[LACA335i]

Originally Posted by DrGP

I refuse to buy ANY Citgo products due to their ownership by the Venezuelan government. As you may or may not be aware, the President of Venezuelan Hugo Chavez is Communist dictator. HE HATES America and is not shy about his dislike. He recently had his bid to become "President for Life" narrowly defeated 51% to 49%. It would not be a surprise if he would again make an attempt to become "President for life". He has also made threats to cut of all Venezuelan Oil to the US as a means to hurt the US economy and raise oil prices. I am not a political expert, but I, also with many others, refuse to buy Citgo products. I have read that in light of the situation, many others are also boycotting Citgo products. In response, Citgo is contemplating a name change on their gasoline service stations. I won't tell anyone what products to buy. Just saying what I and others are doing and why.

why would you buy gas from citgo.. that gas is crappy stuffs. i feel sorry for your car if u pump it

[Majikthese42]

Originally Posted by Munich_Menace

then get out of IRAQ and Afghanistan

So when can we get out of Germany? It's not like the Rooskies are likely to roll their tanks through your living room. If their tanks can even start now.

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

F*CK CITGO... I will never pump a gallon of their fuel into my car. :finger:

You might, anyway! Gasoline is a fungible commodity. If you look at the US interstate gasoline pipeline transportation system, Citgo may put gasoline into the pipeline that your local Exxon distributor takes out.

I avoid Citgo stations because the way they were adjusting their prices during the gasoline shortage and in its aftermath suggested that they were either lazy or didn't know what the hell they were doing -- they were dropping prices while the NYMEX price was going up, and raising prices while the NYMEX price was going down. I hope they pay more attention to brewing gasoline, since we all need to buy what comes out of the pipeline.

BTW Venezuela has a per-capita GDP of $7200 vs the US $43,800. It's a poor country.

If Chavez's electorate ever saw the lifestyles the people he was giving free heating oil to are leading, his head would be mounted on a pike in no time.

[Bimmer335i]

Originally Posted by Munich_Menace

Didn't Chavez "donated" tons of heating oil/gas to the poor community of New Orleans after Katrina; while your administration abandoned them Bush ruined the States

True, but you should know that it's just a ploy by Chavez to win sympathy from the poor Amercicans and other poor peoples in South and Central America. This is one of the reasons why he almost won a referandum to be president for life in Venezuela, an obvious totalitarian act just to solidify his own interests. Fortunately the Venezuelan people are smarter than he thought so he was defeated. Trust me, what Bush did or didn't do for Katrina victims was unacceptable but we still have one of the better demorcracies in the world.

[urnuts]

I live in New Hampshire and there's this guy named Joe Kennedy (probably related to that fat ass communist Teddy) from Massachusetts that has an organization called "Citizen's for Energy".
Their new ad states "Citgo is donating millions of gallons to help keep the poor warm this winter... Citgo, owned by the Venezuelan people, have been kind enough....." Owned by the Venezuelan people? Oh, ok.

[Aija]

This thread will greatly enchance my information about the E92 BMW

[urnuts]

Originally Posted by Munich_Menace

Didn't Chavez "donated" tons of heating oil/gas to the poor community of New Orleans after Katrina; while your administration abandoned them Bush ruined the States

And start watching Fox.
Bush made some mistakes in the Katrina aftermath, no doubt, but I have little sympathy for many (not all) of the NO residents.

[urnuts]

Originally Posted by Aija

This thread will greatly enchance my information about the E92 BMW

Let this one go. I apologize.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Aija

This thread will greatly enchance my information about the E92 BMW

Actually Hugo Chavez has a TIAG E92 with a 6 Speed and Sport Pack and is thinking of getting the Dinan update.

He has been lurking here for a few weeks but may starting posting as "commiedictator"

Oh yeah - Leatherette interior.

[fedinand]

Originally Posted by urnuts

And start watching Fox.
Bush made some mistakes in the Katrina aftermath, no doubt, but I have little sympathy for many (not all) of the NO residents.

Fair and balanced
Yup, sounds like you watch Fox News

[lkn]

feel sorry for those who work at citgo gas stations.

[Aija]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Actually Hugo Chavez has a TIAG E92 with a 6 Speed and Sport Pack and is thinking of getting the Dinan update.

He has been lurking here for a few weeks but may starting posting as "commiedictator"

Oh yeah - Leatherette interior.

Really?
I heard he was just about to place an order on a E92 335 but couldnt decide whether he wanted Coral red or Black interior....

then...

he got stuck with auto vs. manual...

[Majikthese42]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Actually Hugo Chavez has a TIAG E92 with a 6 Speed and Sport Pack and is thinking of getting the Dinan update.

One advantage to living under a dictatorship...

BMW Venezuela offers the "BMW Individual" program.

http://www.bmw.com.ve/ve/es/index.html

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Aija

Really?
I heard he was just about to place an order on a E92 335 but couldnt decide whether he wanted Coral red or Black interior....

then...

he got stuck with auto vs. manual...

Personally I don't understand why any communist would drive a BMW with an automatic transmission.

Wait till he gets to the IDrive/No IDrive threads.

