[savyboy]

Got mine flashed last week at one of Dinan's shops.

Not only is the power increase noticeable, but there are three other differences:

1. Something is different about the exhaust note. I think they reprogrammed when the cut-out to the second pipe actuates. The car is now louder at lower speeds and RPM's.
2. It runs cooler under load. The temp gauge does not go as high when I am enjoying some boost-intensive windy roads.
3. The "lag and jerk" I sometimes experienced when taking off from a stop is gone. My car is automatic transmission, and this neck snapping lag that happened several times a day sucked. It has not done it once since the flash.

Look, the car was a rocketship before the flash, now it is really hard to find an opportunity to dig deep into the boost without drawing unwanted attention.

It is expensive, but I am happy with the value provided.

PS- The BMW warranty worries are groundless. All warranty is done by the dealer. Who pays, Dinan or BMW, is transparent to the car owner. It just is not an issue.

If you want the safest, best engineered boost increasing solution, the Dinan is currently your choice. Especially as it tweaks and improves some things other solutions don't or can't.

[Bubbles]

I have also noticed an increased in exhaust note after the flash, maybe due to the turbos creating more boost? It sounds like the golf-tee mod.

[Kelvin1000]

Originally Posted by savyboy

Got mine flashed last week at one of Dinan's shops.

Not only is the power increase noticeable, but there are three other differences:

1. Something is different about the exhaust note. I think they reprogrammed when the cut-out to the second pipe actuates. The car is now louder at lower speeds and RPM's.
2. It runs cooler under load. The temp gauge does not go as high when I am enjoying some boost-intensive windy roads.
3. The "lag and jerk" I sometimes experienced when taking off from a stop is gone. My car is automatic transmission, and this neck snapping lag that happened several times a day sucked. It has not done it once since the flash.

Look, the car was a rocketship before the flash, now it is really hard to find an opportunity to dig deep into the boost without drawing unwanted attention.

It is expensive, but I am happy with the value provided.

PS- The BMW warranty worries are groundless. All warranty is done by the dealer. Who pays, Dinan or BMW, is transparent to the car owner. It just is not an issue.

If you want the safest, best engineered boost increasing solution, the Dinan is currently your choice. Especially as it tweaks and improves some things other solutions don't or can't.

I notice that jerkiness as well and I am glad they were able to smooth it out. It almost sounds like the car is performing as it should have from factory.

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

I'm sure there will be plenty of throttle response at all Rpm's. Congrats, my guess it's the best software upgrade out there.

Based on these forums, and my experience with my last car - 2005 E46 M3.

[vase330]

Are you saying the car had no increase down low from the Dinan? I don't drive my car with the pedal at 80% I drive mostly in the 20%-70% range, so I want to feel it there. If there is nothing there, then the Dinan is almost pointless. I thought Shiv was a just a little spoilt when he said you have to go 70% before noticing any punch from the flash, now I am thinking he was probably right, and who knows, maybe the Dinan is really not all that nice. I want to catapult out of a light from a dead stop, not just drive out of it. Dinan guys please enlighten us. I want a car that feels really wild with a little provocation.

[Orb]

Originally Posted by vase330

Are you saying the car had no increase down low from the Dinan? I don't drive my car with the pedal at 80% I drive mostly in the 20%-70% range, so I want to feel it there. If there is nothing there, then the Dinan is almost pointless. I thought Shiv was a just a little spoilt when he said you have to go 70% before noticing any punch from the flash, now I am thinking he was probably right, and who knows, maybe the Dinan is really not all that nice. I want to catapult out of a light from a dead stop, not just drive out of it. Dinan guys please enlighten us. I want a car that feels really wild with a little provocation.

What kind person listens to a review from a vendor who is competing against that product? Not one Dinan user agreed with Shiv about his statement because it is just not the case. How many hours has Shiv put in stock car of late as well which is not many because he to busy and might be a little worried about the amount of PROcede up for sale these days. Why would Dinan design a throttle response and power delivery that was poor when they don’t have to? Obviously, they wanted to tune the product so it enjoyable to the end user which they done a very good job at. Use a bit of common sense!



Orb

[vase330]

I have been exploring all the Tunes on here, but have not felt much comfort with any of them yet due to various issues. IMO reliable objective opinions are lacking on here. Maybe the Proceed crowd is a little louder and ofcourse it does make one wonder. I never said Shiv spoke gospel truth about the Dinan, but I have read a few Dinan guys saying most of the power is up top. That to me sounds like the range I am not so often in. So ofcourse I want something with more low end where I am 90% of the time. So what you should have done instead of yelling at me, is tell me what you think. Do you feel a drastic difference down low. I don't mean smoothness, I mean powerwise. Thanks for your opinion, I need this, so I can make up my mind about what to get this weekend.

[x26]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Congrats to the OP!
I just called a dealer to get some prices.

