
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MasterWang Captain 137 Rep 926 Posts Drives: F06 M6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Overland Park, KS iTrader: (2)	I ONLY have the Jb4 G5 ISO and DCI...no flash or upgraded fuel pump. With 50% e85 I'm at 400hp and about 420tq. Terry actually suggested that I run a bit more e85...so if I do about 60% e85 and 91 (don't have 93 here), am I able to run map 7? I would log my runs to see how its running, but is it even safe to try it with my mods?
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FRMTL2_335i Major 76 Rep 1,071 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: ohio iTrader: (1)	How could u guys say I'm at "about 400" or what not? Guess what I thought I was too but never claimed it to be so, especially after runnung a ws6 fully built. He made 421whp in a MUSTANG dyno. I was at e40 n 93 running map 5. 40 rolls I spun a lot n he would get me by like a car length by 130mph 60 rolls it was pretty much dead even, he prob was a bumper ahead of me. Now his car is at 3500lbs + him I was at what 3650lbs and my gf n I in the car. All my friends were saying I was at 420whp at least! Well we were all wrong. I see ppl posting their dyno sheets in here with a few mods n some corn making over 400whp, but u all need to realize n see those were done in DYNOJET dynos!!!! NOT mustang dynos! If u don't know the difference then Google it. __________________ FFTEC 6466 Gen2, MHD Flash Tuned by Wedge, BMS PI Kit, FUEL-IT Stg 3 pump, HALTECH PS-1000, MFactory LSD w/lock down brace, ECS Trailing Arms, M3 control arms, M3 brace, DGR Coilovers, N20 tmap sensor, BMS OCC, VRSF exhaust w/4" tips, VRSF CP, Tial BOV. BigTom FMIC, Msport front & rear, m3 sides skirts.
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MasterWang Captain 137 Rep 926 Posts Drives: F06 M6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Overland Park, KS iTrader: (2)	Regarding my high percentage e85 mix on stock pump and without flash.. "You then monitor fuel trims and fuel pressure, to see if the car can tolerate such a mix, without our flash or fuel pump upgrade." Regarding map5 vs map7 with e85. "Normally map 7 always requires the flash for E85 use."
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