Or the "Should I replace the RFTs?" threads.

He'll get so confused he'll go vistit his buddy Fidel and come back home with a 56 Plymouth Blevedere.

[jhilsinho]

With the information you kids have about international politics, you couldn't even buy a piece of bread in the slums of South Africa if your knowledge lets say, ws something valued in any currency whatsoever.

Wake UP people. You ARE in the matrix, and everything you see on the news, is pre-fabricated. about life!!!

[sparkyg]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Hmm, tough choice. Buy from Saudi Arabia which is no where near being a democracy (and many within probably support terrorism) or buy from Putin (democratically elected in name only) controlled Russia which is moving towards fascism. Or buy from Chavez. What to do?

Buy Cdn oil. That whole Global warming thing is a hoax

[DrGP]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Hmm, tough choice. Buy from Saudi Arabia which is no where near being a democracy (and many within probably support terrorism) or buy from Putin (democratically elected in name only) controlled Russia which is moving towards fascism. Or buy from Chavez. What to do?

There are some oil companies that use strictly US produced oil. Hess is one but there are others

[majin ssj eric]

How come when we are talking about undisputed communist dictators like that little punk Chavez all the libs can do is start trashing Bush? Regardless of your political stance, Chavez is a fascist and should be opposed. Period. It has nothing to do with the current administration. Same thing with Iran's idiot President, Ahkmadinpaojertpjopsdfmgolamk'gklmjihad, or however the hell you spell his name! Just because you can't stand the fact that Bush got over on you (TWICE) doesn't mean that Chavez is a great guy......

[liliej]

Bush didn't get over on me. I didn't vote for him.

It's all the idiotic voters that respond to soundbites and fear tactics that were "gotten over on". Oh yeah... no other U.S. administration has been as "totalitarian" as the current one, so it would appear that we're actually getting closer to Chavez as a result of Bush's ignorance and arrogance.

[Majikthese42]

Originally Posted by DrGP

There are some oil companies that use strictly US produced oil. Hess is one but there are others

Apparently an "Urban Legend". Hess refines and sells what it gets. It doesn't have any exploration and drilling facilities in the middle east. So it doesn't seem to use much middle east oil. It does not exclusively use US crude. It would be difficult to, considering how much we need to import.

Crude oil is a fungible commodity. Once it hits the distribution system, there's almost no way to know where it came from.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/hess.asp

Hess has a refinery on St. Croix that is a joint venture with the Venezuelan state oil company. (This was actually a pretty smart move on Hess's part -- Chavez can't nationalize a refinery that's on US soil.)

http://www.hess.com/rm/refining.htm

Originally Posted by Hess Corporation

HOVENSA, a joint venture between a subsidiary of Hess Corporation and a subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) operates a world-class merchant refinery in St Croix, USVI. The facility is one of the most modern refineries in the United States and, with crude oil processing capacity of 495,000 barrels per day (BPD), is one of the largest in the world.

For the record, I don't buy Hess gasoline, either. This has nothing to do with politics. In the pre-knock sensor days, it just seemed to make my high-compression engines "ping" more than other brands.

[Jaws]

Originally Posted by DrGP

There are some oil companies that use strictly US produced oil. Hess is one but there are others

Never heard of Hess and I'm the oil biz.

Edit: just did some research on Hess. Operations in Russia, Libya, Indonesia, etc. Doesn't sound like baseball and apple pie to me. Bottom line is that Venezuala is not a military threat and there are "worse" countries from which the west is buying oil. It seems that Chavez knows how to push the Bush administration's buttons.

There aren't many companies who own the production, transportation, refining and marketing ends of the business and just because they might own all the infrastructure, it is not a closed system. North America is one big pipeline grid in which various systems tie into one another. As another poster mentioned, oil is impossible to track once it gets into the system.

[DrGP]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Never heard of Hess and I'm the oil biz.

Edit: just did some research on Hess. Operations in Russia, Libya, Indonesia, etc. Doesn't sound like baseball and apple pie to me. Bottom line is that Venezuala is not a military threat and there are "worse" countries from which the west is buying oil. It seems that Chavez knows how to push the Bush administration's buttons.

There aren't many companies who own the production, transportation, refining and marketing ends of the business and just because they might own all the infrastructure, it is not a closed system. North America is one big pipeline grid in which various systems tie into one another. As another poster mentioned, oil is impossible to track once it gets into the system.

Previous owner, Adolph Hess(deceased) Owned the NY Jets

[Ewing]

Originally Posted by Jaws

Hmm, tough choice. Buy from Saudi Arabia which is no where near being a democracy (and many within probably support terrorism) or buy from Putin (democratically elected in name only) controlled Russia which is moving towards fascism. Or buy from Chavez. What to do?

+111111111111111111111111111111111111

We americans love to pick and choose morality. Women can't even drive THERE, 75% of the 9/11 hijackers came from THERE, we buy more oil from THERE, they support terrorism THERE, they're longtime Bush family friends, and we're all in a huff & puff over Hugo Chavez? No wonder our reputation is in the crapper and no one believes a word we say since we pick and choose which bad guys are OUR bad guys and which ones we don't like since they don't play ball with us...