1999 for the flash
156 for tax
140 for an hour of labor

Total price is $2294!
No thank you.

Being able to Return for Service and/or Warranty Work:

"Priceless"...

[x26]

Originally Posted by Orb

What kind person listens to a review from a vendor who is competing against that product? Not one Dinan user agreed with Shiv about his statement because it is just not the case. How many hours has Shiv put in stock car of late as well which is not many because he to busy and might be a little worried about the amount of PROcede up for sale these days. Why would Dinan design a throttle response and power delivery that was poor when they don’t have to? Obviously, they wanted to tune the product so it enjoyable to the end user which they done a very good job at. Use a bit of common sense!


Orb

Common sense is a very expensive commodity around these places...
So it seems the ability to "Think Logically".
Come on folks;
Always check out Motives and/or agenda's in everything you read or hear!
Ask yourself the question:
Does this person have a "Financial Stake" in their Opinions--Hey guys it's just
a spin...

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by savyboy

The BMW warranty worries are groundless. All warranty is done by the dealer. Who pays, Dinan or BMW, is transparent to the car owner. It just is not an issue.

Is this documented anywhere on their site?

[x26]

Originally Posted by Amiro

Is this documented anywhere on their site?

Pick up the phone and call a BMW/Dinan certified shop!!
Dinan is far from a "Fly-by-night" , Back-alley operation...That is one of their best selling points.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by x26

Common sense is a very expensive commodity around these places...
So it seems the ability to "Think Logically".
Come on folks;
Always check out Motives and/or agenda's in everything you read or hear!
Ask yourself the question:
Does this person have a "Financial Stake" in their Opinions--Hey guys it's just
a spin...

Or better yet, just test-drive as many of the products as you can before making your decision. Comments from those who haven't done just this should be taken with a grain of salt. Users of any one particular product tend to be loyal to that particular product.

Shiv

[Bubbles]

I still trying to understand the appeal of tapping the pedal and jerking forward? Not to say this is what Procede does, but I find the Flash has power if you want with the ability to use your own judgment (foot pressure) to determine whether you would like power. I have somewhat grown tired of the constant Dinan bashing, Procede bashing ect. Either you can afford the flash or you can't. It seems the market for Dinan is for those who want to pay a bit more (~500-600) and don't care to tune. I don't take into account resale because surely there will be new products by the time any of us (assuming a 3 year holding period) switch cars. But I've been wrong before so who knows? The fact is no one knows this.

I agree with Shiv that you should (if you can) test drive all products, but with all due respect Shiv, how would you read Porsche Magazine's review of a M6? So you can see nobody here is impartial, but that is what makes producers/innovators (such as yourself) to work harder for the consumer to show value. Happy driving fellas.

[Kelvin1000]

I will try to be as objective as possible when my car returns with the Dinan flash tomorrow. I am really not a fanboy of any of these companies and yes I have driver cars with Proceed 1.47 (no V. 2.xx yet) and AA Xede and SSTT.

I think the fact that this car is forced induction makes the Dinan flash and the Piggybacks BOTH A STEAL. Seriously, on a non-turbo car, how much would it cost to get the types of gains we are seing? A lot more than 1,500 - 2,000 that's for sure! Everyone should be so lucky.

Let's face it: We don't NEED to buy these things, we do it to satisfy a WANT. There is nothing practical or logical about asking for more than 300HP/TQ from a daily driver...To each his own.

[Potty_Pants]

I understand some of us want to feel the car fast (myself included) opposed to the car being really fast... translated more power down low. Remeber its always a concern the wheels breaking loose and not getting a good bite. consider it torque control. I rather have 300hp and ramp up to 600 then 600hp at 1500 till red (with our current gearing).

I returned to the G37 boards and read headlines like "massive gains with XX mod", "replaced exhaust,intake major improvement". I opened the threads and found 5-15 hp noted. It's truely a moot point to harp on how expensive the dinan,shiv,etc mods are when the gains are much greater then NA mods.... now the Dinan oil cooler well /me tosses in water and lets the sharks get it.

Another tangent... It's intriguing how comming from a lot of other cars that were lightly modded , the dealers didnt care. I knew BMW was very different. Reading the multitude of posts of concerns regarding warranty coverage by bmw isn't cool. Now I understand if a mod causes a problem the customer should pay for it... however the strong arm tactics i read about from bmw or bmw dealers is overboard... "you replaced your battery, and now the cd is skipping... warranty denied" etc.

rant off have fun guys

ppp

[Doc E]

Originally Posted by x26

Pick up the phone and call a BMW/Dinan certified shop!!
Dinan is far from a "Fly-by-night" , Back-alley operation...That is one of their best selling points.

aha, so does this mean that your engine will be replaced by a Dinan certified shop only?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Bimmbo

aha, so does this mean that your engine will be replaced by a Dinan certified shop only?

I would just call Dinan and your dealer and ask they appropriate people.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Or better yet, just test-drive as many of the products as you can before making your decision. Comments from those who haven't done just this should be taken with a grain of salt. Users of any one particular product tend to be loyal to that particular product.

Shiv

I'd love to try this software, but it doesn't make any sense for me to spend the money on a flash that doesn't have any trial offer.
The question that I have is, "What if I don't like it, and I like the Procede better?"
Then I'll have to pay BMW to flash the stock software back on the car so I could stick the Procede back, and I'm out $2300 + $140 for the flash to stock.

If they had a money back gaurantee, then I would be in to trying it (and Dynoing it).

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I'd love to try this software, but it doesn't make any sense for me to spend the money on a flash that doesn't have any trial offer.
The question that I have is, "What if I don't like it, and I like the Procede better?"
Then I'll have to pay BMW to flash the stock software back on the car so I could stick the Procede back, and I'm out $2300 + $140 for the flash to stock.

If they had a money back gaurantee, then I would be in to trying it (and Dynoing it).

You have a great point, this was the issue I had before the flash (I wanted a trial offer, especially because there were very few reviews) and I actually told Eric @ Dinan I would request a refund if I was unsatisfied due to the product not meeting advertised claims, which is why I dyno'ed immediately. Needless to say I was satisfied. If I were you I would stick with the Procede if you are happy with it.

[ZBMW]

Kelvin 1000 said exactly what has been bothering me.
To go back a little. Eurotuner mag interviewed the chief engineer on the 335i project way back when and he confirmed that they had left a lot of performance untapped in the engine because they thought they had achieved a good combination of performance and comfort at the published ratings.
The most common thread I've been reading, regardless of upgrade used is that, power aside, the engine is smoother and more enjoyable to drive with increased boost pressures. Shiv, for one has worked hard to make his contribution more than just pure power and the response has been enthusiastic from his buyers.
Steve Dinan is one hell of an engineer and has done BMW proud for a long time. His contribution to the 335i seems to do much to make it not just more powerful but more driveable.
Maybe that's just the way it was meant to be!
There have been lots of concerns stated on this forum about overboost by these products and potential engine damage but no factual problems that I'm aware of.
I say this car and its engine are operating where they were designed to when tuning is applied and that fears of warranty problems are way overblown, (no pun intended) especially by the dealers.
However, this shouldn't encourage everyone to go out and beat the living crap out of them.

[Kelvin1000]

Originally Posted by ZBMW

Kelvin 1000 said exactly what has been bothering me.
To go back a little. Eurotuner mag interviewed the chief engineer on the 335i project way back when and he confirmed that they had left a lot of performance untapped in the engine because they thought they had achieved a good combination of performance and comfort at the published ratings.
The most common thread I've been reading, regardless of upgrade used is that, power aside, the engine is smoother and more enjoyable to drive with increased boost pressures. Shiv, for one has worked hard to make his contribution more than just pure power and the response has been enthusiastic from his buyers.
Steve Dinan is one hell of an engineer and has done BMW proud for a long time. His contribution to the 335i seems to do much to make it not just more powerful but more driveable.
Maybe that's just the way it was meant to be!
There have been lots of concerns stated on this forum about overboost by these products and potential engine damage but no factual problems that I'm aware of.
I say this car and its engine are operating where they were designed to when tuning is applied and that fears of warranty problems are way overblown, especially by the dealers.
However, this shouldn't encourage everyone to go out and beat the living crap out of them.

All very good points. In fact, the Dinan guys are usually very conservative in their power upgrades (because they have to honor the warranty). The mere fact that this flash gives you such a high increase in performance (compared to previous Dinan efforts) shows you just how much power BMW purposely left out of the N54 engine.

1 day to go until I get my car back!

[rideelement247]

Originally Posted by ZBMW

Kelvin 1000 said exactly what has been bothering me.
To go back a little. Eurotuner mag interviewed the chief engineer on the 335i project way back when and he confirmed that they had left a lot of performance untapped in the engine because they thought they had achieved a good combination of performance and comfort at the published ratings.
The most common thread I've been reading, regardless of upgrade used is that, power aside, the engine is smoother and more enjoyable to drive with increased boost pressures. Shiv, for one has worked hard to make his contribution more than just pure power and the response has been enthusiastic from his buyers.
Steve Dinan is one hell of an engineer and has done BMW proud for a long time. His contribution to the 335i seems to do much to make it not just more powerful but more driveable.
Maybe that's just the way it was meant to be!
There have been lots of concerns stated on this forum about overboost by these products and potential engine damage but no factual problems that I'm aware of.
I say this car and its engine are operating where they were designed to when tuning is applied and that fears of warranty problems are way overblown, especially by the dealers.
However, this shouldn't encourage everyone to go out and beat the living crap out of them.

+1

Couldn't have said it better myself.